Split Thread SAIC, ARA and 9/11 (split from "All 43 videos...")

jammonius said:
Oystein,

Your editing out of signficant portions of the post that you supposedly offer a reply to is a bit disengenuous.

Our fallacy vigilantes will, of course, recognize what you've done and may or may not call you out on it.

Pvt. Manning's whistleblowing is, indeed, an apt example for consideration in the context of 9/11. While there have been some 9/11 whistleblowers,
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The only 9/11 whistleblower was and is a hero, FBI agent Coleen Rowley. What she has to say only makes the case against the 19 Arab hijackers even stronger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleen_Rowley

Coleen Rowley's Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller
An edited version of the agent's 13-page letter

May 21, 2002

FBI Director Robert Mueller
FBI Headquarters Washington, D.C.

Dear Director Mueller:

I feel at this point that I have to put my concerns in writing concerning the important topic of the FBI's response to evidence of terrorist activity in the United States prior to September 11th. The issues are fundamentally ones of INTEGRITY and go to the heart of the FBI's law enforcement mission and mandate. Moreover, at this critical juncture in fashioning future policy to promote the most effective handling of ongoing and future threats to United States citizens' security, it is of absolute importance that an unbiased, completely accurate picture emerge of the FBI's current investigative and management strengths and failures.

To get to the point, I have deep concerns that a delicate and subtle shading/skewing of facts by you and others at the highest levels of FBI management has occurred and is occurring. The term "cover up" would be too strong a characterization which is why I am attempting to carefully (and perhaps over laboriously) choose my words here. I base my concerns on my relatively small, peripheral but unique role in the Moussaoui investigation in the Minneapolis Division prior to, during and after September 11th and my analysis of the comments I have heard both inside the FBI (originating, I believe, from you and other high levels of management) as well as your Congressional testimony and public comments.

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8) For starters, if prevention rather than prosecution is to be our new main goal, (an objective I totally agree with), we need more guidance on when we can apply the Quarles "public safety" exception to Miranda's 5th Amendment requirements. We were prevented from even attempting to question Moussaoui on the day of the attacks when, in theory, he could have possessed further information about other co-conspirators.} (Apparently no government attorney believes there is a "public safety" exception in a situation like this?!)

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html
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jammonius said:
Oystein,

Your editing out of signficant portions of the post that you supposedly offer a reply to is a bit disengenuous....
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I just cut the crap.

My generosity is vast as I have not cut ALL crap. There would be nothing left to reply to.
 
Hey posters, lurkers and victims family members, any ARA people out there?

OK, SAIC is in the house, so to speak, represented capably and admirably by Chillzero. But what of ARA? We have not had anyone speak up for ARA and its status within the MIC as yet.

We've had someone speak up very admirably for SAIC--Chillzero. But, so far there has been a noticeable silence from the Applied Research Associates Inc. (ARA) crowd. Come on ARA, speak up!

We know you're a leading MIC company, a founding sponsor of the Directed Energy Professional Society and a company that manufacturers, develops and tests the lethality effects of directed energy weaponry (DEW). ARA was also the second largest, by number, private contributor to the NIST NCSTAR 1fraud process.

And, very intriguingly, perhaps, we know that ARA described its "capabilities" with the following illustrations a couple years ago on its website:

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ARA did not exactly describe what exact "capabilities" the above photos were illustrating, I don't think. It certainly looks like they were illustrating how to zap the WTC complex with DEW.

That is what it looks like.

Come on ARA, will someone speak up for that company, please?

Thanks in advance.
 
jammonius said:
OK, SAIC is in the house, so to speak, represented capably and admirably by Chillzero. But what of ARA? We have not had anyone speak up for ARA and its status within the MIC as yet.

We've had someone speak up very admirably for SAIC--Chillzero. But, so far there has been a noticeable silence from the Applied Research Associates Inc. (ARA) crowd. Come on ARA, speak up!

We know you're a leading MIC company, a founding sponsor of the Directed Energy Professional Society and a company that manufacturers, develops and tests the lethality effects of directed energy weaponry (DEW). ARA was also the second largest, by number, private contributor to the NIST NCSTAR 1fraud process.

And, very intriguingly, perhaps, we know that ARA described its "capabilities" with the following illustrations a couple years ago on its website:

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[qimg]http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/jfibonacci/flightsimvideo/Slide2.jpg?t=1280795475[/qimg]

ARA did not exactly describe what exact "capabilities" the above photos were illustrating, I don't think. It certainly looks like they were illustrating how to zap the WTC complex with DEW.

That is what it looks like.

Come on ARA, will someone speak up for that company, please?

