Post # 1368 Ongoing Refutation 5/65
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...postcount=1368
Well, Carlitos, your attempt to help out with the claim there are "1000s of witnesses" to a plane hitting the South Tower has clearly failed, even though we have not yet fully completed the process of reviewing the 80something claims you posted up.
We have reviewed 65 of them, of which, only 5 count as statements. The next ten are as follows:
Scott Pasquini
Scott Pasquini had by now walked down toward Battery Park, along the river, and was standing in a crowd of people looking up at the North Tower when he heard a sound overhead and watched the second plane hit the other tower.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...8407-2001Sep15
The above is obvious hearsay and does not count as a reliable, verifiable witness.
Mike Penzer
About 9:03 a.m., as I was still looking north toward the Trade Center, I heard the very loud sound of a jet passenger plane flying very low behind me. I spun around and saw the plane directly above the Statue of Liberty and about to fly over our heads. Then, the plane avoided a high-rise just north of us and flew into the south side of the South Tower at about the 70th floor level. The huge plane disappeared into the even larger building, and a huge ball of flame and smoke erupted.
http://www.nabe.com/am2001/penzer.html
The above is written as a story, posted as a story (at a website for business economics) and so, therefore, must be treated like a story. It is not a valid witness statement.
Dominic Perella
Dominic Perella had just gotten home to Brooklyn after working the overnight shift at the Associated Press. He was getting ready for bed when his roommate shouted into his room, saying Perella must not have known what happened when he left work.
"We went onto the roof, which has a Manhattan view," Perella said. "We saw the second plane approach. I thought it was a rescue plane or something, and then it disappeared from sight."
http://www.cdalumni.org/news/vii1/No...c-attacks.html
Obvious hearsay and does not count as a reliable, verifiable witness.
PARAMEDIC JOEL PIERCE
...I watched eventually the second plane, I saw it. It looked like it was circling around south, then came back north, striking the south side of Tower No. 2.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110485.PDF
While the source is valid and the statement otherwise valid as a witness statement, it will not count because it describes a flight path completely at variance with what the common storyline demands. Plus, this witness was in Brooklyn when the event happened and is not considered to have been at a vantage point from where a reliable statement could be made.
Stanley Praimnath
As Praimnath enters his office, his phone is ringing. A friend from Chicago asks Praimnath if he heard about the north tower being hit. He assures her all is fine.
But all is not fine. It is 9:03 a.m. and United Airlines Flight 175 is staring him in the face.
"Suddenly I see this big gray airplane with red letters on the wing and tail filling my window," Praimnath says. "It’s coming right at me."
Praimnath drops the phone and tucks under his desk in a fetal position as the plane obliterates the wall. The impact is a prolonged, gut-wrenching screech, a hideous, metallic roar. "It sounded like a huge steel cage being ripped apart," Praimnath recalls...
http://stanleypraimnath.com/1.htm
Stanley Praimnath is famous for watching a jetliner explode all around him as he watched it smash through his window at 550mph +/-, and then disintegrate as it hit his desk, which desk saved him from being hit by the jetliner traveling as described. Right, Stanley.
David Reck
David Reck was handing out literature for a candidate for public advocate a few blocks away when he saw a jet come in "very low, and then it made a slight twist and dove into the building."
http://www.gallupindependent.com/1999-2001/9-11-01.html
More unreliable hearsay.
Andrea Refol
It was our 4-year-old Jordan's first day of pre-kindergarten. We left our house at 8:22 a.m.; I was on my way to a doctor's appointment, the radio was on, and we heard the news report. I had my first contraction. We were driving down Sackett Street in Brooklyn, and we watched the second plane make contact. My first thought was, Oh, my God, my appointment -- I'm supposed to have a baby!
http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/6...imonials/2.htm
A magazine story does not count as a witness statement as everyone surely knows by now.
Luigi Ribaudo
About 18 minutes later, Luigi Ribaudo -- who works nearby, in Tribeca -- heard a twin-engine plane making what he said was a strange noise. He looked up; he saw a plane that was "too low."
"It was going to hit something and it hit and exploded inside," he said.
http://www.esubjects.com/curric/gene...l_HardNews.pdf
More unreliable hearsay.
EMT Mercedes Rivera
"As I passed by St. Vincent's Hospital below 14th Street, Paul said, 'Wow. Look at that plane. It's pretty close.' I said, 'Jeez, you're right. Look at the size of that plane.' We watched that plane get closer; it flew over us, it went over the Hudson River, then we saw it make a tilt and go right into the South Tower. It was like science fiction.
Then we saw the explosion...
Women at Ground Zero, Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba
The above is part story and part statement. The story part is obvious. The statement part is: "Then we saw the explosion..."
This account is not a reliable witness account.
Police Officer J Rivero
At this time I heard a loud roar coming from the south I yelled 'Al look at this ****' the plane smashed into W.T.C. #2...
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-...-reports01.pdf
The above is technically not a report of a person seeing a plane crash. It is altered beyond reliability as a witness of a plane crash. All one has to do is read it.
