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The "Nakba" Myth

Before I click on that link, care to summarize what I can expect and what's so new about it?
 
Here's a sample:
The literal meaning of the Arabic word is “disaster”; but in its current, expansive usage, it connotes a historical catastrophe inflicted on an innocent and blameless people (in this case, the Palestinians) by an overpowering outside force (international Zionism). The Nakba is the heart of the Palestinians’ backward-looking national narrative, which depicts the creation of the State of Israel in 1948 as the original sin that dispossessed the land’s native people. Every year, on the anniversary of Israel’s independence, more and more Palestinians (including Arab citizens of Israel) commemorate the Nakba with pageants that express longing for a lost paradise. Every year, the legend grows of the crimes committed against the Palestinians in 1948, crimes now routinely equated with the Holocaust.
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Palestinians will never have their state if they keep being stuck in the past.

Onwards and upwards. Forget about the "disaster" already and move on.
 
Pardalis said:
Palestinians will never have their state if they keep being stuck in the past.

Onwards and upwards. Forget about the "disaster" already and move on.
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The Jews will never be at peace if they keep being stuck in the past.

Onwards and upwards. Forget about the "Holocaust" already and move on.


FACT: in 1947 there were 1.3 million Arabs in the territory of present-day Israel. In 1949, there were 200,000 Arabs. Many of there Arabs left on their own, the rest were forced out by the various Zionist military and paramilitary forces.

NONE of these Arabs, were ever allowed to return.
 
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Here we go again. The bigot with the persecution complex is nakba denying....some things never change.
 
its disgusting how folks can yell and moan about Holocaust denial on Monday, but deny the exile and suffering of hundreds of thousands of Arabs from Israel, on Tuesday.
 
Interesting. Victim-on-victim whining. How to score this one? Dunno. I take it back. This isn't interesting at all. :rolleyes:
 
when you deny the suffering and persecution of others, you have no right to complain and bitch about your own suffering and persecution.
 
How will things move forward if they constantly refer to the creation of Israel as their catastrophe? How are they ever going to accept Israel?
 
Pardalis said:
How will things move forward if they constantly refer to the creation of Israel as their catastrophe? How are they ever going to accept Israel?
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can you show us where they constantly refer to the creation of Israel as their catastrophy? They appear to me to refer to what happened to them as their catastrophy...the fact that the people that did it to them often used the excuse that it was needed to establish israel is quite irrelevant to the victims.
 
The Fool said:
can you show us where they constantly refer to the creation of Israel as their catastrophy?
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That's what Nakba means.

Or, how about the facts that the Palestinians in the Palestinian authority refuse to give Palestinians in refugee camps there Palestinian citizenship, lest they stop being used as a demographic time bomb to destroy Israel with the "right of return"?

I'd say that's taking the Nakba a a catastrophe to be overturned one blessed day when Israel is destroyed.

So is the situation in the other refugee camps throughout the Arab world -- kept in chains for 60 years by their Arab "brothers". Because their (by now) great-grandparents fled a war 60 years ago.

About 95% of the Palestinian "refugees" today are not refugees by any definition -- no more than you or most people here are refugees because some of our ancestors fled WWI or WWII. Nor are those who actually fled usually considered refugees once they are resettled.

They are, in reality, not refugees, but the Arab world's prisoners, or hostages, whose misery has one, and only one, reason: the desire to "undo the Nakba" by destroying Israel.

Do you have some grandfather who came to Australia because he fled, say, WWI or WWII? What would you say if the Australians, outraged at the injustice of WWI, kept you and your parents and everybody in your family in refugee camps for three generations because of that? And declared that you, and your family, would continue to live in refugee camps unless and until you get back your Austro-Hungarian citizenship and be deported back to Europe, when the Kaiser's descendants finally apologize?

What would you say if Israel kept all the Israeli refugees from Europe or the Arab world and their families in camps for 60 years? That would make Israel a huge prison camp with a few "old timers" running the place while constantly exhibiting the camps and saying -- "look how we were mistreated! Shame on them!".

Come to think of it, that would make the Israelies... like the Palestinians, won't it?

Yet you and others support the old-timers who do this, by rallying behind the "Palestinian refugee problem". You are supporting, not the Palestinians, but their jailers and kidnappers who go by the stage name of "the Palestinian leadership" or "The Arab world's governments".
 
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Skeptic said:
That's what Nakba means.
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that is the meaning you nail to it.....so what...



Or, how about the facts that the Palestinians in the Palestinian authority refuse to give Palestinians in refugee camps there Palestinian citizenship, lest they stop being used as a demographic time bomb to destroy Israel with the "right of return"?

I'd say that's taking the Nakba a a catastrophe to be overturned one blessed day when Israel is destroyed.

So is the situation in the other refugee camps throughout the Arab world -- kept in chains for 60 years by their Arab "brothers". Because their (by now) great-grandparents fled a war 60 years ago.

About 95% of the Palestinian "refugees" today are not refugees by any definition -- no more than you or most people here are refugees because some of our ancestors fled WWI or WWII. Nor are those who actually fled usually considered refugees once they are resettled.

They are, in reality, not refugees, but the Arab world's prisoners, or hostages, whose misery has one, and only one, reason: the desire to "undo the Nakba" by destroying Israel.

Do you have some grandfather who came to Australia because he fled, say, WWI or WWII? What would you say if the Australians, outraged at the injustice of WWI, kept you and your parents and everybody in your family in refugee camps for three generations because of that? And declared that you, and your family, would continue to live in refugee camps unless and until you get back your Austro-Hungarian citizenship and be deported back to Europe, when the Kaiser's descendants finally apologize?

What would you say if Israel kept all the Israeli refugees from Europe or the Arab world and their families in camps for 60 years? That would make Israel a huge prison camp with a few "old timers" running the place while constantly exhibiting the camps and saying -- "look how we were mistreated! Shame on them!".

Come to think of it, that would make the Israelies... like the Palestinians, won't it?

Yet you and others support the old-timers who do this, by rallying behind the "Palestinian refugee problem". You are supporting, not the Palestinians, but their jailers and kidnappers who go by the stage name of "the Palestinian leadership" or "The Arab world's governments".
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thanks for the irrelevant wall-o-text. now.... Can you show us where they constantly refer to the creation of Israel as their catastrophy?

They commemorate what happened to them. The creation of Israel was not what "happened to them". What happened to them was not necessary in order to allow the creation of Israel.
 
Pardalis said:
Palestinians will never have their state if they keep being stuck in the past.

Onwards and upwards. Forget about the "disaster" already and move on.
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I'm sure that's easy for all those in refugee camps. Get out those bootstraps!
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
I'm sure that's easy for all those in refugee camps. Get out those bootstraps!
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That might have something to do with the Arab world, as well as their own Palestinian brothers in the PA, deliberately keeping them in refugee camps, not giving them citizenship, etc., etc.

The only legitimate goal for a Palestinian refugee in life is to destroy Israel through the "right of return", the thinking goes. Anything else is not allowed.
 
You ask where the creation of Israel is considered a "catastrophe".

I note that that is what the word Nakba means and the creation of Israel is constantly referred to as the Nakba.

I then show you that their actions -- keeping the sons, grandsons, and great-grandsons of the refugees of the war of annihilation they started as honorary "refugees" just so that this catastrophe, or Nakba, will be undone by Israel's destruction.

Your reply is that all this is "irrelevant" and "so what".

If you're not willing to listen to the answers, why are you asking questions?
 
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