Thanks in advance.
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HOLYCRAPWTFBBQ!?!? Whelp... he's got us guys. I told y'all that we shouldn't have put screen shots from sim we showed Bush back in 2000. "Oh but it'll be so cool! No one is going to be able to tell what it is!" Now look! Jam has figured it all out.
 
jammonius has one hell of an imagination; taking an image that highlights the buildings that were lost on 9/11 and concluding that it's an artist's rendering of how an orbital energy weapon would be applied to the WTC complex.

The first picture is from this page: http://web.archive.org/web/20080208154116/www.ara.com/capabilities/defense.htm

The second picture is from this page: http://web.archive.org/web/20080609194832/www.ara.com/capabilities/c_forensic.htm

ARA did analysis of the plane impacts on WTC1 and WTC2 for NIST. They also did progressive collapse analysis of WTC7 for NIST. It's not unreasonable to assume that the second image is associated with one of those services, not some fanciful orbital energy weapon the likes of which no human has ever seen.

jammonius is living in a fantasy world.
 
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
jammonius has one hell of an imagination; taking an image that highlights the buildings that were lost on 9/11 and concluding that it's an artist's rendering of how an orbital energy weapon would be applied to the WTC complex.
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Speaking of imagination, you are not quoting anything I have said. From where did you, err, imagine the following statement:

"...taking an image that highlights the buildings that were lost on 9/11 and concluding that it's an artist's rendering of how an orbital energy weapon would be applied to the WTC complex..."

That is your own imagination at work, is it not?

But, since you seem to have an interesting in imagining, how about this list of capabilities from that same webpage that the image comes from and that you kindly linked for us:

The first picture is from this page: http://web.archive.org/web/20080208154116/www.ara.com/capabilities/defense.htm
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"Related Capabilities

Information and intelligence
Decision support
Systems engineering and integration
Sensor systems
Weapon systems
Weapon effects
Fire fighting systems
Chem/Bio Defense
Advanced energy systems
Pollution prevention and remediation
Geotechnical/Environmental site characterization services
Modeling and simulation
Robotics
Test and evaluation
Manufacturing/Prototyping
Training"


It's very clear, isn't it, that ARA is a cream of the crop, high end weapons producer, including production of the most lethal weapons there are, and that includes DEW.

That is who directed the NIST project to determine what destroyed the WTC complex, folks. Well, guess what. ARA did all it could to prevent NIST from making any such determination of what caused the destruction of the WTC and no determination has been made by any governmental investigation that is publicly known.

The second picture is from this page: http://web.archive.org/web/20080609194832/www.ara.com/capabilities/c_forensic.htm
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Thanks for providing that link. That is useful.

ARA did analysis of the plane impacts on WTC1 and WTC2 for NIST. They also did progressive collapse analysis of WTC7 for NIST. It's not unreasonable to assume that the second image is associated with one of those services, not some fanciful orbital energy weapon the likes of which no human has ever seen.
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Inference is inference. You are free to infer as you like; and, so am I, right?

I think we're onto something useful here. I hope dialogue will develop.

Do you know of anyone who works for ARA? If so, would you kindly ask them to post up.

jammonius is living in a fantasy world.
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I'm sorry you have found it necessary to engage in putdowns. And, in any event, your claim is false. Inference is not the same as fantasy; and, fantasy, in reasonable amounts, is considered more or less normal, right?
 
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jammonius said:
Speaking of imagination, ...

It's very clear, isn't it, that ARA is a cream of the crop, high end weapons producer, including production of the most lethal weapons there are, and that includes DEW.

That is who directed the NIST project to determine what destroyed the WTC complex, folks. Well, guess what. ARA did all it could to prevent NIST from making any such determination of what caused the destruction of the WTC and no determination has been made by any governmental investigation that is publicly known.
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Speaking of imagination...
I have an imagination of my owwn:

It is very clear, isn't it, that Caterpillar Inc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Inc.) is a cream of the crop, high end producer of destructive machinery, including production of the most efficient crawlers there are, and that includes bulldozers.

That is who bulldozed the World Trade Center! The seeming top-down-collapse was only a hologram - in reality Caterpiller bumped huge bulldozers against the bases of the towers.

There.

Debunk that!
 
Oystein said:
Speaking of imagination...
I have an imagination of my owwn:

It is very clear, isn't it, that Caterpillar Inc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Inc.) is a cream of the crop, high end producer of destructive machinery, including production of the most efficient crawlers there are, and that includes bulldozers.

That is who bulldozed the World Trade Center! The seeming top-down-collapse was only a hologram - in reality Caterpiller bumped huge bulldozers against the bases of the towers.

