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By the way, just to tie up this issue, here is some information into how the state police are organised in Italy. It shows clearly that the Postal Plice division has very specific responsibilities, and these don;t extend to the investigation of burglary or murder.

http://www.poliziadistato.it/articolo/966-Investigations

Also, to reiterate, the Carabinieri is a totally separate military-style police force. Here's some information on them for those who didn't realise the difference between the Carabinieri and the State police (including, it seems, "Alt+F4"):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arma_dei_Carabinieri
LondonJohn, the Postal Police were involved for only a brief period whilst awaiting the Carabineiri, and during the investigations into communications devices. The crime scene was quickly taken over by the Flying Squad as well as the forensic investigators from Rome.

Fine,

This is not as complicated as you are making it. Dr. Giobbi gave the order to bring them both in, according to his testimony at the trial (see Perugia-Shock). Perhaps the police failed to make this clear when they spoke to Raffaele, or perhaps he did not understand them, but in either case Amanda was not made aware that she was also expected. However, the police subsequently claimed that Amanda showed up unexpectedly, as Frank Sfarzo reported. The police claim is a lie:

“Edgardo Giobbi isn't covering her [Rita Ficarra] anymore. As we know, indeed, the troubles of Amanda started with the fact that she went to the police station when the call was only for Raffaele. According to Rita, according to Monica, according to Lorena Zugarini. Well, it wasn't true. Giobbi, chief of Direzione Centrale Anticrimine of Rome, said today in court that on the evening of the 5th he gave the order to bring Amanda and Raffaele together at the police station. Remember how many times Amanda was rebuked for having gone when she wasn't supposed to?”

To argue that the police were not lying, one would have to assume that they were unaware of Dr. Giobbi’s order, and this argument would make no sense.
To argue they were both called in when clearly they were not is intentionally misleading. Despite whatever Giobbi might have said it didn't go down that way. Amanda clearly replied when asked if she had been called in too, "No".

The Italian police were constantly lying to the press. Here is another one of their lies that has been exposed:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-fourth-suspect-in-kercher-murder-758731.html
Investigators say Mr Guede left Perugia on the morning after the murder and went to Milan, where he was stopped by police but not detained. Detectives locked on to his mobile phone signal in Milan as recently as this weekend, but it then went dead. Amanda Knox made at least two calls to his number, one of them at 11am on 2 November, around the time police discovered Kercher's body.​
That is the first time I ever read that so it must have been discounted immediately and never repeated. This was not spread around by any other news outlets as I'm sure it would have been had it a shred of truth in it. Rudy did not have a cell phone and Amanda didn't call it. Perhaps this is why Popham stopped reporting on the case.
 
LondonJohn, the Postal Police were involved for only a brief period whilst awaiting the Carabineiri, and during the investigations into communications devices. The crime scene was quickly taken over by the Flying Squad as well as the forensic investigators from Rome.


To argue they were both called in when clearly they were not is intentionally misleading. Despite whatever Giobbi might have said it didn't go down that way. Amanda clearly replied when asked if she had been called in too, "No".


That is the first time I ever read that so it must have been discounted immediately and never repeated. This was not spread around by any other news outlets as I'm sure it would have been had it a shred of truth in it. Rudy did not have a cell phone and Amanda didn't call it. Perhaps this is why Popham stopped reporting on the case.
Hmm, Danceme, so that means Edgardo Giobbi, chief of Direzione Centrale Anticrimine of Rome, who testified in court that on the evening of the 5th he gave the order to bring Amanda and Raffaele together to the police station, committed perjury while on the stand?
 
That is the first time I ever read that so it must have been discounted immediately and never repeated. This was not spread around by any other news outlets as I'm sure it would have been had it a shred of truth in it. Rudy did not have a cell phone and Amanda didn't call it. Perhaps this is why Popham stopped reporting on the case.

