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[jammonius]

Jammonius:
Have you spoke directly to anyone at the Directed Energy Professional Society about your "theory?

OK, here's a question requesting information, legitimately phrased. I will answer as follows:

Of course I have spoken directly with someone at DEPS. And, I recommend you do the same. They are cordial and helpful, up to a point; and, they are all the moreso if you pay the dues and join. I will here be a bit more forthcoming. They did not say that DEW destroyed the WTC complex. I did ask them that question, more than once and in more than one way and via more than one person.

They also did not ever specifically deny that DEW destroyed the WTC complex, either. I consider my dealings with DEPS to be of an ongoing nature; however, I am not actively engaging with them right at this moment. I am working on a few initiatives that might be ready in the autumn of this year. I will post up on this as and when I can.

Let me also recommend that you take a look at their news magazine called Wave Front. I think you can still access that without joining and without having an SC.

Further in this respect, you may also want to contact the US Directed Energy Directorate at Kirtland AFB, Albuquerque NM. You will likewise find them helpful, up to a point.

You may also want to take a look at ARA's news magazine, simply called Waves.

Let me know if you have any other informational queries.

all the best

 

[tsig]

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Chillzero, in your view, can the use of secrecy classification be used to hide the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity, separate and apart from ordinary crimes, fraud and abuse?

best

I thought you didn't do "gotcha" questions.

 

[DGM]

Of course. And, I recommend you do the same. They are cordial and helpful, up to a point; and, they are all the moreso if you pay the dues and join.

Let me also recommend that you take a look at their news magazine called Wave Front. I think you can still access that without joining and without having an SC.

You may also want to take a look at ARA's news magazine, simply called Waves.

I will! Was there anyone in particular that you spoke to? Did you telephone or email them? I found the telephone to be best.

 

[jammonius]

Telephone is fine, but leaves you without a record of what transpired, absent recording such events. Email provides a documented record. If you email them, please consider redacting and posting up what you can. I have posted up some things from DEPS and from US DED, but it is difficult to do so without running afoul of posting rules. I've had some things taken down by mods. I don't think it appropriate to name names and so I will not do so.

I can tell you in advance of your asking that I am not going to post up proof of my correspondence with DEPS and/or US DED, so don't ask.

If you are interested in pursuing the topic of DEW, then, by all means, please do so.

 

[jammonius]

I thought you didn't do "gotcha" questions.

I don't and I the above is not a gotcha question. I have said, including very recently, that if someone asks a "what do you think" query, chances are I will reply. I did that with BigAl, for instance, who asked me "what did I think happened" to his friend Ed.

Here is my reply to BigAl when BigAl asked me, yesterday in another thread, what did I think happened to his friend Ed:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6188984&postcount=70

The phrase "in your view" which is the phraseology I used with Chillzero, is, of course, virtually synonomous with asking "what do you think."

You agree?

 

[DGM]

Telephone is fine, but leaves you without a record of what transpired, absent recording such events. Email provides a documented record. If you email them, please consider redacting and posting up what you can. I have posted up some things from DEPS and from US DED, but it is difficult to do so without running afoul of posting rules. I've had some things taken down by mods. I don't think it appropriate to name names and so I will not do so.

I can tell you in advance of your asking that I am not going to post up proof of my correspondence with DEPS and/or US DED, so don't ask.

If you are interested in pursuing the topic of DEW, then, by all means, please do so.

I don't recall you posting any emails from members. All you have to do is get permission from the sender. What did they say about the feasibility of a DEW vaporising a building from space?

That's the question I plan to ask R.D. McGinnis. He's published in the journal on tactical and high energy weapons.

 

[jammonius]

My work-mate Ed Felt was real, he wasn't a figment of anyone's imagination.

Jam, where is he now?

BigAl,

Come on. I answered you on your friend Ed just yesterday, remember?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6188984&postcount=70

 

[jammonius]

I don't recall you posting any emails from members. All you have to do is get permission from the sender.

I don't think it is as simple as that; and, in any event, what you suggest isn't all that simple and certainly nothing to be taken for granted. As I said, I will not be posting up such correspondence.

What did they say about the feasibility of a DEW vaporising a building from space?

You can ask any question you like. The question you pose is not one I would ask, not in that form, but it is not within my purview to tell you what to ask or how to ask it.

That's the question I plan to ask R.D. McGinnis. He's published in the journal on tactical and high energy weapons.

You can ask as you see fit.

 

[DGM]

I don't think it is as simple as that; and, in any event, what you suggest isn't all that simple and certainly nothing to be taken for granted. As I said, I will not be posting up such correspondence.

It really is that simple, just check the MA if your unsure. Why would you not want us to know what they said?

You can ask any question you like. The question you pose is not one I would ask, not in that form, but it is not within my purview to tell you what to ask or how to ask it.

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What exactly did you ask them?

 

[jammonius]

I don't recall you posting any emails from members. All you have to do is get permission from the sender. What did they say about the feasibility of a DEW vaporising a building from space?

That's the question I plan to ask R.D. McGinnis. He's published in the journal on tactical and high energy weapons.

Are you speaking about Capt. Roger D. McGinnis, who was, and may still be, director of the Navy’s directed energy and electric weapons program office?

If that is who you are speaking about, then, it is my understanding that McGinnis has been quoted as saying the following:

"...while the “lethality mechanisms” of high energy weapons are classified, “Our bottom line is that if we can put millions of joules of energy onto a target, something will happen.”

