Banned Book:The Hoax of the Twentieth Century

[fuelair]

Nazis are alive and festering all over the world.
QED.

Deutschland Unter alles1

 

[fuelair]

One of my profs once said, "Killing Nazis. A good thing then, and STILL a good thing."

Goood? It's GRRRRRRRREAT!!!

 

[Corsair 115]

http://vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/
This book debunks the alleged "holocaust" and was first published back in 1976. It is written by Arthur Butz. It is banned in Austria, Canada, France, Germany, Poland, Switzerland and other countries...

Just wondering, but in regards to the bolded, has any actual evidence showing the book has been banned in the listed nations been offered? Or are we just to accept the OP's claim that the book has indeed been banned in those nations?

 

[fuelair]

Killing is such a terminal word.
I would take each to the local pound, and have it put to sleep.
Not when the cast-off pets are being euthanized of course, we would have to show the pets some respect.
Then the trash goes to the local land fill... or river if there is one.

That certainly has merit - just more humane than they deserve.

What with being unhuman slime.

 

[Sceptic-PK]

This is what sets a free nation, such as the United States, apart from those wretched nations mentioned in the OP, that have no idea what freedom is really about.

How's that Patriot Act working out for ya?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

You just advocated violently mutilating anyone who expresses a belief that you don't agree with, and you're the one calling others “deranged”?

Bob, if I may play devils(?) advocate here for a moment, how would you feel if someone told you that Haun's Mill Massacre, the Seige at Far West or the Extermination Order never happened... that we made it all up?

For me, those who deny the Holocaust are identical in thought and spirit to the authors of the bloodshed at Carthage. I don't see them as "people who believe differently" I see them as "the enemy".

 

[JFrankA]

Have you read the book?

If so, what is to laugh about?

I, for one, tend to find racist propaganda and history manufacturing quite amusing, that's all. Buuut, that's just me, I guess.

Regardless of that, you should be happy. I am defending your side: the book should not be banned.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You just advocated violently mutilating anyone who expresses a belief that you don't agree with, and you're the one calling others “deranged”?

Bob, if I may play devils(?) advocate here for a moment, how would you feel if someone told you that Haun's Mill Massacre, the Seige at Far West or the Extermination Order never happened... that we made it all up?

For me, those who deny the Holocaust are identical in thought and spirit to the authors of the bloodshed at Carthage. I don't see them as "people who believe differently" I see them as "the enemy".

I have to disagree with you. There is a difference between knowingly participating in a crime, and, decades later, not believing that the crime actually took place.

Those who deny the holocaust are not comparable to those who carried out the crimes of which you speak. The Holocaust-related counterparts to “the authors of the bloodshed at Carthage” —as well as the other related crimes, the Haun's Mill Massacre, the Seige at Far West, the Extermination Order, and the many other similar crimes that were perpetrated in that time against our people — are those who actually participated in the Holocaust, who participated in rounding up and murdering the millions that the Nazis deemed “undesirable”.

Someone who denies that the Haun's Mill Massacre, the Seige at Far West, the Extermination Order or the murders at Carthage took place is equivalent to a Holocaust denier. In either case, such a person is only exercising his natural right to hold and express a belief, even if that belief goes against popular opinion. In neither case does this make the person in question equivalent to those who actually perpetrated these crimes.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

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They could be collected and concentrated in one area.
And leased out.
Say to cosmetics firms, interested in testing new skin creams etc. who are concerned about lethal effects of new stuff.
Using a few of these saves the valuable rabbits and rats for the testing of materials found non-lethal.

And the survivors could be sold to hunting preserves.

This is starting to come together.

 

[secrets]

"The Diary of Anne Frank" a historical report? You might want to research that.

No, I said it was "first hand account". You might want to re read that.

 

[secrets]

You just advocated violently mutilating anyone who expresses a belief that you don't agree with, and you're the one calling others “deranged”?

Saying and doing are very different things. This was a form of expression to display my contempt for deniers of the Holocaust, I would never do this to another human being.
Unlike some.

 

[I Ratant]

And the survivors could be sold to hunting preserves.

This is starting to come together.

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Any residue could be compressed into blocks, and labeled...
RSF...
for Rendered Skinhead Fat. Not for human or animal use.

 

[sadhatter]

A few points.

One, i can download any banned book or c.d. i want ( i am in canada and have most of skrewdrivers music. Not that i support thier ideology but the music is really hard core. I find racist music hilarious, the boondocks episode about Jimmy Rebel killed me as much as legitimate racist music. ) so in no way shape or form am i being kept from these ideas. My government just chooses not to help neo nazi's promote themselves.