I saw mention today that a bleach receipt was found at Raffaele's apartment showing a purchase on Nov 4th, 2007. Yet it was never mentioned in trial that I have seen nor is it referred to in the Massei report or the Micheli report, nor is it covered in the appeals. It seems it is in Barbie's book, so it is still being repeated as if it were true and still being "spread" it would seem.
 
Well, here's what Amanda said in her court testimony:

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"CP [Carlo Pacelli, Patrick's attorney]: For what reason did you go to the Questura on November 5? Were you called?

AK [Amanda Knox]: No, I wasn't called. I went with Raffaele because I didn't want to be
alone." (Translation courtesy of Thoughtful, PMF> Board Index> InTheirOwn Words> Amanda Knox)
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So Amanda clearly wasn't "called" to the police station the night of November 5th. But nonetheless, according to Halides, she had been "summoned" to the police station? Umm, OK, but I understand a summons as a request to be present. Maybe someone will kindly explain this apparent absurdity.

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Just because she went to the Police Station with Sollecito on her own free will, doesn't mean she wasn't summoned. You dont have to be somewhere other than the Police Station to be summoned for interrogation. The fact that she was being interrogated and was a suspect from day 1 means she was being summoned everytime she went into that interrogation room.
Yes the police didn't call her to the police station. However, they did call her for interrogation.
Yes the police didn't summon her to the police station. However, they did summon her for interrogation.

Its obvious from reading these posts some people dont distinguish the possible different meanings/actions of the 2 words. Thats one of the many problems with this case. The prosecution has been playing word games since day 1. They ask open ended questions that have multiple meanings using the same words.
They ask her if the police called her to the police station. Amanda answers with the TRUTH that she went with Sollecito. What is left unsaid is the police summoned her to the interrogation room to question her as a suspect while she was already at the police station.
Just like the phone call that Amanda made to her mother. They asked her if she called her mother at Midday BEFORE she talked to filomena and noticed the broken window. When she responds she dont remember, they jump her for lying because they have proof she spoke to her mother around midday. They are playing word games here because she didn't speak with her mother until AFTER she CALLED Filomena. What happens if she responds with a YES? Well the prosecution was hoping Amanda would say yes so they can try and show that she knew about the murder before calling the police. So instead they call her a liar in court for telling the truth.
 
resign or be checkmated

To argue they were both called in when clearly they were not is intentionally misleading. Despite whatever Giobbi might have said it didn't go down that way. Amanda clearly replied when asked if she had been called in too, "No".

Danceme,

I do not wish to comment on your intentions, but your argument has no force. All Amanda’s testimony means is that Raffaele, who took the call from the police on 5 November, did not tell her that she was supposed to come in. Either the police failed to tell him, or he failed to tell her. In either case it in no way negates that Dr. Giobbi did summon them, according to his sworn testimony.

Let’s get back to the genesis of this discussion. Bucketoftee asked for evidence that the police lied. I pointed to the false police claims, and I used Frank Sfarzo’s blog to identify three police officers who said that Amanda was not summoned, assertions that are flatly contradicted by Dr. Giobbi. And now I think it is time for you, fine, and bucketoftee to set down your king on this issue.
 
Regarding the question that came up previously about whether Stefanoni treated the knife differently than some of the other evidence. The answer to that question would be a youbetcha. From Amanda's appeal pages 61/62:



It is very clear that Stefanoni regarded this piece of evidence as very important in terms of the prosecution's case and went the extra 99 miles to find something, even if it was done without following normal standards, protocols, and guidelines. All this other evidence was not "useful" or "suitable" for further testing, yet the knife was.

One of the arguments of those who believe unconditionally in Knox and Sollecito's guilt is this: how can anyone simultaneously accept - uncritically - the DNA evidence against Guede, yet question the validity of the DNA evidence against Knox and/or Sollecito and the kitchen knife? After all, the DNA testing was all conducted at the same laboratory by the same person etc etc.

