Private militias are criminal gangs.

[leftysergeant]

I already named one.

No, you didn't. The Minutemen of 1776 were in no significant way similar, related to or regulated in the manner if the Minuteman scum of today. The fools heading the outlaw militia of today are, in general, unfit for command and not duly autholized by any law to do so, and are, generally, batcrap crazy. I have not met a one of them who has all his headbolts torqued right.

Any country that has ever allowed armed crazies to run around playing militia has suffered harm from it.

No, your point has been, what you have repeated without evidence is the false supposition that private militias are illegal in the United States. You have oscillated between it being illegal at the federal level and illegal in most states. Neither position have you supported with fact.

Clearly, you have a reading comprehension problem. Article I section 8 gives the congress and the states the joint power to arm and discipline the militia. Not the local chapter of Schizos Discombobullated.

 

[GeeMack]

The cops are aware that the crimes are occurring, and I have passed on bits of specicific inforation as I have come accross them. I am saying that it should be a felony to belong to such organizations because they never end well.

The cops are aware that a dude in the next building from me is selling coke. But it's against the law for me to neglect to report that crime. The difference here seems to be that I have called the police and made an official report according to my legal responsibility. I'm not a pussy about such things. But okay, so you haven't reported this supposed violation of the law to the police. You claim they're aware of it. You're letting other people do the right thing, the legal thing. It is against the law to be aware of the commission of a crime and neglect to report it, Lefty. It's the law in every state in the nation. Don't you think those people who would observe a crime like that and fail to report it are chickens, useless vermin, scum, swine, turds? Don't you think, Lefty?

Are you saying that the world would not be a better place had the government troops done that at the Feldherrenhalle?

Maybe the world would have decided that it's a good idea to machine gun down anyone who publicly disagrees with the regime in power at any given time. You never know how it might have turned out. Maybe your rights to free assembly and free speech would have been revoked if the world took on the dangerous attitude that you and the Nazis and the Truthers have in common. Machine gun down those who scare the wussies and make the world a better place. Don't you think, Lefty?

 

[leftysergeant]

The cops are aware that a dude in the next building from me is selling coke. But it's against the law for me to neglect to report that crime. The difference here seems to be that I have called the police and made an official report according to my legal responsibility. I'm not a pussy about such things. But okay, so you haven't reported this supposed violation of the law to the police. You claim they're aware of it. You're letting other people do the right thing, the legal thing. It is against the law to be aware of the commission of a crime and neglect to report it, Lefty. It's the law in every state in the nation. Don't you think those people who would observe a crime like that and fail to report it are chickens, useless vermin, scum, swine, turds? Don't you think, Lefty?

I have on occassion reported specific information regarding recruitment efforts by outlaw militias to proper authorities. I am just saying that it needs to be raised to the level of a felony because they are that much a threat to public safety. To excuse them without grounds for committing a misdemeanor that could be a preparation for a felony is stupid.

Maybe the world would have decided that it's a good idea to machine gun down anyone who publicly disagrees with the regime in power at any given time. You never know how it might have turned out. Maybe your rights to free assembly and free speech would have been revoked if the world took on the dangerous attitude that you and the Nazis and the Truthers have in common. Machine gun down those who scare the wussies and make the world a better place. Don't you think, Lefty?

The failed putsch had nothing to do with peaceable assembly, so what the hell is ytour point? tthe world would have been better had the Nazis been wiped out right there. The result of their not having been exterminated is a good arguement for making it a felony to organize a private militia. Every country that has them soon suffers badly for it.

The black people of this country suffered badly from the existance of private militias in the 19th Century.

 

[GeeMack]

I have on occassion reported specific information regarding recruitment efforts by outlaw militias to proper authorities.

But still you haven't called the police and reported the existence of the militias, the thing you claim is illegal. So in your neglect to report a crime, you are a criminal. The Truthers don't report what they claim to be a crime, either. Kind of makes your argument equal to that of a Truther.

I am just saying that it needs to be raised to the level of a felony because they are that much a threat to public safety.

