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According to Rudy's Motivation document he said he got them from the bathroom.

Exactly!! Can all of the comments about Rudy Guede running right out the front door from the murder room stop now? He admitted that he left the murder room at least twice. He was in the bathroom to get the towels. He could have easily gone into the bathroom to wash off his bloody shoe.

This talking point is almost as bad as the shoe print on the pillow.

1. There was NO shoe print attributed to Amanda in the murder room.

2. Rudy did NOT run right out of the cottage from the murder room.

Okay, I am so happy that we have cleared up these small details.
 
I think your Battistelli theory makes a lot of sense, especially since we can now be pretty certain that he has a somewhat...ahem..."revisionist" view of his actions between 1pm and 2pm on the 2nd November.

And Mignini's line of questioning was, in my view, intended to plant in the jury's minds that 1) Knox's lamp was in Meredith's room, and 2) this might have been part of the motivation for Sollecito trying to break the door down - all without directly asking Knox if she had taken the lamp there herself. I suspect he was hoping that the jury might make that subliminal (but erroneous) connection themselves......

I wonder if the defence in the appeal will bring up Battistelli's seemingly improper activities at the crime scene? After all, what else might he have contaminated, then kept quiet about? It could be rather important.

Yes, I agree 100% about Mignini's questions. None of them were about the lamp actually being moved and whether Amanda was the one to do it; they were all simply about it being in the room (was it her lamp, did she notice it missing, is that why they tried to break the door down?). IIRC the only other time it made an appearance is in the 'cartoon' the prosecution showed at the end of the trial, when I think they may actually have shown the Amanda figure taking it into Meredith's room. An extremely underhand tactic, given that it was never introduced as evidence.

It's interesting to read the account at Perugia Shock of Battistelli's testimony, and how uncomfortable he was on the stand...

He was already nervous when he was right, about the cellphones. Now he's agitated, he loses his temper all the time, shaking his head and body as if he was trying to escape from a nightmare, interrupting the questions with excuses for trying not to answer, like loud Counselor, it's stuff of one year and and a half ago!, tyring to kill the interrogation with I don't knows in a series, stating that he even doesn't remember who wrote on a piece of paper the two Meredith's numbers, now. Now he even doesn't remember if there was a piece of paper. He even doesn't remembers if there were two cellphones anymore. He can't help anymore or he doesn't want to help. He doesn't remember anything.
 
Oops, forgot to add, Rudy went back to Meredith's room to find the right set of keys and needed to shed some more light on the situation, no pun intended.

One other thing. Rudy's bloody left shoe prints were found on the pillowcase under Meredith's body, correct? And it was bloody left shoe prints trailing down the hall, correct? So, Rudy stepped in blood with his left shoe before Meredith was pulled onto the pillow. Or, at least, his left bloody shoe came into contact with the pillowcase. Did all the blood get wiped off on the pillowcase and then he stepped again in blood with his left shoe before he left the room and trailed blood down the hall?

The shoe prints on the pillow are very faint, much more so than the ones leading down the corridor. They were only visible under a Crimescope, which is a special lighting source.

My hypothesis is as follows: After Meredith ceased to struggle, Guede moved her body and put the pillow under her buttocks. That is when he made the faint shoe marks on the pillow. At some point he went into the bathroom and removed his shoe while washing it and/or his foot under the bidet. That is when he left his bare footprint on the mat and blood in the drain of the bidet. Then, just before exiting the cottage altogether, he stepped in a puddle of blood and left a clear trail of shoe prints that started in Meredith's room, near the foot of her bed, and proceeded down the corridor toward the exit.

As for the towels, he may have found them in Meredith's room rather than the bathroom. As far as I can tell from the photos, there was no towel rack in that bathroom.
 
I don't agree that a necessary corollary of Knox's DNA being on the kitchen knife handle is that Meredith's DNA should have been there too. After all, if Knox had been holding the knife by the handle, and had stabbed Meredith in such a way that the blade didn't fully penetrate the skin, then it's feasible that Knox's skin-cell DNA might be on the handle, with Meredith's blood DNA confined solely to the blade.