The answer to this alleged conundrum is twofold: context, and volume.

Context:
Firstly, Guede's DNA should not have been in the girls' house at all, since he had no innocent reason for it being there. However, if his DNA had been only found in the bathroom or the lounge, he might have been able to explain it away innocently. Unfortunately for Guede, though, his DNA was also found inside the body of the murder victim, upon her handbag (purse), and on her sweatshirt. This multiple presence of his DNA in very incriminating places points heavily towards culpability.

Conversely, the presence of Knox's DNA inside the house where she lived is hardly incriminating. The so called "mixed DNA" samples recovered from the small bathroom are questionable, since they were not compared with reference samples (e.g. from elsewhere on the sink/bidet tap or plughole), to see whether Knox's background DNA was also present there. There was no Knox DNA found inside the murder room or upon the victim's body or clothing.

Sollecito had only been to the girls' house a small number of times, so clearly there was less chance of his DNA being there via an innocent route than with Knox, but still far more chance than with Guede. In fact, his DNA was only located in two places in the girls' house: on a cigarette butt in the lounge, and on the clasp of the victim's bra. But this leads on the the second factor.....

Volume:
Guede's multiple incriminating deposits of DNA were found in relatively large volumes, and could all be detected by standard PCR testing procedures (with which the DNA lab and the tester were both familiar and competent).

Knox's DNA was found in low levels (but still within standard PCR ranges) in the bathroom swabs - but, as discussed above, the police failed to check whether Knox's DNA was present in these low levels elsewhere on likely surfaces in the bathroom which she used daily.

Sollecito's single incriminating deposit of DNA was only found in very small levels on the bra clasp (levels which fall below the threshold for LCN classification). So, arguably, the laboratory was not properly qualified to test at these low levels (which require special air-handling facilities and extremely high levels of sterility).

And, of course, the incriminating DNA of the murder victim identified on the blade of the kitchen knife was deeply within LCN territory, so the lab was certainly unqualified to conduct testing and verification of such minute levels of DNA matter.


So this is why the DNA evidence against Guede has validity: his DNA shouldn't have been anywhere in the girls' house, let alone in several places in the murder room, upon the murder victim's clothing and belongings, and inside the murder victim herself. And his DNA was apparently present in relatively significant quantities, meaning that the testing procedures can be assumed to be relatively accurate and reliable.
 
Danceme,

I do not wish to comment on your intentions, but your argument has no force. All Amanda’s testimony means is that Raffaele, who took the call from the police on 5 November, did not tell her that she was supposed to come in. Either the police failed to tell him, or he failed to tell her. In either case it in no way negates that Dr. Giobbi did summon them, according to his sworn testimony.


The claim that Amanda was not summoned is being used in the same way as the frequent argument that Amanda participated in the interrogation of her own free will, i.e., that she was not under arrest and was free to leave the police station at any time. Both claims imply that Amanda was fully responsible for getting herself into these situations, but that is not the case.

The police did not have to summon Amanda verbally, because they knew she would come with Raffaele. They relied on Amanda's eagerness to help (or her fear of being alone) as a means of obtaining her presence at the police station. They were fully aware of what Amanda's understanding was of her own role. If, unexpectedly, she had declined to accompany Raffaele, then she would have been summoned "officially."

Did Amanda have the power to say no to the interrogation and simply walk out, before or during? Imagine what would have happened if she had tried. Somehow, she "understood" she had to allow the police to interrogate her, just as she "understood" that the only way out of being abused was to say what they wanted her to say. Amanda's perceptions of her own power and autonomy were that they were limited; the police took full advantage of that reality.

The ethical thing to do would have been to advise Amanda and Raffaele that the interrogations of the night of the 5th-6th were going to be horses of a different color, and that they might consider saying no to them until they had a chance to obtain attorneys. Amanda and Raffaele were not acting freely as long as they did not know they had the right to say no.
 