No, you're not just saying that. You've been saying, since the beginning of this thread, that militias are illegal almost everywhere in the United States. And you've failed miserably, on every level, as badly as any Truther ever could, to support that contention. Remember, your lies and arguments from incredulity and ignorance are only evidence in your own mind. Are you prepared to acknowledge that you've been lying and that you're wrong about your original claim?

To excuse them without grounds for committing a misdemeanor that could be a preparation for a felony is stupid.

Here's a point with which I think you'll find nearly unanimous agreement: Your position that someone should be machine gunned or dragged off to the hoosegow because what they do "could be a preparation for a felony" is stupid. But call the damned police already, Lefty, and report them for committing that misdemeanor. Truthers are gutless, whining turds who won't do any more than bitch on the Internet. You want to be counted among wussies like that, or are you ever going to meet your legal responsibility to call the police and report those criminals?

The failed putsch had nothing to do with peaceable assembly, so what the hell is ytour point? tthe world would have been better had the Nazis been wiped out right there. The result of their not having been exterminated is a good arguement for making it a felony to organize a private militia. Every country that has them soon suffers badly for it.

Except the militias who were integral in establishing this great nation of ours as a free country, eh, Lefty? Dammitall, too bad someone didn't machine gun down Ethan Allen and those big bad scary Green Mountain Boys. Just imagine what this country would be like if all the private militias were put down immediately, while they were innocently sitting in pubs working out the original plans to kill those who were legally charged with enforcement of the government of the times. That would have been a good idea, don't you think, Lefty?

The black people of this country suffered badly from the existance of private militias in the 19th Century.

Quite a few black people in this country suffered pretty badly because of jerkwad sergeants right in the good old US military. So you know what we should do with people who are or have been sergeants in the military? Yes, let's apply your own standards here, Lefty. That's how we should handle military sergeants, don't you think?

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[leftysergeant]

But still you haven't called the police and reported the existence of the militias, the thing you claim is illegal.

They know that the militias exist and they make every effort to arrest the dirtbags when they have evidence of a felony. All they can really do with the resoiurces they have available right now is monitor the slime.

No, you're not just saying that. You've been saying, since the beginning of this thread, that militias are illegal almost everywhere in the United States. And you've failed miserably, on every level, as badly as any Truther ever could, to support that contention.

You fail like a twoofer to prove that they are legal. How can anyione with an IQ above that of a bonobo read RCW 38.40.120 and conclude that it is legal to organize a private militia here? Oh my! Forget it. got my answer.

Here's a point with which I think you'll find nearly unanimous agreement: Your position that someone should be machine gunned or dragged off to the hoosegow because what they do "could be a preparation for a felony" is stupid.

Stop that. I was saying that that would have been the best way to handle Hitler and the dirtbags with him during the putsch. It would also be the best way to deal with it if the militias rise up against the government here. None of those turds is fit to lead anything other than a wasted life.

Except the militias who were integral in establishing this great nation of ours as a free country, eh, Lefty? Dammitall, too bad someone didn't machine gun down Ethan Allen and those big bad scary Green Mountain Boys. Just imagine what this country would be like if all the private militias were put down immediately, while they were innocently sitting in pubs working out the original plans to kill those who were legally charged with enforcement of the government of the times.

You have no clue how the militia functioned within the framework of common law, have you? Do you really see some similarity between Ethan Allen and a raving maniac like Trochmann or Hitler? Sick.

Quite a few black people in this country suffered pretty badly because of jerkwad sergeants right in the good old US military.

Back off. You know damned well I am referring to the grand-daddy of unlawful militias, one that is still operating out there in the bushes today, the good old terrorist network called the Ku Klux Klan. You know that they are terrorists, right? Why aren't they rounded up?

Same reason they don't round up the other terrorist scum. All they have them on right now is a misdemeanor and rounding them up would look like simple harrassment.

Can you honestly tell me that it serves some useful purpose for a civilized society to let this kind of idiot play with weapons? He isn't fit to lead a military formation. He's stupid and crazy and untrained. And the reporter is wrong about his crap being legal. (Idaho Code 46-802. Note that this one is a little clearer than RCW 38.40.120, in that it includes the words "military company ororganization, which is clearly the intent of the Washington law as well.)

