Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

[jammonius]

It's true I seem to have made a mistake with the passenger numbers on Flight 175.

When I first began to look into the subject, this source HERE is the first I studied. I know I should have double-checked the number but I'll hold my hands up and say sorry for the slip.

I'll adjust any further posts accordingly.

Adjustment of your subsequent posts is all that is necessary. Keep up the good posting.

It is worthy to note that jammonius makes no attempt to refute the more significant facts that are presented in these posts. Instead concentrating on minor errors and typo's. This is the typical MO of the truther. Nit-pick like a scabby monk, find a piddling anomaly then run like the clappers with it.

Your quoted claim is unfortunate. I did not nit-pick. You will notice that I directed my observation as much, if not more, towards the posters in the thread who support the common storyline of 9/11. My wonderment was that those who hold onto the common storyline for dear life on the one hand did not catch your oft repeated error, on the other.

Generally, when something is set up on the basis of being sacrosanct and of being an article of unquestionable, divinely revealed truth, people are very meticulous in guarding such articles of faith. Your cohorts failed you in this instance.

I will make no further mention of what you acknowledge was an error. I will only say that you may want to rethink whether it is appropriate under the circumstances for you to continue to use the word "immutable" in your closing mantra, but that, of course, is ultimately up to you.

The facts that are immutable are there for all to see. That these people all flew on Flight 175 on 9/11. Have never been seen alive since, are mourned by family and friends. The unassailable reason is that they all died when the jet crashed into that tower. No-planers cannot counter the base arguments held within. They are stymied by the intellectual brick-wall they slam into here.

Your posting series has next to nothing to do with reason, Compus. Instead, you are making an emotional appeal, the subtext of which is that one is being disrespectful to victims by challenging the common storyline of 9/11.

I am a bit surprised here at your disengenuity, coming, as it does, in a context where you are having to acknowledge a mistake. I here submit that you err further when you are less than forthright about the nature of your posts.

Look, this is elementary, Compus. You cannot use testimonials, memorials and eulogies to prove a plane crashed or that those who are missing and presumed dead died in a plane crash.

It is unreasonable for you to assert otherwise. You may use a memorial or a testimonial or a eulogy to prove a funeral took place, or a memorial service occurred, or a eulogy was published in a propaganda website. That is what you may use the type of information you have been posting for.

A further use we might make of it, however, consists in knowing the age and relative physical stature of the passengers and crew. Once we have all of that information in place, we will then be able to do additional assessments that are forensic in nature.

Once again, keep up the good posting.

What is of great satisfaction to me is my initial instinct about jammonius' reaction to my postings (about the passengers) was correct. Having been played out plenty of rope, jammonius is slowly stringing himself up.

Compus

I have already described what you are doing, Compus, and why you are doing it. Let me know if you disagree with my claims.

 

[BigAl]

Adjustment of your subsequent posts is all that is necessary. Keep up the good posting.



Your quoted claim is unfortunate. I did not nit-pick. You will notice that I directed my observation as much, if not more, towards the posters in the thread who support the common storyline of 9/11. My wonderment was that those who hold onto the common storyline for dear life on the one hand did not catch your oft repeated error, on the other.

Generally, when something is set up on the basis of being sacrosanct

The memory of my work-mate Ed is sacrosanct.

Jam, where is he now?

 

[TheRedWorm]

What happened to Ed Felt? If you are going to dodge, handwave, or post a metric ton of word salad, just don't post.

20 words or less, what happened to Ed Felt?

 

[jammonius]

I have added in the age information for the alleged crew and for the alleged passengers posted up thus far by Compus.

The average age of the 9 crew members is 37.

Here is the information:

Passengers:
Hanson's seated in 19C,D,E 3/51 Ages: 21/2, ____, _____
Avraham, 22G 4/51 Age: 30
Bailey, 6F 5/51 Age: 54
Bavis, 19F 6/51 Age: 31
Berkeley, 6B 7/51 Age: 37
Bolourchi, 15C 8/51 Age: 69
Brandhurst, Gamboa, Gamboa-Brandhurst 8A,B,C 11/51 Ages: 41, 33, 3
Cahill, 6E 12/51 Age: 57
Carstanjen, 20A 13/51 Age: 33
Corcoran, 21G 14/51 Age: 43

Crew:
Saracini-pilot 1/9 Age: 51
Horrocks-first officer 2/9 Age: 38
Fangman-flight attendant 3/9 Age: 33
Jarret-flight attendant 4/9 Age: 28
King-flight attendant 5/9 Age: 29
Tarrou-flight attendant 6/9 Age: 38
Laborie-flight attendant 7/9 Age 44
Marchand-flight attendant 8/9 Age: 44
Titus-flight attendant 9/9 Age: 28

Average age of crew = 37

 

[CompusMentus]

The crew and passengers of United Airlines Flight 175

On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.

There were no survivors.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 PASSENGERS

Dorothy Alma deAraujo, 80, was a passenger on Flight 175. She lived in Long Beach, California. Dorothy worked as an executive administrative assistant at California State University's (Long Beach campus) for 20 years. She was a talented artist. After retiring she took art studies at the University earning a B.A. in Fine Art at the age of 69. Said her son, Tim deAraujo Jr. "She wanted to advance beyond watercolors and learn about decoupage, oils and sculpture".