However........all of this is overridden by the fact that the knife tested negative for blood on the blade, and yet Meredith's DNA was apparently found there. This goes against every rule in the forensics handbook, and in fact points towards contamination (at least).

As has been pointed out many times previously, the knife blade would have been drenched in Meredith's blood during the attack (if it were indeed one of the murder weapons). So for the police to have found it in the condition it was found, it must have been cleaned extensively after the attack. The prosecution is claiming that this cleaning process was sufficient to remove all traces of Meredith's blood from the blade, but insufficient to remove very small traces of her DNA. Furthermore, the prosecution claims that bleach was used to clean the knife, yet we know that bleach would have denatured and broken down all DNA on the blade (as well as breaking down all red blood cells).

Plus, as you say, Knox's DNA on the knife handle is in no way probative towards her, since she had handled Sollecito's kitchen knife in the course of normal cooking/washing activities in his apartment. So the only thing linking the knife to the murder is the minute trace of Meredith's DNA on the blade, which is unreliable evidence to say the least.

The last piece in the puzzle is of course that the DNA lab was going way outside its competency in its quest to find Meredith's DNA, and ended up conducting LCN analysis under conditions of insufficient air sterility, in the absence of control samples or repeatability. I strongly believe that, for all these reasons, the kitchen knife evidence will be thrown out in the appeal.

You make many excellent points about the knife. I truly believe the knife will be thrown out on appeal. Raffaele's kitchen knife had nothing to do with this murder.

Regarding the handle,

Keep in mind, the court believes that Raffaele's large kitchen knife was the weapon that made the fatal wound. There is no possible way that the handle of the knife was somehow shielded from that amount of blood. There was blood spatter on the wardrobe. There would have certainly been blood deposited on a handle that was connected to the knife that made the fatal wound. Cleaning off the blood without cleaning off Amanda's DNA would have been impossible.
 
Speaking of the bathmat print, I was thinking it's curious that all the shoe prints are from Rudy's left foot, but the footprint on the bathmat is from a bare right foot. Wonder if he could've lost a shoe at some point during the struggle and stepped in blood with both feet at the same time, wearing just one of his shoes? I think that then, as Rose suggested in an earlier post, he sat at the end of the bed to take his other shoe off (to rinse it, or because he didn't want to leave more prints), hopped through to the bathroom, holding onto the door frame for balance (leaving the blood there) and tried to wash his foot in the sink. Then overbalanced, leaving the print on the mat, and washed his foot in the bidet instead.

The main reason I have trouble with the theory he took his shoe off in the bathroom to rinse it is that if he was rinsing it, it must've had blood on it already, and if it had blood on it there should've been prints. Though I can see ways it might've been possible (blood on top of his shoe etc).

Another thing is that the print itself was a mixture of blood and water, suggesting that the person had already tried rinsing their foot when they made it. If so, shouldn't there also have been a print on the mat from when they first walked into the bathroom, and before they washed their foot? The mat was right in front of the sink and bidet, so they would've naturally stood on it unless they were avoiding doing so. So either they were trying not to leave a print there (in which case, it stands to reason they'd have avoided leaving prints on the way in too) or they got blood on their foot somehow whilst in the bathroom (standing on a towel etc).
 
It has been posted many times that Rudy ran right out the front door so there was no way that he could have stopped in the bathroom to cleanup, leaving the footprint on the bathmat.

If this was indeed the case, how did Rudy get the towels?

The girls have their own towels, they keep them in thier own rooms. Remember Amanda, had to do her blue mat hop to her room, because she forgot her towel.
 
As for the towels, he may have found them in Meredith's room rather than the bathroom. As far as I can tell from the photos, there was no towel rack in that bathroom.

It's extremely unlikely there wouldn't be at least one hand towel in a bathroom, though. Perhaps there was a towel rack on the back of the door? If Rudy says he fetched two from there, Amanda and Meredith may each have had a hand towel in there.

I also see no reason for Rudy to lie about getting them from the bathroom (unless perhaps trying to account for traces he may have left, but then I think many of those traces were left by him going to fetch the towels in the first place).
 
Raffaele's kitchen knife had nothing to do with Meredith's murder.