Second, my grandfather was in holland ( lived there, moved here) at the time and had some pretty nasty stories about the holocaust. Keep in mind my family is not the most open minded folks on the planet, what the hell would be his reasoning for perpetuating the holocaust myth?

Third, the word " punk" was not used to describe people who fought against convention nor a style of music till about 1980 or so. ( in fact it was used for a completely different reason to describe someone who gave oral sex for cigarettes in prison. ) Using holocaust denial logic one could prove punk rock was a hoax.

 

[Budly]

Holocaust denial in the USA is very legal. And yet, there are more than 6 million Jews here.

Explain that, tough guy.

you have two possibilities:

#1. the Jews WANT to make Holocaust denial illegal in the USA, but do not have enough power to achieve this goal.

#2. the Jews DO have the power to make Holocaust denial illegal in the USA, but respect freedom of speech enough to allow it to take place.

what say you, smart guy?

Holocaust-denial is also legal in Brazil and Argentina, both countries with large Jewish populations. Explain that?

Your questions are a silly attempt at diversion (and thus your opponent has no obligation to answer them) from the real issue which is, "why do these laws need to exist in the first place?" A nation creates laws to protect its citizens. What exactly are these laws protecting Belgians, Germans, Austrians, Hungarians, Romanians, Poles, French, etc. from?

 

[dudalb]

Your questions are a silly attempt at diversion (and thus your opponent has no obligation to answer them) from the real issue which is, "why do these laws need to exist in the first place?" A nation creates laws to protect its citizens. What exactly are these laws protecting Belgians, Germans, Austrians, Hungarians, Romanians, Poles, French, etc. from?

And setting up your own rules for debate on JREF. How is that working out for you?

 

[Thunder]

Your questions are a silly attempt at diversion

you claim that the Jews are against free speech, and yet I provided you with several countries that have very large Jewish populations, where Holocaust denial is not a crime.

Rather than explain this situation, which obviously runs counter to your argument, you call it a "diversion".

Very good, Cloudstrife, you stay classy.

 

[timhau]

you claim that the Jews are against free speech, and yet I provided you with several countries that have very large Jewish populations, where Holocaust denial is not a crime.

... which he countered with a list of countries where Holocaust denial is (supposedly) a crime, and which used to have fairly large Jewish populations before ... well, you know.

 

[Rrose Selavy]

Third, the word " punk" was not used to describe people who fought against convention nor a style of music till about 1980 or so. .

Maybe not where you were but I can assure you eg here in the Uk it was in general use for the acquired meaning much earlier than 1980

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock#Etymology

Though I get your point.
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[Budly]

you claim that the Jews are against free speech,

When did I ever claim that Jews are against free speech?

and yet I provided you with several countries that have very large Jewish populations, where Holocaust denial is not a crime.

When did I ever claim that a country with a large Jewish population must have a Holocaust denial law?

Rather than explain this situation, which obviously runs counter to your argument, you call it a "diversion".

Very good, Cloudstrife, you stay classy.

You are diverting. The points (many of which you fail to substantiate and are in fact irrelevant even if true) and questions you have raised in your post to the OP do not address the real issue at hand, which is "why are these laws needed in the first place?"

 

[Sabrina]

There were no holocaust movies in the 1940's, 50's or 60's and then circa 1974 Did Six Million Really Die? (www.zundelsite.org/harwood/didsix00.html ) was published. Then in 1976 came The Hoax of the Twentieth Century. After these two works started to gain attention the "Holocaust" mini series was first broadcast in 1978. This opened the floodgates to an avalanche of holocaust propaganda so that not a week goes by without a movie, tv show or documentary about the subject. Total overkill. The victims of Stalin vastly outnumber those of Hitler but there is no comparable amount of film or tv time for them.

Bolded incorrect part; there is at least one surviving film shot by British soldiers of the liberation of a concentration camp. The stark reality of the Holocaust will slap you in the face if you dare to view it and see the skeletal figures of the prisoners there contrasted with the well-fed, well-dressed guards, not to mention the piles of dead that had to be thrown into a mass grave because there simply wasn't time to sort them all out.

Unless you're simply referring to Hollywood films, in which case I have to applaud Hollywood for at least once in history not being crass enough to capitalize on one of the worst atrocities known to man right after it happened.