One of the arguments of those who believe unconditionally in Knox and Sollecito's guilt is this: how can anyone simultaneously accept - uncritically - the DNA evidence against Guede, yet question the validity of the DNA evidence against Knox and/or Sollecito and the kitchen knife? After all, the DNA testing was all conducted at the same laboratory by the same person etc etc.

The answer to this alleged conundrum is twofold: context, and volume.

Context:
Firstly, Guede's DNA should not have been in the girls' house at all, since he had no innocent reason for it being there. However, if his DNA had been only found in the bathroom or the lounge, he might have been able to explain it away innocently. Unfortunately for Guede, though, his DNA was also found inside the body of the murder victim, upon her handbag (purse), and on her sweatshirt. This multiple presence of his DNA in very incriminating places points heavily towards culpability.

Conversely, the presence of Knox's DNA inside the house where she lived is hardly incriminating. The so called "mixed DNA" samples recovered from the small bathroom are questionable, since they were not compared with reference samples (e.g. from elsewhere on the sink/bidet tap or plughole), to see whether Knox's background DNA was also present there. There was no Knox DNA found inside the murder room or upon the victim's body or clothing.

Sollecito had only been to the girls' house a small number of times, so clearly there was less chance of his DNA being there via an innocent route than with Knox, but still far more chance than with Guede. In fact, his DNA was only located in two places in the girls' house: on a cigarette butt in the lounge, and on the clasp of the victim's bra. But this leads on the the second factor.....

Volume:
Guede's multiple incriminating deposits of DNA were found in relatively large volumes, and could all be detected by standard PCR testing procedures (with which the DNA lab and the tester were both familiar and competent).

Knox's DNA was found in low levels (but still within standard PCR ranges) in the bathroom swabs - but, as discussed above, the police failed to check whether Knox's DNA was present in these low levels elsewhere on likely surfaces in the bathroom which she used daily.

Sollecito's single incriminating deposit of DNA was only found in very small levels on the bra clasp (levels which fall below the threshold for LCN classification). So, arguably, the laboratory was not properly qualified to test at these low levels (which require special air-handling facilities and extremely high levels of sterility).

And, of course, the incriminating DNA of the murder victim identified on the blade of the kitchen knife was deeply within LCN territory, so the lab was certainly unqualified to conduct testing and verification of such minute levels of DNA matter.


So this is why the DNA evidence against Guede has validity: his DNA shouldn't have been anywhere in the girls' house, let alone in several places in the murder room, upon the murder victim's clothing and belongings, and inside the murder victim herself. And his DNA was apparently present in relatively significant quantities, meaning that the testing procedures can be assumed to be relatively accurate and reliable.

Yes, I've seen that argument as well, on here before actually, that if the evidence against Amanda and Raf is flawed then that against Guede must be as well and you have to throw everything out. It's a silly game, made up of completely arbitrary rules. So I agree with your post wholeheartedly.

A question though about the DNA evidence against Raf and Amanda vs Guede's: Am I right in assuming that the DNA discovered belonging to Guede was actually found in samples of some sort of bodily substance (i.e. blood, saliva, fingerprints), whereas Raf's DNA on the bra clasp and Meredith's DNA on the knife were not clear substances of anything (but rather invisible traces found simply because the objects themselves were tested, if that makes sense)?
 
LondonJohn, the Postal Police were involved for only a brief period whilst awaiting the Carabineiri, and during the investigations into communications devices. The crime scene was quickly taken over by the Flying Squad as well as the forensic investigators from Rome.

Danceme, the Carabinieri were not involved in the investigation of this crime. The police element was entirely from within the State Police. Even though Sollecito called the Carabinieri, I understand that the convention is that the first police force to arrive is the one that conducts the investigation. There is, by all accounts, a significant degree of professional rivalry between the State Police and the Carabinieri, especially in the area of major crimes.