This point has been brought up but not addressed. The simple fact that Meredith's blood was not found on the handle of the knife proves that Amanda's DNA found on the handle was not deposited there at the time of the murder.


If Amanda's DNA was deposited on the knife handle during the attack, why wasn't any blood from Meredith found on the handle? If Amanda's DNA was deposited on the knife handle at the time of Meredith's death, Meredith's blood would have certainly been on the handle.

If you claim that the blood was cleaned off the handle then that cleaning process would have certainly cleaned off Amanda's DNA.

This fact proves that Amanda's DNA was deposited on the knife handle at another time. Most likely when she used the knife to prepare food in Raffaele's kitchen.

There is no logical scenario to connect Amanda's DNA on the handle with Meredith's murder.


I have always felt the same about that knife, it was not used in the murder but brought to the house during the cleanup / staging faze of the murder, that would explain so very much about the knife, how it got to the house and why, and why it was not discarded but cleaned and put back in the drawer.

Enough already about these meals Amanda prepares for RS. He is or was her man slave, he prepares the meals, he washes her hair and cleans her ears. I have never read one instance where it states she ever prepared any meal for him, it is always Rafelle made supper or lunch, she is a eating machine, not a cook.
 
Exactly!! Can all of the comments about Rudy Guede running right out the front door from the murder room stop now? He admitted that he left the murder room at least twice. He was in the bathroom to get the towels. He could have easily gone into the bathroom to wash off his bloody shoe.

This talking point is almost as bad as the shoe print on the pillow.

1. There was NO shoe print attributed to Amanda in the murder room.

2. Rudy did NOT run right out of the cottage from the murder room.

Okay, I am so happy that we have cleared up these small details.


Rudy's footprints go only one way, straight to the front door, when those were made, he did not turn and go back unless you would have him go to the front door, and remove his shoes, whick actually is a lot more likely for him locking Meredith's door than the video you made. Now you only need a good reason fot him to remove his shoes at the front door.....
 
The keys to the boys downstairs doors were found inexplicably in Amanda's room

The "two keys connected by a ring" found in Amanda's room was simultaneously reported by Perugia Shock and la Republica (italian) on Nov. 14, 2007. The report claims that the keys were found in Amanda's room on the 6th. This would have been the search conduced in Amanda's room by Superintendent Gubbiotti.

What's notable is that there is no mention of these keys in Massie's epic motivations report (though maybe it will be included in the english translation).

Did Gubbiotti actually find these keys and the prosecution decided to not present this evidence? Or, did Gubbiotti just make up this story to feed more "Amanda is guilty" sentiment to the press?
 
Speaking of the bathmat print, I was thinking it's curious that all the shoe prints are from Rudy's left foot, but the footprint on the bathmat is from a bare right foot. Wonder if he could've lost a shoe at some point during the struggle and stepped in blood with both feet at the same time, wearing just one of his shoes? I think that then, as Rose suggested in an earlier post, he sat at the end of the bed to take his other shoe off (to rinse it, or because he didn't want to leave more prints), hopped through to the bathroom, holding onto the door frame for balance (leaving the blood there) and tried to wash his foot in the sink. Then overbalanced, leaving the print on the mat, and washed his foot in the bidet instead.

The main reason I have trouble with the theory he took his shoe off in the bathroom to rinse it is that if he was rinsing it, it must've had blood on it already, and if it had blood on it there should've been prints. Though I can see ways it might've been possible (blood on top of his shoe etc).

Another thing is that the print itself was a mixture of blood and water, suggesting that the person had already tried rinsing their foot when they made it. If so, shouldn't there also have been a print on the mat from when they first walked into the bathroom, and before they washed their foot? The mat was right in front of the sink and bidet, so they would've naturally stood on it unless they were avoiding doing so. So either they were trying not to leave a print there (in which case, it stands to reason they'd have avoided leaving prints on the way in too) or they got blood on their foot somehow whilst in the bathroom (standing on a towel etc).

Remember the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy: we don't need to bend over backwards to construct a story about how every single drop of blood ended up exactly where it did. It's enough that we know that Rudy made one or possibly two trips in and out of the bathroom to clean the blood from himself and possibly get towels, and that this satisfactorily explains any Rudy-size footprints or blood drops in those areas. He could have hopped, ran or bounced upside-down on his head back and forth between the two rooms for all we will ever know with certainty.
 