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Idaho-militia-train-support-bear-arms/story?id=10242140

 

[Skeptic]

First lefty tells us he is going to shoot the murderous thugs of the militia the moment he would see them committing a crime or preparing to do so.

Then he tells us that he actually saw them committing a crime, or preparing to do so, but not only did he not shoot them, he couldn't even be bothered to dial 911 and report it.

 

[Skeptic]

Can you honestly tell me that it serves some useful purpose for a civilized society to let this kind of idiot play with weapons?

It's your fault, Lefty.

You see, you've got guns and tons of ammo at home, don't you?

So you know the rules: once the government allows one kind of idiot to carry weapons, they've got to let all the different kinds of idiot to do it. It's undemocratic, otherwise.

 

[leftysergeant]

It's your fault, Lefty.

You see, you've got guns and tons of ammo at home, don't you?

And I am trained to use them. And I, unlike mister tofu-for-brains out in Idaho, have actually served in the military. I am far more fit to command than that turd or his whackadoodle buddies. Bunch of losers blaming liberals because the rightwhackers sent their jobs overseas. Stupid little twits. Notivce how much the sheriff trusts them to keep the narrow end down range?

So you know the rules: once the government allows one kind of idiot to carry weapons, they've got to let all the different kinds of idiot to do it.

The rules are that soldiers answer the hue and cry to put down insurrectiuon and invasion and to defend the constituiton against domestic enemies. And did you bother to look up Idaho Code 46-802?There is no way in hell that that can be spun to make the 21st legal.

The 21st Light Foot are domestic enemies. and had best not convince anyone they intend to use those weapns any time soon.

 

[leftysergeant]

First lefty tells us he is going to shoot the murderous thugs of the militia the moment he would see them committing a crime or preparing to do so.

Pay attention. I know I am not permitted to shoot people over a misdemeanor. I haven't caught them in a felony yet. As long as there is no immediate threat to human life, I have to hold my fire even if I witness a felony.

And I have passed along intel about their recruitment operations.

 

[GeeMack]

They know that the militias exist and they make every effort to arrest the dirtbags when they have evidence of a felony. All they can really do with the resoiurces they have available right now is monitor the slime.

But you still haven't called the police. Damn it, Lefty, you're wasting time man. Doesn't it make you a criminal to know that a crime is being committed yet fail to report it? Oh, and the police are apparently so concerned that they've made it a priority to check for people wearing their seat belts instead of go after those big bad scary militia folks. Maybe the police, and, well, pretty much everyone else in this country, aren't as scared as you are. Imagine that.

You fail like a twoofer to prove that they are legal. How can anyione with an IQ above that of a bonobo read RCW 38.40.120 and conclude that it is legal to organize a private militia here? Oh my! Forget it. got my answer.

So again, what did the police say when you called them to report that crime? You did call them, didn't you? You do know it's a crime in every state to be aware of an illegal act yet be too much of a wussie to report it? You know it's standard operating procedure for Truthers to bitch and moan on the Internet because they don't have the balls to actually follow through with all their big talk?

Stop that. I was saying that that would have been the best way to handle Hitler and the dirtbags with him during the putsch. It would also be the best way to deal with it if the militias rise up against the government here. None of those turds is fit to lead anything other than a wasted life.

Well isn't it a good thing then that you're not the one who gets to make the decisions on such issues, since clearly your values and priorities are radically different than the rational intelligent people, those who appreciate that the rights of the people belong to all the people. And hey, while we're at it, why wouldn't machine gunning or imprisonment be the best way to deal with cowardly washed up ex-US-military sergeants who think it's appropriate to deny certain groups of people their rights according to the constitution?

You have no clue how the militia functioned within the framework of common law, have you? Do you really see some similarity between Ethan Allen and a raving maniac like Trochmann or Hitler? Sick.

Oh, common law. Now you're saying it's okay to be a militia if a whole lot of other people think it's okay. How many, Lefty? How many people need to join up in various private militia organizations in this country before it's a whole-lot enough for it to be okay?

Back off. You know damned well I am referring to the grand-daddy of unlawful militias, one that is still operating out there in the bushes today, the good old terrorist network called the Ku Klux Klan. You know that they are terrorists, right? Why aren't they rounded up?