So, since the State Police were the first to turn up (in the form of the Postal Police subdivision), it was the State Police who conducted the whole investigation. The Flying Squad is a division of the State Police, not the Carabinieri. Giobbi was from the State Police's central command in Rome, and the forensics teams were also part of the State Police.

And this is even more reason why the Postal Police officers should have called in their own more appropriate State Police colleagues as soon as they were informed that this was no longer an investigation into abandoned mobile phones, but instead it was a potential burglary and possible serious crime scenario. And this is the most likely reason why the Postal Police officer Battistelli became evasive about just how much he had interfered with the crime scene, especially in the murder room itself. He almost certainly knew that he had far exceeded his remit.
 
One of the arguments of those who believe unconditionally in Knox and Sollecito's guilt is this: how can anyone simultaneously accept - uncritically - the DNA evidence against Guede, yet question the validity of the DNA evidence against Knox and/or Sollecito and the kitchen knife? After all, the DNA testing was all conducted at the same laboratory by the same person etc etc.

I'd add that there is a huge difference between challenging a result and challenging the meaning of a result.

Finding Amanda's DNA in the same sample as Meredith's blood is meaningless, because control samples were not taken. Finding Amanda's DNA on the handle of the alleged murder weapon is meaningless because she could perfectly well have handled that knife for innocent reasons.

Those results weren't necessarily wrong, but the prosecutions's interpretation of what those results meant was clearly wrong. Some guilters try to enforce a false dichotomy where you have to either accept every result and every interpretation put forward by the prosecution hook, line and sinker, or you have to reject absolutely all DNA evidence. Needless to say this position is deeply irrational, because some of the prosecution's conclusions (e.g. Amanda's DNA on the knife handle being evidence) are just cuckoo and even the smarter guilters don't buy them.

They also seem to find it inherently inconceivable that a bent forensics officer might only cheat some of the time, as opposed to all of the time. I have no words for the strangeness and foolishness of this idea.
 
Hmm, Danceme, so that means Edgardo Giobbi, chief of Direzione Centrale Anticrimine of Rome, who testified in court that on the evening of the 5th he gave the order to bring Amanda and Raffaele together to the police station, committed perjury while on the stand?

Danceme,

I do not wish to comment on your intentions, but your argument has no force. All Amanda’s testimony means is that Raffaele, who took the call from the police on 5 November, did not tell her that she was supposed to come in. Either the police failed to tell him, or he failed to tell her. In either case it in no way negates that Dr. Giobbi did summon them, according to his sworn testimony.

Let’s get back to the genesis of this discussion. Bucketoftee asked for evidence that the police lied. I pointed to the false police claims, and I used Frank Sfarzo’s blog to identify three police officers who said that Amanda was not summoned, assertions that are flatly contradicted by Dr. Giobbi. And now I think it is time for you, fine, and bucketoftee to set down your king on this issue.

The police did not have to summon Amanda verbally, because they knew she would come with Raffaele. They relied on Amanda's eagerness to help (or her fear of being alone) as a means of obtaining her presence at the police station. They were fully aware of what Amanda's understanding was of her own role. If, unexpectedly, she had declined to accompany Raffaele, then she would have been summoned "officially." [/QUO
Amanda was not summoned. She made this clear. Giobbi did not lie on the stand. He said he gave a directive to have them both brought in together. It just didn't happen that way that night according to everyone but you guys. They summoned Rafaelle. They did not summon Amanda. It doesn't matter if you think Rafaelle was supposed to tell her or not. That's just your opinion and supposition. Amanda said she wasn't told to come in, so that means she wasn't summoned. I can't believe all these arguments based on your own opinions. Prove Rafaelle was supposed to tell her.

Danceme, the Carabinieri were not involved in the investigation of this crime. The police element was entirely from within the State Police. Even though Sollecito called the Carabinieri, I understand that the convention is that the first police force to arrive is the one that conducts the investigation. There is, by all accounts, a significant degree of professional rivalry between the State Police and the Carabinieri, especially in the area of major crimes.