Comments on a recent edict from another self-appointed "expert truth-seeker" and "voice of reason", Peter Quennell, on TJMK (direct quotes in bold italics):

"Although very under-reported by an American media that wants to give her every possible break, Amanda Knox was a KNOWN drug user back in Seattle. And around Perugia, the perception of people who encountered Knox and Sollecito is that she was close to becoming or was already a cocaine addict. The same with Sollecito. They are still both referred to as coke-heads."

Really? "Perception"? "KNOWN"? "Cocaine addict"? "coke-heads"?

First: in reference to Seattle, is this "expert truth-seeker" referring to Knox's known cannabis/hash use, but hiding that within references to cocaine in order to mislead the reader into inferring that Knox was a known cocaine user in Seattle? Surely that wouldn't be his motivation, would it.....?

Second: time to put up or shut up about Knox/Sollecito's cocaine use in Perugia, let alone this stuff about addiction or the "coke-head" appellation. Who are these people who "know" this information? Why wasn't it mentioned in the trial? Until there's decent, accredited evidence that Knox and/or Sollecito were habitual cocaine users, we can discount all this as bogus rumour-mongering. Nothing more or less than that.

"And this possible drug addict was already down to her last $5,000 or so, and she may have already lost the waitress job which she desperately needed."

Yeah, I can imagine that it's really really hard to get a casual waitressing or bar-flier-distribution job in a university town. It's not like Knox could have found another similar job if she'd really needed the money now, is it? And down to her last $5,000 - sounds like she was really desperate, doesn't it?

"This could have been making her desperate and dangerous. Prosecutor Mignini and Judge Micheli both seemed to think it was she that stole Meredith’s rent money which went missing on the night of the murder."

Strangely, this "expert truth-seeker" neglects to point out that even Miginini (the actual trial judge, the one that mattered) seemed not to agree with Mignini or Micheli on this issue. I can only imagine that this was an inadvertent omission, since I can't begin to imagine that this information was omitted deliberately, in order to further mislead....

"Paul Knight’s report makes it very clear that EVEN IF THEY WANT TO and it seems they very rarely do, the US State Department and the US Embassies and the FBI will NOT get involved in foreign crimes involving Americans when drugs are one of the factors. This probably helps explain the cool attitude toward Knox’s case of the American Embassy in Rome, of Hillary Clinton and the State Department in Washington, and increasingly of Washington Senator Maria Cantwell."

Neither the US State Department, nor the US Embassy & Consulate in Italy, nor the US Department of Justice, nor the FBI, had (or have) any right, obligation or necessity to meddle in the judicial affairs of another sovereign state. The drugs factor (true or not) has absolutely nothing to do with it. Quite some search for true justice going on here, when facts are distorted, conveniently omitted, or flat-out misinterpreted in order to bolster a particular position.
 
Well, firstly, I don't think that the bloody footprint on the bathmat was the result of the foot "soaked in blood". The actual print was very faint, whereas many of the crime scene photos show the print post-enhancement.

As to how it got there, it's quite possible that, for example, Guede got Meredith's blood on his trouser leg during the attack, as well as over his hands and his top. It's then possible that he took one or both of his tennis shoes off in order to wash the blood off his trousers (and his hands and top) using either the shower or the bidet. I suspect that he might have used the shower. And therefore a blood/water mix would have pooled in the shower pan (or the bidet). Guede could then have placed the sole of his foot into this blood/water mixture, and stepped onto the bathmat - thereby leaving the whole footprint trace in a weak mixture of blood and water.

At this point, I'll speculate further. I suspect that Guede might have realised that he needed to use one of the towels in the small bathroom to dry off his feet and hands. He may not have realised the probative value of the weak footprint on the mat, but might have cleaned up other blood/water drops from the tiled floor. Having soiled one of the towels, he might therefore have decided to take it into the murder room to soak it in Meredith's blood, in order to mask its original use.

