New "legal" "drug"

Dr. John W. Huffman, an organic chemist at Clemson University, synthesizes analogues and metabolites of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the principal active component of marijuana. JWH-018 is one of these analogues, with studies showing an affinity for the cannabinoid brain (CB1) receptor five times greater than that of THC.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018
I wonder -- does JWH stand for "Jehovah's Witness High"?

ETA: Oh, John W. Huffman. Nevermind...
 
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They sell this stuff around here at most smokes shops. Personally I would stay away from this kind of stuff.

I would just like to point out that this is the kind of crap that we end up with specifically because of the war on drugs. If weed was legal people wouldn't be running around trying to create legal versions and selling them as "incense" (which is how it's sold around here, you are told not to smoke it but people do anyway as it's just a end run around the law).
 
Oh yeah, I'll run out and buy and consume something that "may cause negative effects that are generally not noted in marijuana users, such as increased agitation and vomiting".

This world needs more increased agitation and vomiting.

But I do agree with NewtonTrino that if the real thing were available, people wouldn't need to poison themselves with this stuff.
 
The first time I smoked marijuana (high school, several decades ago, boss) I experienced increased agitation and vomiting. While I understand that this reaction is atypical, it may be just as atypical in JWH-18 smokers.

I am voting "Yes" on Proposition 19 in California this November. I understand Maine has a similar initiative in the pipeline. I don't know if it will pass or not, and I'm not really looking to take up the habit myself (my lungs wouldn't approve), but I think the lessons learned during Prohibition should certainly apply here.
 
bokonon said:
The first time I smoked marijuana (high school, several decades ago, boss) I experienced increased agitation and vomiting. While I understand that this reaction is atypical, it may be just as atypical in JWH-18 smokers.
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You didn't smoke a joint or something else that may have had tobacco in it did you? Not saying you can't get sick on weed btw.
 
NewtonTrino said:
You didn't smoke a joint or something else that may have had tobacco in it did you? Not saying you can't get sick on weed btw.
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No, no tobacco, no angel dust, just weed and paper, and the weed in those days wasn't particularly potent. We were in the car, so there was probably a motion sickness component, and a nervousness component. I did subsequently smoke without vomiting, but my first time was definitely not a pleasant experience. Ah, youth...
 
bit_pattern said:
People should be aware that these new cannabinoid compounds are likely to be highly carcinogenic. Stick to weed.
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They are THC analogue. Whether they are more or less carcinogenics is really not foreseeable.

The method of absorption certainly seem to provide more carcinogenics substance than normal cannabis smoking, but not the compound themselves.
 
Any "new" synthesised drugs should be approached with caution, particularly when we know that the cannabinoid system is widespread and integral to the human body and brain. Whole cannabis has shown very few (comparitively) long term side effects but synthetics could and likely will be a whole different ball game.

Looks like the age of designer drugs has really arrived.
 
It's just a bunch of random herbs and incensey plants they spray these synthetic cannibanoids onto. However carcinogenic incense smoke is (and I really don't know) should be a rough guideline for Spice/K2. Basically you're smoking incense soaked in some mysterious synthetic cannibanoid mixture. I doubt they stick extra benzene or formaldehyde in there just for kicks.. the majority of the potential carcinogens in, say, tobacco are shared by weed and burning plants in general. Tobacco of course does win the prize for having the most polonium-210 and lead-210 in it, which I personally conjecture to be a significant factor.

Spice costs 10x as much as pot and it's just a pot ripoff, not to mention tastes much worse, so I'd say the market here is limited regardless of health concerns.

To nvidiot above, I don't think it's super new, various such products have been here and there for 3ish years I think but with no regulation, various producers, and no real connoisseurs as yet who knows how the formula may or may not be changing.

Oh, and as I wrote above, "Spice" seems to be a common term for the stuff, its "street name" or whatever. Though of course it's not sold in the street..
 
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Busily being outlawed as we speak. At least locally. Typical reaction..."It's new, it's a drug, it must be outlawed."
I don't recall any of the legislators who are busy railing against the stuff citing any clinical studies as to toxicity or effects....There may not be any yet.
As NVidiot says, legislation may have a hard time keeping up with ever-changing synthesized drugs.
 
I still don't see the "logic" of "it makes you high? It should be illegal!!!" that seems to run through people's minds.

I understand checking on the dangers of a new drug, and it should be tested, but out-and-out knee jerk reaction of "ban it because it makes you high" is ridiculous.
 
I've moved a few posts to AAH because of rule 1. "You will not post anything that can be considered to be potentially criminal." This is kind of marshy ground here, I admit, but advocating breaking laws (and marijuana is illegal in most places in the US) is against forum rules. I realize that some of these posts were jokes and some were responses to the joke posts, but the JREF has to steer clear of anything that might cause legal issues, such promoting the use of illegal drugs.

I apologize to those who lost posts and encourgage you to be very very careful about your wording when posting on this thread.

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Tricky said:
I've moved a few posts to AAH because of rule 1. "You will not post anything that can be considered to be potentially criminal." This is kind of marshy ground here, I admit, but advocating breaking laws (and marijuana is illegal in most places in the US) is against forum rules. I realize that some of these posts were jokes and some were responses to the joke posts, but the JREF has to steer clear of anything that might cause legal issues, such promoting the use of illegal drugs.

I apologize to those who lost posts and encourgage you to be very very careful about your wording when posting on this thread.

Thank you
Tricky
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Oh, go contract a qualifying medical condition, move to a state or nation with appropriate medical THC laws, get a perscription from a qualified physician, smoke a bowl and chill out.
 
bokonon said:
The first time I smoked marijuana (high school, several decades ago, boss) I experienced increased agitation and vomiting. While I understand that this reaction is atypical, it may be just as atypical in JWH-18 smokers.
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When I tried it back in High School ( 16 years ago ) I always experienced nausea when I'd smoke it in paper (joint), but I had no problems with it when I used a pipe or bong... I guess it was something in the paper.

It always put me straight to sleep, so my fun with marijuana didn't last too long.

I do fully support legalizing it.
 
NewtonTrino said:
They sell this stuff around here at most smokes shops. Personally I would stay away from this kind of stuff.

I would just like to point out that this is the kind of crap that we end up with specifically because of the war on drugs. If weed was legal people wouldn't be running around trying to create legal versions and selling them as "incense" (which is how it's sold around here, you are told not to smoke it but people do anyway as it's just a end run around the law).
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It was sold as "incense" here in Kansas for awhile but has now been outlawed.
I'm not suprised people switched to this; Kansas pot is really bad...or so I've heard. :D
 
TheDevilCried said:
About how much would an OZ of this stuff run me ?
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Lol you're thinking of the convenience of an illegal drug, you don't be buying no weird legal **** "by the ounce". You're lookin' at $35 per gram fool, that's us law-abiding white people in lab coats making that **** who'd you think? Lab coats don't come cheap, even if they do noone's wearin' one unless you wanna pay.

Sadly it's only comparable to weed if someone really wants to argue the matter. I suppose I'd say that high is like if you'd eaten some brownies or whatnot, all body no head y'know? But the duration is like regular pot smoking, so the thing it's most like (brownies) it's inferior to, and more expensive. Seriously all-natural peanut butter and a day off isn't so hard to come by.
 
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