Back off what? The "good old terrorist network called the Ku Klux Klan" operates as a legal entity quite openly. And the police feel it's more important to give people tickets for jaywalking than to toss all those KKK militia terrorists in the poky or subject them to the business end of a machine gun. Kind of a drag for the chicken****s, eh, Lefty? Don't you think?

And do you have a problem with tossing US military sergeants in the gulag because they have been known to, well, how'd I put it?... "Quite a few black people in this country suffered pretty badly because of jerkwad sergeants right in the good old US military." You know as well as I do that it's true, Lefty. Why the double standard? Are you some kind of a bigot?

Same reason they don't round up the other terrorist scum. All they have them on right now is a misdemeanor and rounding them up would look like simple harrassment.

Again I'll note that the police apparently find jay walkers and seat belt scofflaws to be much more scary than they think the militia folks are. After all, look how they prioritize their manpower. So you're more afraid of militias than the police are afraid of a fellow not wearing his seat belt? Pretty much all the police, from coast to coast? Does that say more about the entire police force in the entire United States, or more about little old you all by yourself arguing that people's rights should be revoked because something scares you?

Can you honestly tell me that it serves some useful purpose for a civilized society to let this kind of idiot play with weapons? He isn't fit to lead a military formation. He's stupid and crazy and untrained. And the reporter is wrong about his crap being legal. (Idaho Code 46-802. Note that this one is a little clearer than RCW 38.40.120, in that it includes the words "military company ororganization, which is clearly the intent of the Washington law as well.)

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Idaho-militia-train-support-bear-arms/story?id=10242140

I can honestly say that it serves no useful purpose to deny American citizens their rights because you, apparently nearly alone in your way of thinking, seem to be scared to death of a bunch of guys playing army out in the woods.

Oh, and how's that evidence coming, Lefty, where you said you'd support your claim from the original post? Or are you acknowledging that you've lied and that you were wrong?

 

[jsfisher]

No, you didn't. The Minutemen of 1776 were in no significant way similar, related to or regulated in the manner if the Minuteman scum of today.

The Minutemen were outlaws according the King George, weren't they? So, I guess you are right. The private militias are legal while the Minutemen were not. That's one difference, I guess.

They were both scum, though (according to King George for one and King Lefty for the other). I'm seeing lots of similarities; not so many differences.

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Clearly, you have a reading comprehension problem.

Yeah, you said that before. You were wrong then, and you are wrong now. More of a projection, it seems.

Article I section 8 gives the congress and the states the joint power to arm and discipline the militia. Not the local chapter of Schizos Discombobullated.

We've been down this path, before. You failed before, and you fail now to understand the Constitution's reference to the Militia versus private militias. No matter. If private militias were truly criminally illegal at the federal level, then what would be the penalty for forming one? There isn't one, and the reason is because private militia are not illegal at the federal level. Pretty simple that. Also, if it were illegal at the federal level, why would some states bother to regulate the behavior of private militias? The reason, again, is because private militias are not illegal at the federal level.

 

[leftysergeant]

So again, what did the police say when you called them to report that crime? You did call them, didn't you? You do know it's a crime in every state to be aware of an illegal act yet be too much of a wussie to report it?

Pay attention, twoofer. I sdaid they know that the militia is illegal, but that they can't do that much about a misdemeanor and have to wait for a felony. As i notice possible felonies, i do pass that information along. (No, you do not have the right or need to know any more than that. You can't be trusted to undersatand the implications with your limited understanding.)

Well isn't it a good thing then that you're not the one who gets to make the decisions on such issues, since clearly your values and priorities are radically different than the rational intelligent people, those who appreciate that the rights of the people belong to all the people. And hey, while we're at it, why wouldn't machine gunning or imprisonment be the best way to deal with cowardly washed up ex-US-military sergeants who think it's appropriate to deny certain groups of people their rights according to the constitution?

Show me where that turd had a right to organize the 21st Light foot. It ius not his right to threaten to overthrow the government just because we don't elect the kind of whackadoodles that that wussie wants running the country.
I get the impression that you know bugger-all about what it means to be a soldier in a free country. Your opinion would seem to be worthless, since you can't even grasp the import of either RCW 38.40.120 or Idaho Code 46-802.