All this time, his tennis shoes would have remained unsoiled - probably on the bathroom floor or in the hallway. I suspect that Guede put his shoes on just before his intended exit from the house via the door, but found the door locked. He therefore went back into Merdith's room wearing the shoes - during which time he moved Meredith's body (leaving the shoeprints on the pillowcase, and placing Meredith on top of the pillow), located and removed her keys from her handbag (together with the phones and credit cards), and inadvertently stepped in the now-pooling blood on the floor. He then tracked this blood out towards the front door.

Well first of all, there is evidence, that RG paniced (see his bloody hand smears).So should I believe in a scenario, where a person, whos`s transforming within a few seconds from a brutal butcher into a panicing and scared person, who, in his state of panic, is doing an intensive washing of his trousers and body, with no evidence to back that up, just for the sake, that the bloody footprint on the bathmat must be his, because, if it wasn`t, that would contradict the basic assumption, that he alone is responsible?
Or should I believe in a scenario:

-in which multiple attackers participate, which was suggested by the coroner, backed up by, though highly contested, forensics and accepted by the judges and jury, of which the one, who wasn`t responsible for the fatal stabbing panics and tries to "stop" the bleeding by using towels. If you take a look on how bloody these towles were, it is hard to believe, that these were just used to clean up some blood, but rather to stop blood, which came from a serious wound.

-in which RG didn`t go to the bathroom, as there`s no evidence to suggest that. There was a bloody footprint on the bathmat, which was attributed to RS in terms of dimesnions and not RG and there`s other evidence, that suggests, that this footprint isn`t RGs:
  • there were luminol enhanced bare footprints (which didn`t match RGs) found in the cottage, which suggests, that there was a clean-up of bloody bare footprints. This would be consistent with the fact, that there was someone with blood on his barefeet, as seen on the bathmat and that there was obviously a clean up. Evidence for that clean up, for example:

  • Where is the heel print of the bathmat print, that must be on the floor?
  • I think noone here denies, that the murderer/s washed off blood in the bathroom (blood on the light switch and on the tap, for example). The bathmat print is suggesting, that the amount of blood to be washed off wasn`t small. I can`t see, how it is possible to wash off that amount of blood and just leave that little blood smear in the sink. This, and the fact, that the blood smear in the sink had a sharp edge leads me to the suggestion, that the sink was also cleaned from blood.
  • The break-in, which, in my opinion and also in that of the jury, was staged, is also consistent with covering tracks (i.e. a clean-up for example)
  • In conclusion, I can`t see, why the covering of tracks in the way of shown above, would make any sense for the panicing RG, but rather for RS and AK.
  • Then there are four samples of mixed DNA from AK and in the form of blood from MK. Well I`m not a DNA scientist and I don`t know, what a common amount of DNA spots is of a person, who regularly uses a bathroom. I also don`t know, how easy it is, that DNA from blood, that accidentally falls on an other DNA spot got mixed with it. But somehow I have the feeling, that the probability, that blood which gets cleaned off the body of a third persons falls four times accidentally on four different DNA spots of a person, who regularly uses the bathroom, and gets mixed up four times with it, isn`t that high. So, this, for me, is another indicator, that RG wasn`t in the bathroom, but two others.

For me, the second scenario makes much more sense and I`m not willing to spin the facts around and create implausible theories just for the goal, that RG is the only responsible person.
 
Speaking of the bathmat print, I was thinking it's curious that all the shoe prints are from Rudy's left foot, but the footprint on the bathmat is from a bare right foot. Wonder if he could've lost a shoe at some point during the struggle and stepped in blood with both feet at the same time, wearing just one of his shoes? I think that then, as Rose suggested in an earlier post, he sat at the end of the bed to take his other shoe off (to rinse it, or because he didn't want to leave more prints), hopped through to the bathroom, holding onto the door frame for balance (leaving the blood there) and tried to wash his foot in the sink. Then overbalanced, leaving the print on the mat, and washed his foot in the bidet instead.