So, since the State Police were the first to turn up (in the form of the Postal Police subdivision), it was the State Police who conducted the whole investigation. The Flying Squad is a division of the State Police, not the Carabinieri. Giobbi was from the State Police's central command in Rome, and the forensics teams were also part of the State Police.

And this is even more reason why the Postal Police officers should have called in their own more appropriate State Police colleagues as soon as they were informed that this was no longer an investigation into abandoned mobile phones, but instead it was a potential burglary and possible serious crime scenario. And this is the most likely reason why the Postal Police officer Battistelli became evasive about just how much he had interfered with the crime scene, especially in the murder room itself. He almost certainly knew that he had far exceeded his remit.
LondonJohn, I did not say the Carabineiri were investigating the crime. I said the Postal Police were only there waiting for them, because Rafaelle called them, remember. As soon as the body was found the Flying Squad, yes of the state police and not the Carabineiri, took over. Bartolozzi called them in immediately.
 
Even though Sollecito called the Carabinieri, I understand that the convention is that the first police force to arrive is the one that conducts the investigation.

Sollecito's phone records show he called 112. From what I understand, that is the standard Italian emergency number, not the Carabinieri.
 
One more point, the Flying Squad are described by Paul Russell as "like their namesake in the UK, a fast response team of elite detectives with wide-ranging skills and a general remit, flipping between serious cases such as murders and armed robberies with professional ease". It was they, not the Postal Police who commandeered the investigation.
 
I saw mention today that a bleach receipt was found at Raffaele's apartment showing a purchase on Nov 4th, 2007. Yet it was never mentioned in trial that I have seen nor is it referred to in the Massei report or the Micheli report, nor is it covered in the appeals. It seems it is in Barbie's book, so it is still being repeated as if it were true and still being "spread" it would seem.

It certainly never came up during the trial, nor is it in any of the evidence files I have seen.

The original bleach receipt story was by Richard Owen, who reported as follows:

Police said that further evidence against Mr Sollecito had come to light in the form of receipts from a shop near his flat for bleach, bought on the morning after the murder and allegedly used to clean an 8in kitchen knife and Mr Sollecito’s Nike trainers. The first receipt was timed at 8.30am on November 2, and the second 45 minutes later, suggesting that the first container of bleach had not been sufficient. The bleach was also used to clean up the flat itself.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2894139.ece

Barbie says it was on Nov. 4, but either way, it's a lie. The police found two one-liter bottles of bleach at Sollecito's apartment. One was full, and the other was open and more than half full. Sollecito's former cleaning lady testified that he purchased the bleach at her request before she went on maternity leave in Sept. 2007, and her recollection was that she left the bottles in the same condition the police found them in - one partly used, the other never opened.
 
.....And this is the most likely reason why the Postal Police officer Battistelli became evasive about just how much he had interfered with the crime scene, especially in the murder room itself. He almost certainly knew that he had far exceeded his remit.

I also have a suspicion that Battistelli and his colleage had taken an ad hoc break (IOW "skived off" for half an hour for an espresso and a smoke, perhaps something they were accustomed to doing) on the way to the cottage, time they never expected they would have to account for.

So instead of coming clean, Battistelli casually lied about the time they arrived without thinking twice, and was then trapped in a lie which led to so much "controversy" about RS's call to the police.

Thanks, officer.
 
I also have a suspicion that Battistelli and his colleage had taken an ad hoc break (IOW "skived off" for half an hour for an espresso and a smoke, perhaps something they were accustomed to doing) on the way to the cottage, time they never expected they would have to account for.

So instead of coming clean, Battistelli casually lied about the time they arrived without thinking twice, and was then trapped in a lie which led to so much "controversy" about RS's call to the police.

Thanks, officer.