Oh, common law. Now you're saying it's okay to be a militia if a whole lot of other people think it's okay. How many, Lefty? How many people need to join up in various private militia organizations in this country before it's a whole-lot enough for it to be okay?

Get it straight, twoofer. The militia that existed in 1776 were formed according to English law, which was derived largely from common law. But we now have a constitution that supercedes that. This is a fact lost on twoofers and rightwingers.

I'm finished now with trying to teach pigs to sing.

 

[GeeMack]

Pay attention, twoofer. [...]

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Get it straight, twoofer. [...]

For the record, your personal attack and incivility is noted.

 

[Skeptic]

And I am trained to use them. And I, unlike mister tofu-for-brains out in Idaho, have actually served in the military.

So?

The second amendment doesn't limit owning guns to those who served in the military.

I agree with you that these folks' web site seems ridiculous -- I'm much more worried about them accidentally shooting someone than them deliberately doing so -- but so what? It's a free country, and there's the second amendment. You want to look like an idiot playing soldier, you have the right to do so.

What "serves a useful purpose in a civilized society" is simply irrelevant. It isn't somebody determining that what you do -- or you yourself -- "serves a useful purpose" that gives you the right to do it (or the right to live). It's your constitutional rights and your freedom in a free society.

 

[GeeMack]

So?

The second amendment doesn't limit owning guns to those who served in the military.

It doesn't even limit it to those who have been trained to use them.

 

[Skeptic]

It doesn't even limit it to those who have been trained to use them.

True, true.

Besides, frankly, as an Israeli, I never understood why some Americans make such a big fuss about "being trained to use weapons". In Israel there is conscription, which means that half the people you meet on the street had been "trained to use weapons". Bragging about it, as if it is some sort of big deal, is about as silly as bragging about having a driver's license.

Being trained in the military to use weapons has one practical advantage: safety training is drilled into you so deeply it becomes second nature, while accidents are far more common among civilians. But that hardly negates the right to bear arms.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

so lefty, has anyone ever been charged with being a militia member or leader independent of other crimes?

 

[Noztradamus]

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Back off. You know damned well I am referring to the grand-daddy of unlawful militias, one that is still operating out there in the bushes today, the good old terrorist network called the Ku Klux Klan. You know that they are terrorists, right? Why aren't they rounded up?
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John Brown's private miltia preceded the Klan by a decade. And Brown had no military or civil sanction to form any lawful militia.

 

[Cobalt]

Why have you failed to grasp that it is against the law in most states to privately form a militia? Why have you failed to graso that they think themselves avbove the law, and that they are, thus, incapable of performing one of the chief functions of a militia, which is to preserve the rule of law?

Because you haven't proven any of this. You interpret the law one way and say, "See, it's clearly so!" when it isn't.

I have mostly dealt with several congress critters on this matter, to encourage them to raise the act of forming a militia to a federal felony and to add another layer to the organized militia just so that the fools would not have any claim to legitimacy and that there would be a force on the ground and in their faces to prevent their acting out.

And I'm sure they're getting right on it huh.

And I am trained to use them.

And that's partially concerning.

And I, unlike mister tofu-for-brains out in Idaho, have actually served in the military.

Cheers. I honestly appreciate that.

I am far more fit to command than that turd or his whackadoodle buddies.

That's arguable, based on your incorrect interpretation of laws.

Bunch of losers blaming liberals because the rightwhackers sent their jobs overseas.

Your assertion.

Stupid little twits.

Classy as always.

Notivce how much the sheriff trusts them to keep the narrow end down range?

Oh, so classy.

The 21st Light Foot are domestic enemies. and had best not convince anyone they intend to use those weapns any time soon.

You've still yet to prove this.

 

[jsfisher]

Ya know, a militia can be strictly defensive in nature. If a group of people band together in the practice of self-defense, maybe to learn some first aid and survival skills, and maybe even (for demonstration purposes only, of course) the uses of explosives, that would qualify as a private militia. They'd probably call themselves a rifle and gun club, though.

Lefty, you're a member of a rifle and gun club, aren't you?