There.

Debunk that!
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You're forgetting the Crab People! 9/11 WAS A CRAB JOB!

Taste like crab, talk like people. CRAB PEOPLE!
 
jammonius said:
... I'm sorry you have found it necessary to engage in putdowns. And, in any event, your claim is false. Inference is not the same as fantasy; and, fantasy, in reasonable amounts, is considered more or less normal, right?
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Do you think you are disrespecting those who died on 911 by spewing lies? Are you trying to be as disrespectful as you can be, making up more lies in a thread based on your failed delusions. Have you checked with victim families to see how soothing your delusions are for them?
 
jammonius said:
Speaking of imagination, you are not quoting anything I have said. From where did you, err, imagine the following statement:

"...taking an image that highlights the buildings that were lost on 9/11 and concluding that it's an artist's rendering of how an orbital energy weapon would be applied to the WTC complex..."

That is your own imagination at work, is it not?
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My work-mate Ed Felt was real, he wasn't a figment of anyone's imagination.

Jam, where is he now?
 
jammonius said:
It's very clear, isn't it, that ARA is a cream of the crop, high end weapons producer, including production of the most lethal weapons there are, and that includes DEW.
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It's not clear at all, especially the highlighted part. Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?
 
Originally Posted by jammonius
It's very clear, isn't it, that ARA is a cream of the crop, high end weapons producer, including production of the most lethal weapons there are, and that includes DEW.
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
It's not clear at all, especially the highlighted part. Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?
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No, it certainly is not clear at all, especially, the part about DEW weapons. Where in this statement is there any mention whatsoever about DEW or anything that resembles such weapons?

“Weapon Systems
ARA develops advanced weapon system concepts and designs that expand performance ranges as well as leverage advanced technologies to increase targeting precision and on-board autonomy. We develop weapon systems with enhanced survivability, penetration depth, range, and explosive performance. We also develop advanced non-lethal and lethal concepts and designs that make weapon systems smarter and limit collateral damage. We integrate weapons and advanced robotic systems that can infiltrate denied sites and maximize the reach of our warfighters.
We use high fidelity physics-based modeling and simulation methods to perform weapons effectiveness evaluations to engineer these solutions and optimize effectiveness considering all system requirements. We also design and execute tests of new weapon systems for development as well as operational evaluations.”

I hope Jam washed his hands after pulling this stuff out of his ***.
 
fess said:
No, it certainly is not clear at all, especially, the part about DEW weapons. Where in this statement is there any mention whatsoever about DEW or anything that resembles such weapons?

“Weapon Systems
ARA develops advanced weapon system concepts and designs that expand performance ranges as well as leverage advanced technologies to increase targeting precision and on-board autonomy. We develop weapon systems with enhanced survivability, penetration depth, range, and explosive performance. We also develop advanced non-lethal and lethal concepts and designs that make weapon systems smarter and limit collateral damage. We integrate weapons and advanced robotic systems that can infiltrate denied sites and maximize the reach of our warfighters.
We use high fidelity physics-based modeling and simulation methods to perform weapons effectiveness evaluations to engineer these solutions and optimize effectiveness considering all system requirements. We also design and execute tests of new weapon systems for development as well as operational evaluations.”

I hope Jam washed his hands after pulling this stuff out of his ***.
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Fess,

Playing dumb as a way of getting someone else to answer a question for you does not become you.

However, as I have elsewhere said that ARA is a founding sponsor of the Directed Energy Professional Society, an organization that bragged as far back as Y2K about lasers being in space, in the air, on the ground and at sea, to paraphrase a claim they made back then, I suppose I should prove that ARA is such a sponsor. And so is SAIC:

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Behold! The cream of the crop of the MIC, in part, as there are others. Front and center, however, are ARA and SAIC.

And, oh, by the way, Fess, how does the size of the bombs your favorite MIC company compare to the ones ARA braggs about on its website:

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Note the brutal irony of ARA: To depict the size of their freakin' bombs, they use a human being for scale. The MIC is sick, sad and deeply, deeply in need of better control and oversight.

Here, then, is what else ARA braggs about:

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The bomb images can be found at ARA's website, at least as it was a couple years ago. I find such websites to be so sickening that I only look at them when absolutely necessary. I leave it to others who may be interested in determining how sick ARA is to go to their current website themselves:

http://web.archive.org/web/200802081...es/defense.htm
 
excaza said:
Bombs aren't DEWs
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But people who draw little men next to big bombs are spectacularly evil!
Only spectacularly evil people put huge DEWs into space.
Therefore, they dun 9/11.
Q.E.D.!
 
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