Source: http://www.navyleague.org/sea_power/may_04_10.php

I do hope your correspondence with McGinnis will be fruitful. It sounds to me like you may well be asking the right person.

Good luck

 

[DGM]

Are you speaking about Capt. Roger D. McGinnis, who was, and may still be, director of the Navy’s directed energy and electric weapons program office?

If that is who you are speaking about, then, it is my understanding that McGinnis has been quoted as saying the following:

"...while the “lethality mechanisms” of high energy weapons are classified, “Our bottom line is that if we can put millions of joules of energy onto a target, something will happen.”

Source: http://www.navyleague.org/sea_power/may_04_10.php

I do hope your correspondence with McGinnis will be fruitful. It sounds to me like you may well be asking the right person.

Good luck

I believe it is the same person.

I wouldn't get you hopes up for his support of your theory after reading this from the same interview.

In an interview with Sea Power, McGinnis described a variety of effects from these weapons, including “the burning and blinding of an optical system, or cutting an [airplane’s] wing off, or causing a fire that results in an explosion.”

Sounds like he's miles away from "dustifing" 3 buildings from space.

 

[excaza]

If that is who you are speaking about, then, it is my understanding that McGinnis has been quoted as saying the following:

"...while the “lethality mechanisms” of high energy weapons are classified, “Our bottom line is that if we can put millions of joules of energy onto a target, something will happen.”

Source: http://www.navyleague.org/sea_power/may_04_10.php

Well, duh.

Now there's the pesky thing of actually generating enough electricity to power a laser strong enough to level buildings from space.

 

[jammonius]

It really is that simple, just check the MA if your unsure. Why would you not want us to know what they said?

DGM, wait. Are you going to persist in this? Will you not accept what I have said about what I will or will not post up, or not?

What exactly did you ask them?

If you put it that way, you're beginning to go down the track of wanting to conduct an inquisition on the matter. I have already said I'm not going to post up correspondence. I have also already said that I asked them, in substance, whether DEW destroyed the WTC complex. I have also already said they did not answer directly and did not deny it either.

And, there is nothing surprising about their not having answered by saying "yes, DEW destroyed the WTC complex." I did not expect an answer like that for reasons that I think are obvious. But, in that respect, I will say this, if you do not know why it is obvious that DEPs would not say "yes, dew destroyed the WTC complex" then let me know and I will elaborate.

What I think is interesting and telling, however, is that they did not deny the claim either.

Do you think it interesting the persons I communicated with did not deny it?

Here's something else I can add. In your dealings with deps, I suggest you request a copy of the following document that they publish:

 

[DGM]

DGM, wait. Are you going to persist in this? Will you not accept what I have said about what I will or will not post up, or not?



If you put it that way, you're beginning to go down the track of wanting to conduct an inquisition on the matter. I have already said I'm not going to post up correspondence. I have also already said that I asked them, in substance, whether DEW destroyed the WTC complex. I have also already said they did not answer directly and did not deny it either.

And, there is nothing surprising about their not having answered by saying "yes, DEW destroyed the WTC complex." I did not expect an answer like that for reasons that I think are obvious. But, in that respect, I will say this, if you do not know why it is obvious that DEPs would not say "yes, dew destroyed the WTC complex" then let me know and I will elaborate.

What I think is interesting and telling, however, is that they did not deny the claim either.

Do you think it interesting the persons I communicated with did not deny it?

Here's something else I can add. In your dealings with deps, I suggest you request a copy of the following document that they publish:

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You didn't actually contact them personally, did you? (remember "truthers" are supposed to be truthful)

 

[carlitos]

Here is a magazine that I recommend reading

If you want the real truth:

 

[jammonius]

You didn't actually contact them personally, did you? (remember "truthers" are supposed to be truthful)

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DGM,

Darned if it doesn't appear that you are aiming to play "gotcha." That is really, really bad news as it means you and I aren't likely to be able to continue in dialogue on this matter.

I suggest you retract the above. If you do not do so, then further discussion with you by me will be curtailed. Perhaps that is what you want. That is what you will get if you do not retract the post and the claim to which this replies.

I would not ever treat you that way.

all the best

 

[carlitos]

And another document to review:

This one might be even more appropriate.

 

[DGM]

Jammonius:
I'm not going to ask this guy if he thinks the trade towers were destroyed by DEW. That's stupid and he'll think I'm a loon. I will however ask about the amount of energy required to vaporise thick steel (such as a tank or war ship). From this we maybe could get some useful information.

 

[excaza]

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DGM,

Darned if it doesn't appear that you are aiming to play "gotcha." That is really, really bad news as it means you and I aren't likely to be able to continue in dialogue on this matter.

I suggest you retract the above. If you do not do so, then further discussion with you by me will be curtailed. Perhaps that is what you want. That is what you will get if you do not retract the post and the claim to which this replies.

I would not ever treat you that way.

all the best

Why are you so afraid of posting your correspondence? If you don't want everyone to think you're lying, post it. It's really not that difficult.

 

[DGM]

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DGM,

Darned if it doesn't appear that you are aiming to play "gotcha." That is really, really bad news as it means you and I aren't likely to be able to continue in dialogue on this matter.

I suggest you retract the above. If you do not do so, then further discussion with you by me will be curtailed. Perhaps that is what you want. That is what you will get if you do not retract the post and the claim to which this replies.

I would not ever treat you that way.

all the best

Well then so be it!

Why did you ask me to post what I received?