Dorothy travelled abroad frequently to countries famous for their scenery and museums such as France, Australia, Italy and Brazil. She was returning home on Flight 175 from visiting her son in Bedford Mass.

A neighbour, Judy Willis, said of Dorothy, ".....her spirit is still amongst us and she surely would want us all to be happy. So let's pray for joy. I can't find forgiveness, but Dorothy might want us to do so".

Source:- HERE HERE


Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.

Compus

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

I have added in the age information for the alleged crew and for the alleged passengers posted up thus far by Compus.

The average age of the 9 crew members is 37.

Here is the information:

Passengers:
Hanson's seated in 19C,D,E 3/51 Ages: 21/2, ____, _____
Avraham, 22G 4/51 Age: 30
Bailey, 6F 5/51 Age: 54
Bavis, 19F 6/51 Age: 31
Berkeley, 6B 7/51 Age: 37
Bolourchi, 15C 8/51 Age: 69
Brandhurst, Gamboa, Gamboa-Brandhurst 8A,B,C 11/51 Ages: 41, 33, 3
Cahill, 6E 12/51 Age: 57
Carstanjen, 20A 13/51 Age: 33
Corcoran, 21G 14/51 Age: 43

Crew:
Saracini-pilot 1/9 Age: 51
Horrocks-first officer 2/9 Age: 38
Fangman-flight attendant 3/9 Age: 33
Jarret-flight attendant 4/9 Age: 28
King-flight attendant 5/9 Age: 29
Tarrou-flight attendant 6/9 Age: 38
Laborie-flight attendant 7/9 Age 44
Marchand-flight attendant 8/9 Age: 44
Titus-flight attendant 9/9 Age: 28

Average age of crew = 37

"alleged crew and alleged passengers"?

Why don't you just come out and admit it Jam- you don't think these people ever existed. Why are you too cowardly to admit what you've hinted at for multiple pages?
Please explain the families and friends that still mourn for the 'alleged' people who were on the planes.
Once you admit this, please show us your proof that these people never existed.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Look, this is elementary, Compus. You cannot use testimonials, memorials and eulogies to prove a plane crashed or that those who are missing and presumed dead died in a plane crash.

It is unreasonable for you to assert otherwise. You may use a memorial or a testimonial or a eulogy to prove a funeral took place, or a memorial service occurred, or a eulogy was published in a propaganda website. That is what you may use the type of information you have been posting for.

I think it's clear Jamm doubts the peole on the planes ever existed- either that, or their deaths mean nothing to him.

 

[TJM]

Adjustment of your subsequent posts is all that is necessary. Keep up the good posting.



Your quoted claim is unfortunate. I did not nit-pick. You will notice that I directed my observation as much, if not more, towards the posters in the thread who support the common storyline of 9/11. My wonderment was that those who hold onto the common storyline for dear life on the one hand did not catch your oft repeated error, on the other.

Generally, when something is set up on the basis of being sacrosanct and of being an article of unquestionable, divinely revealed truth, people are very meticulous in guarding such articles of faith. Your cohorts failed you in this instance.

I will make no further mention of what you acknowledge was an error. I will only say that you may want to rethink whether it is appropriate under the circumstances for you to continue to use the word "immutable" in your closing mantra, but that, of course, is ultimately up to you.



Your posting series has next to nothing to do with reason, Compus. Instead, you are making an emotional appeal, the subtext of which is that one is being disrespectful to victims by challenging the common storyline of 9/11.

I am a bit surprised here at your disengenuity, coming, as it does, in a context where you are having to acknowledge a mistake. I here submit that you err further when you are less than forthright about the nature of your posts.

Speaking only for myself I knew the correct number for flight 175, as I'm sure others do as well. But whether it's 59 or 60, it hardly changes the fact that these people were murdered when their airplane was deliberately crashed into 2 WTC. Thousands saw it with their owns eyes. Millions more witnessed it on television.

Secondly, we knew Compus would eventually find this error and correct it.

Lastly this was in fact, an honest mistake, not like trying to handwave evidence away as not coming from an official source when it clearly is.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6092242&postcount=1584

To your credit, you did correct yourself.

 

[fess]

Originally Posted by CompusMentus
It's true I seem to have made a mistake with the passenger numbers on Flight 175.

When I first began to look into the subject, this source HERE is the first I studied. I know I should have double-checked the number but I'll hold my hands up and say sorry for the slip.

I'll adjust any further posts accordingly.

Before you go apologizing to that arrogant ass, you were right. Jam, as always, failed to do any research or look for the “other” passenger. He is there, right in front of his eyes, and in death has come back to shove it down Jammy’s throat. I love it!

Sorry that I didn’t address this post to Jam, but he seems to have me on ignore or just won’t answer me.

"Immutable facts. Unassailable reason."

=Jammonius
Sheesh, Compus. I think you better quick make some changes, otherwise, your repititve posting will look a tad ridiculous, don't you think?