The main reason I have trouble with the theory he took his shoe off in the bathroom to rinse it is that if he was rinsing it, it must've had blood on it already, and if it had blood on it there should've been prints. Though I can see ways it might've been possible (blood on top of his shoe etc).
Another thing is that the print itself was a mixture of blood and water, suggesting that the person had already tried rinsing their foot when they made it. If so, shouldn't there also have been a print on the mat from when they first walked into the bathroom, and before they washed their foot? The mat was right in front of the sink and bidet, so they would've naturally stood on it unless they were avoiding doing so. So either they were trying not to leave a print there (in which case, it stands to reason they'd have avoided leaving prints on the way in too) or they got blood on their foot somehow whilst in the bathroom (standing on a towel etc).

I think it's also very possible that the blood wasn't actually on Guede's shoe, but instead on his trouser (pants) leg. Logically, if he were trying to remove blood from his trouser leg using either the bidet or the shower, he'd have removed one or both of his shoes.

If this was indeed the case, it would explain the lack of Guede's bloody shoeprints leading from Meredith's room to the small bathroom - since at this point there would have been no blood on his shoe at all. It would also explain the footprint in the blood/water mixture made on the bathmat, since Guede's bare foot could easily have dipped into the blood/water mix that pooled in the pan of the bidet or shower, and he could have then stepped off onto the bathmat.

My personal belief is that Guede may have actually used the shower to clean blood from his trousers (and top and hands/arms and knife), since it would be easier to work with a detachable spray shower head than with the fixed tap of the bidet. I believe that he may have moved the mat over to the shower area while doing so. I say this because the footprint on the mat is not in the right place for either the bidet or the shower. It would also make sense that he would be standing with his right foot placed on the floor of the shower pan, which would be how the blood/water mixture could have got onto the sole of his right foot. He might then have stepped out of the shower pan in order to rinse all the blood/water mix out of the shower, and in doing so he may have left his blood/water footprint on the bathmat. Just a thought, though.
 
Oh, by the way, someone with a brilliantly forensic mind over at PMF has posted an "amusing" critique of Knox's testimony regarding the bathmat. This person seems pretty certain that the bathmat had been in the same position in front of the sink for an extended period of time prior to 1pm on the 2nd November. He uses this "fact" to challenge Knox's assertion that she used the bathmat on the morning of the 2nd to get to and from her room, and that she then replaced the mat in the position in which it was found by the police.

However.......what this brilliant forensic mind fails to appreciate is that the blood/water footprint on the bathmat makes no sense whatsoever unless the mat was in a different position at some point between the murder and 1pm on the 2nd. The position and orientation of the footprint on the mat as it was found by the police is totally inconsistent with somebody stepping out of the shower or bidet and onto the mat. The only way in which it makes any sense at all is if the mat was in a different position when the footprint was made - somewhere close to the shower or bidet, and rotated through either 90 or 180 degrees.

Note that this bathmat positioning argument stands totally independent of any argument around who made that print (i.e. Sollecito or Guede or another). It's just not logically feasible that the bathmat remained in its fixed position in front of the sink during the entire time of the crime and post-crime, given the position and orientation of the blood/water footprint. So this in itself puts paid to the false assertion (which was based on the flimsiest of supporting evidence in any case - "overhanging bag lip" or "ridge in bathmat", anyone?) that Knox must have lied about using the bathmat to get to and from her room since the mat never deviated from its position in front of the sink.
 
Yeah, it does seem to be a very churlish acknowledgment that it's just possible the police were wrong, but that this only makes the suspects more guilty anyway (a bit like the 112 call, where Massei acknowledges the police error 'in parentheses', as Raffaele's defence team complains, then somehow twists that around to be evidence against him too!). I think the reason the paragraph is muddled in Google is because it's a bit convoluted in the original. In the absence of any sign of the one and only official translation, here's my understanding of the relevant sentences:

On this point, the Court takes note of the opposite conclusions without committing itself to a particular one. It is not, in fact, out of the question that the footsteps on the pillow on the floor were all made by Guede and none by Knox (the smaller dimensions of the right footprint may be explained by the characteristics of the surface, the pillow having a non-rigid structure, and where the material of the pillowcase may not have been pulled perfectly taut but was, rather, loose, and this led to folds in the material) who in fact is considered to have been moving around the crime scene barefoot.