That is an extremely copious dose of personal supposition intended to prop up an opinion at the expense of any sort of reality or reasonable truth. It has its only basis in the belief in a conspiracy where seasoned officers are so afraid to say they went for a coffee that they let a lie proceed that results in two innocent people going to prison for a horrific murder. Come on.
 
LondonJohn, I did not say the Carabineiri were investigating the crime. I said the Postal Police were only there waiting for them, because Rafaelle called them, remember. As soon as the body was found the Flying Squad, yes of the state police and not the Carabineiri, took over. Bartolozzi called them in immediately.

But Battistelli* should have called in other colleagues as soon as he was informed of the possible burglary. This information immediately moved events strictly beyond his very specialised remit. And he certainly should have called in the relevant colleagues well before the door was broken down, since this demonstrated that he suspected that a serious crime may have been committed on the other side of that door. And he certainly should not have entered either Meredith's room or Filomena's room - these were actual and potential scenes of crime, and he should have known the strict importance of preserving them for proper analysis by specialist Scene of Crime officers.

* I assume it was Battistelli that you were referring to when you wrote "Bartolozzi". Kate Bush fan?
 
I also have a suspicion that Battistelli and his colleage had taken an ad hoc break (IOW "skived off" for half an hour for an espresso and a smoke, perhaps something they were accustomed to doing) on the way to the cottage, time they never expected they would have to account for.

So instead of coming clean, Battistelli casually lied about the time they arrived without thinking twice, and was then trapped in a lie which led to so much "controversy" about RS's call to the police.

Thanks, officer.

It certainly seems hard to explain how they took the best part of an hour to travel from the Police HQ to the girls' house, even taking into account their having got lost (although the police "getting lost" finding an address in 2007, in the age of electronic maps and satnavs, doesn't exactly fill one with confidence.....).
 
Three police officers rebuked Amanda

Amanda was not summoned. She made this clear. Giobbi did not lie on the stand. He said he gave a directive to have them both brought in together. It just didn't happen that way that night according to everyone but you guys. They summoned Rafaelle. They did not summon Amanda. It doesn't matter if you think Rafaelle was supposed to tell her or not. That's just your opinion and supposition. Amanda said she wasn't told to come in, so that means she wasn't summoned. I can't believe all these arguments based on your own opinions. Prove Rafaelle was supposed to tell her.

Danceme,

You are trying to change the subject. The issue is not what Raffaele did or did not say to Amanda; the issue is what the police knew about Dr. Giobbi’s order and what they said later. Dr. Giobbi said he was mathematically sure that he gave the order to bring them both in. Therefore, we can be certain that some police officers knew of this order. Yet at least three of them rebuked Amanda for coming in on her own, according to Frank Sfarzo. Are you saying that these three officers were not duplicitous? If so, then how would you explain their rebukes to Amanda? That they did not know of Dr. Giobbi’s order, when he was at the police station that night? Frankly, I find that difficult to believe.
 
One more point, the Flying Squad are described by Paul Russell as "like their namesake in the UK, a fast response team of elite detectives with wide-ranging skills and a general remit, flipping between serious cases such as murders and armed robberies with professional ease". It was they, not the Postal Police who commandeered the investigation.

"Elite"
"Professional"

These are certainly words which come easily to mind when examining the work done by the Perugia Flying Squad in this investigation. Misidentifying important shoe prints; destroying computer hard drives; leaving significant pieces of physical evidence at the crime scene for weeks (during which time they were moved around and mixed in with other articles); taking cigarette breaks outside the house, where there may have been important evidence; conducting middle-of-the-night "witness" interviews; "forgetting" to record these interviews; wiretapping and eavesdropping upon people who were apparently merely "witnesses"; conducting a self-congratulatory drive-through parade through Perugia; descending upon Lumumba's house in an aggressive and physically-abusive dawn arrest mission...........

Yep, these all sound like the hallmarks of an "elite" and "professional" outfit to me.
 
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