I would say that you look a tad ridiculous, doncha think?

 

[CompusMentus]

Before you go apologizing to that arrogant ass, you were right.

Thanks for the support fess, but I wasn't apologising to jammonius. I was apologising in general for the slip, not to anyone in particular.

I won't engage jammonius in any type of discourse. His past record here shows he is not a rational man, it would be a futile exercise. My aim is to show, with plain unadulterted fact, that he is wrong. I also think that he knows he is wrong. Although he will never admit it.

All here can see now, even him, that there is no solution to that (his) quandary of the fate of the people on board those jets.


Compus

 

[bill smith]

Before you go apologizing to that arrogant ass, you were right. Jam, as always, failed to do any research or look for the “other” passenger. He is there, right in front of his eyes, and in death has come back to shove it down Jammy’s throat. I love it!

Sorry that I didn’t address this post to Jam, but he seems to have me on ignore or just won’t answer me.

"Immutable facts. Unassailable reason."


I would say that you look a tad ridiculous, doncha think?

Compus made a mistake Fess. It's an easy thing to do and in any case his apology could hardly be described as abject or crawling.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Compus made a mistake Fess. It's an easy thing to do and in any case his apology could hardly be described as abject or crawling.

Are you seeing things? Those words don't appear in fess' post...

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Let me know if you disagree with my claims.

Yes, I disagree with your claims.

 

[TJM]

Are you seeing things? Those words don't appear in fess' post...

Bill's having issues these days. She's no longer the belle of the ball, so to speak. What with jammonius, Java Man, cmatrix etc, a girl can hardly get a word in edgewise. Plus that darn Telltale Tom needling her constantly. She needs to 'push the envelope' to get a reply these days.

Don't worry bill sweetie, we haven't forgotten you. Your throne will soon be restored.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Bill's having issues these days. She's no longer the belle of the ball, so to speak. What with jammonius, Java Man, cmatrix etc, a girl can hardly get a word in edgewise. Plus that darn Telltale Tom needling her constantly. She needs to 'push the envelope' to get a reply these days.

Don't worry bill sweetie, we haven't forgotten you. Your throne will soon be restored.

Is Bill a lass? I thought she was male...
Not too many female Truthers out there...

 

[TJM]

Is Bill a lass? I thought she was male...
Not too many female Truthers out there...

Rumor has it, though unconfirmed as far as I know. She's a girl until further notice as far as I'm concerned.

 

[fess]

Compus made a mistake Fess. It's an easy thing to do and in any case his apology could hardly be described as abject or crawling.

No, B.S., Compus did not make a mistake, and he need not apologize to you, your cousin, me, or anybody else. And, as I said to your cousin, if you did a little research, you would find out that Compus was correct. The "missing man is in front of you, find him, and then apologize for being a pompous ass.

 

[excaza]

I have added in the age information for the alleged crew and for the alleged passengers posted up thus far by Compus.

The average age of the 9 crew members is 37.

Here is the information:

Passengers:
Hanson's seated in 19C,D,E 3/51 Ages: 21/2, ____, _____
Avraham, 22G 4/51 Age: 30
Bailey, 6F 5/51 Age: 54
Bavis, 19F 6/51 Age: 31
Berkeley, 6B 7/51 Age: 37
Bolourchi, 15C 8/51 Age: 69
Brandhurst, Gamboa, Gamboa-Brandhurst 8A,B,C 11/51 Ages: 41, 33, 3
Cahill, 6E 12/51 Age: 57
Carstanjen, 20A 13/51 Age: 33
Corcoran, 21G 14/51 Age: 43

Crew:
Saracini-pilot 1/9 Age: 51
Horrocks-first officer 2/9 Age: 38
Fangman-flight attendant 3/9 Age: 33
Jarret-flight attendant 4/9 Age: 28
King-flight attendant 5/9 Age: 29
Tarrou-flight attendant 6/9 Age: 38
Laborie-flight attendant 7/9 Age 44
Marchand-flight attendant 8/9 Age: 44
Titus-flight attendant 9/9 Age: 28

Average age of crew = 37

How is this at all relevant?

 

[jammonius]

How is this at all relevant?

Oh come on Excaza, think for yourself, please; or, at a minimum, say that you have thought about the matter and can see no relevance. Post up either a claim that there is no way you can see any relevance and state why; or, state why you claim there is no relevance.

I do not play stupid "20 questions" games. Add to the content of the thread yourself and do not depend on me to provide your answers. I will post up information I consider relevant and you need to do likewise.

 

[uke2se]

Oh come on Excaza, think for yourself, please; or, at a minimum, say that you have thought about the matter and can see no relevance. Post up either a claim that there is no way you can see any relevance and state why; or, state why you claim there is no relevance.

I do not play stupid "20 questions" games. Add to the content of the thread yourself and do not depend on me to provide your answers. I will post up information I consider relevant and you need to do likewise.

Translation: It's not relevant at all, but merely more word salad to delay having to face the questions which, if answered, would shoot down the no-plane delusion in one swoop.