In the prosecution's animation of the event, were Amanda and Raffaele barefoot? Are they saying they took their shoes off after the assault? Or maybe they were buck naked during the assault? Instead of calling shenanigans as some posters seem inclined to do, I think a new way of pointing out real stretches in logic by the prosecution needs to be made. Personally, I am reminded of Cap'n Ahab and the relentless pursuit of a white whale, putting this objective ahead of all other concerns. When I see some of the conclusions made in the Massei report I am inclined to say: "Thar she blows! Thar she blows! It is Moby Dick!!!!"
 
Perhaps when that translated Massei report comes out later today I will even add little images of a whale to it, with tiny numbers on each whale, kinda like footnotes. At the end I can compile my Moby Dick list where each conclusion that defies logic and common sense is explained. Or maybe not, just a thought, a bit whacked surely.
 
PS In my post from earlier today commenting on the TJMK post, I of course mistakenly referred to the trial judge as "Mignini", rather than the correct "Massei". I'm sure it was a simple slip, rather than any sort of Freudian slip...... Apologies for the slip though.
 
Well first of all, there is evidence, that RG paniced (see his bloody hand smears).So should I believe in a scenario, where a person, whos`s transforming within a few seconds from a brutal butcher into a panicing and scared person, who, in his state of panic, is doing an intensive washing of his trousers and body, with no evidence to back that up, just for the sake, that the bloody footprint on the bathmat must be his, because, if it wasn`t, that would contradict the basic assumption, that he alone is responsible?
Or should I believe in a scenario:

-in which multiple attackers participate, which was suggested by the coroner, backed up by, though highly contested, forensics and accepted by the judges and jury, of which the one, who wasn`t responsible for the fatal stabbing panics and tries to "stop" the bleeding by using towels. If you take a look on how bloody these towles were, it is hard to believe, that these were just used to clean up some blood, but rather to stop blood, which came from a serious wound.

-in which RG didn`t go to the bathroom, as there`s no evidence to suggest that. There was a bloody footprint on the bathmat, which was attributed to RS in terms of dimesnions and not RG and there`s other evidence, that suggests, that this footprint isn`t RGs:
  • there were luminol enhanced bare footprints (which didn`t match RGs) found in the cottage, which suggests, that there was a clean-up of bloody bare footprints. This would be consistent with the fact, that there was someone with blood on his barefeet, as seen on the bathmat and that there was obviously a clean up. Evidence for that clean up, for example:

  • Where is the heel print of the bathmat print, that must be on the floor?
  • I think noone here denies, that the murderer/s washed off blood in the bathroom (blood on the light switch and on the tap, for example). The bathmat print is suggesting, that the amount of blood to be washed off wasn`t small. I can`t see, how it is possible to wash off that amount of blood and just leave that little blood smear in the sink. This, and the fact, that the blood smear in the sink had a sharp edge leads me to the suggestion, that the sink was also cleaned from blood.
  • The break-in, which, in my opinion and also in that of the jury, was staged, is also consistent with covering tracks (i.e. a clean-up for example)
  • In conclusion, I can`t see, why the covering of tracks in the way of shown above, would make any sense for the panicing RG, but rather for RS and AK.
  • Then there are four samples of mixed DNA from AK and in the form of blood from MK. Well I`m not a DNA scientist and I don`t know, what a common amount of DNA spots is of a person, who regularly uses a bathroom. I also don`t know, how easy it is, that DNA from blood, that accidentally falls on an other DNA spot got mixed with it. But somehow I have the feeling, that the probability, that blood which gets cleaned off the body of a third persons falls four times accidentally on four different DNA spots of a person, who regularly uses the bathroom, and gets mixed up four times with it, isn`t that high. So, this, for me, is another indicator, that RG wasn`t in the bathroom, but two others.

For me, the second scenario makes much more sense and I`m not willing to spin the facts around and create implausible theories just for the goal, that RG is the only responsible person.

I understand what you're saying, but I'd make the following observations (dealing with each of the highlighted parts in order):

1) If Guede did indeed commit the murder, regardless of his state of panic, he would clearly realise that it wouldn't be a good idea to run out of the murder house with blood all over his hands, and most likely with visible blood on his clothes too. After all, someone walking or running down a public street at 9.30pm with bloody hands and clothes tends to arouse suspicion. So it's perfectly logical that he would have sought to clean blood off his clothes and body before making his escape.

2) As I understand it, the coroner testified that the wounds were consistent with multiple attackers. This, however, is very different indeed from the coroner testifying that the wounds could only have been inflicted by multiple attackers.

3) I personally believe that the prosecution (and by extension the judicial panel) may be wrong on this crucial piece of evidence. I don't think it's possible to positively attribute that footprint to Sollecito - and in fact I think it's more possible to attribute it to Guede, but again not to the avoidance of reasonable doubt. So, to me, the footprint places Guede in the bathroom at least as much as it places Sollecito there. Plus we have Guede's (admittedly unreliable) testimony, in which he himself says he went into the bathroom twice. Why would he say that unless he was trying to mitigate any possible physical evidence indicating his presence in the bathroom being found?

4) luminol enhanced footprints (none of which, incidentally, tested positive for blood) do not indicate the prior presence of blood-soaked footprints. If bloody footprints had indeed been cleaned up, there would just have been smears on the floor. The luminol footprints are no more than exactly that - footprints that reacted to luminol, but which tested negative for blood. And if the prosecution claim that the whole floor was cleaned (miraculously avoiding dust and all of Guede's prints), then the whole floor should have lit up under luminol testing. It did not.

5) The heel area of the footprint on the mat was, as you say, likely cleaned up. But this clean-up could clearly have happened very shortly after the print was deposited - i.e. it doesn't require a separate organised clean-up operation. Why, for example, couldn't Guede have simply wiped the bathroom floor with a towel while he was still in there?

6) My view is that the shower (or possible the bidet) was used for the main washing-off of blood from the perpetrator's hands, arms, clothes and weapon. And after the blood had been washed off, I believe that the perpetrator washed down the shower and/or bidet extensively to remove all but trace elements of blood. Maybe the sink was used to rinse off, say, the knife - which would help explain the small amount of blood left on the taps (faucet) and in the bottom of the sink.

7) I don't share your belief that the break-in was staged. However, even if it was staged, there is a logical explanation as to why it would be in Guede's interest to stage a break-in even if he were the sole attacker (if, for example, he'd been let into the house by Meredith, and he subsequently wanted to mislead the police away from suspecting the narrow group of people who Meredth would have been comfortable letting into the house).

8) Whilst I can understand your "feeling" in regard to the so-called "mixed DNA" in the bathroom, I don't agree with the random chance element to your analysis. The points where Knox's DNA were found were not random areas of the bathroom (e.g. behind the door, somewhere in the middle of the floor, etc). They were in the places where someone who regularly used the bathroom would be expected to deposit DNA: round the plughole in the sink, on the sink taps (faucet), round the plughole of the bidet, around the light switch etc.

Lastly, this is not a case of "spinning the facts" at all. It's a case of looking at the evidence and the prosecution's interpretation of the evidence, and seeking a plausible alternative explanation for this evidence. It's not incumbent upon the defence (or upon any people studying this case) to prove these alternative explanations in order to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecution's interpretations of the evidence. It is, however, incumbent upon the prosecution to provide proof beyond reasonable doubt of guilt, and this necessarily involves providing proof regarding key pieces of evidence. I don't think the prosecution has met its burden of proof with regard to the evidence in the small bathroom. But I respect your right to disagree. It will be interesting to see how the appeal court sees it.
 
The links I posted concerning Dr. Hampikian during his stay in Ireland indicate that the files containing information about the DNA forensics were not given to the defense.

Yes, your latest post on this at view From Wilmington is excellent.
http://viewfromwilmington.blogspot.com/2010/07/to-those-who-believe-that-amanda-knox.html

This is what Frank said in his summary of the Massei report about this:

Massei then explains why all genetic results are valid and no contamination could have occurred in the house or in the laboratory. The lack of all registry data is irrelevant, and the defenses didn't have anything to say about the many tests that resulted DNA belonging to Meredith or to Rudi, affirming, in this way, that the lab works in the proper way.

http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2010/03/motivated-knox-and-sollecito-conviction.html

Oh BTW,
Thar She Blows!!!
 
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