Who started both World Wars?

[Mirrorglass]

So how much worse is 'Jewish communism' than regular, run-of-the-mill communism?

'Coz I'm thinking it's, like, ten times worse.

 

[ddt]

How was he going to accomplish that by invading Luxembourg? Or planning to invade Swizterland. Or was the Confederation of Helvetia a hot bed of Communism? LOL

You forgot to ask how nein11 thinks about Anton. Or rather, I'd be more interested to know how he thinks about Meinout.

 

[Hans]

So how much worse is 'Jewish communism' than regular, run-of-the-mill communism?

'Coz I'm thinking it's, like, ten times worse.

Worse that zombie alien Communism? Surely you jest!

Or is he talking about North Vietnamese communism around Thanh Thew where the 'Thew' is pronounced like 'Jew'

 

[JimBenArm]

Ever heard of the Nazi Party?

Don't be stupid
Be a smartie!
Come and join
The Nazi Party!

 

[dudalb]

Don't be stupid
Be a smartie!
Come and join
The Nazi Party!

Dammit,beat me to it....

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Don't be stupid
Be a smartie!
Come and join
The Nazi Party!

 

[Hans]

If Corporal Hitler had no plans to fight Britain what was the point of Plan Z?

One wonders, LOL

Hmm he signed that in January 1939

In his 1974 article "England's Place In Hitler's Plans for World Dominion", Hillgruber argued that, during the Nazi period, German foreign policy went through ten different phases. Hillgruber contended that, during the early phases, Hitler was intent on having the anti-Soviet alliance with Britain he had written of in Mein Kampf and Zweites Buch. By the time of the Hossbach Memorandum of 1937, Hillgruber argued, Hitler was undertaking a course of expansion either "without Britain" or, preferably, "with Britain", but if necessary "against Britain".[46] By the late 1930s, when it became clear that Britain had no interest in his overtures, German foreign policy turned anti-British as reflected in the Z Plan of January 1939 for a gigantic German fleet that would crush the Royal Navy by 1944.

 

[Belz...]

I take it Mazower is Jewish?

Boy, that seems such an easy way to build an argument. Let me try it.

 

[Belz...]

This is open to debate for me.

For you ?

I take it you're dutch ?













Wow. That's amazing! Now I can dismiss all your posts and opinions simply based on your geographical location or genetic heritage. Thanks, man! That's SO much easier than constructing an actual argument. Damn me, I'll be unbeatable at parties, now !

 

[Tolls]

I don't know why I'm bothering, but...

It's pretty clear form reading the likes of Burleigh and Weinberg (to take two fairly modern historians) that Hitlers aim was for expansion in the east. His ideology was incredibly agrarian in outlook, and the idea (as mentioned above) was to create a place for landed Nazi gentry (for want of a better term) to rule. All terribly feudal.

In order to achieve this, though, there were a few things that had to be done.

He wanted to avoid a two front war, so either Britain and France would have to be brought on board or defeated. To be honest, France was always a target...but he had hopes for Britain, at least until maybe '37?

The Czech crisis was the first attempt to provoke a war, one which failed partly due to Mussolini's intervention and partly due to lack of will on the part of the Wehrmacht. Come the Polish crisis though he got what he wanted....and the rest is history.

Oh, as a side note I believe the idea was to depopulate the east to make space for the aforementioned Nazi gentry...leaving only a Slavic rump of slaves. In fact I seem to remember even those were to eventually be left to die out. The vision was of aryan loveliness toiling in fields for the greater good, or some similar nonsense.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Tolls, just because he wanted to avoid a two-front war does mean he didn't have plans to put England under the Nazi thrall. No country would be spared in the long run. He just wanted to gain his lebensraum in the East and build up his forces before taking the rest of Europe.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I have to disagree. For Hitler, the destruction of Poland was only the starting point. He wanted to go much further in his Drive To The East then any German government had before him. He wanted almost all of European Russia,with the slavs reduced to a slave race.

Well, I was talking about the mutual aggression of Germany and the USSR. Their agreement was that they would each reclaim the land they had held in 1914.

Both sides knew that the agreement was a sham, but Stalin thought he had a few more years before Hitler would try anything.

 

[aggle-rithm]

In Hitler's analysis

Now THERE's your problem.

I would guess that Germany would take that amount of land that it reasonable could populate with it's own people. I would guess the Ukraine and the Baltics and Poland, not much more. Afterall there were only 80 million Germans. In the link there is no mentioning of 'enslaving' other people, only preventing the Germans from becoming enslaved by 'others'.

I agree with the first part, but Hitler indeed spoke of bringing back feudalism in the captured territories. I suppose you could argue that feudalism isn't slavery, but, well...it ain't freedom, either.

Also, Hitler envisioned a much larger German race. 80 million people could swell to a much larger number in a short amount of time with the right blend of land, resources, and propaganda.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I would guess that Germany would take that amount of land that it reasonable could populate with it's own people.

Often called "Eurasia".

 

[drkitten]

Also, Hitler envisioned a much larger German race. 80 million people could swell to a much larger number in a short amount of time

... especially given that this was an explicit goal of the Nazi regime -- to encourage the growth of the Aryan population.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Often called "Eurasia".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia

According to our huddled friend Gawdzilla, and not doubt his fellow Amurrikans, Hitler was about to invade Siberia, China, India, Arabia, Japan and a few other gooddies, exterminate the entire population, probably with Zyklon-B, after which all the bodies would be cremated so that the notorious noble Anglos would not find out. If Hitler would get his way, that is. According to Gawdzilla. Fortunately the Anglos saw what was coming, and bombed Germany into oblivion. And the US turned itself into a 'benevolent' hegemon, instead of Germany.

This is the level we have to deal with here.

To my fellow Europeans: the liberation from the Anglos is near. Even former minister (or 'secretary' as they naughtyly are called in the US) in the Reagan administration Paul Craig Roberts thinks that the US suicide will be completed in 2017.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20302

I myself think that the collapse will come sooner, along the lines depicted by Celente --> 2012 (the guy has been right on several occasions/predictions before)

http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2010/04/gerald-celente-breakup-of-us-like.html

Until then: keep courage, the ordeal is almost over.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

 

[ddt]

Also, Hitler envisioned a much larger German race. 80 million people could swell to a much larger number in a short amount of time with the right blend of land, resources, and propaganda.

You forgot: mother's crosses and child support (which Hitler introduced).

 

[JimBenArm]

[qimg]http://rationalia.com/z/10-1.gif[/qimg]

Heh. I love it!

 

[dudalb]

I don't know why I'm bothering, but...

It's pretty clear form reading the likes of Burleigh and Weinberg (to take two fairly modern historians) that Hitlers aim was for expansion in the east. His ideology was incredibly agrarian in outlook, and the idea (as mentioned above) was to create a place for landed Nazi gentry (for want of a better term) to rule. All terribly feudal.

In order to achieve this, though, there were a few things that had to be done.

He wanted to avoid a two front war, so either Britain and France would have to be brought on board or defeated. To be honest, France was always a target...but he had hopes for Britain, at least until maybe '37?

The Czech crisis was the first attempt to provoke a war, one which failed partly due to Mussolini's intervention and partly due to lack of will on the part of the Wehrmacht. Come the Polish crisis though he got what he wanted....and the rest is history.

Oh, as a side note I believe the idea was to depopulate the east to make space for the aforementioned Nazi gentry...leaving only a Slavic rump of slaves. In fact I seem to remember even those were to eventually be left to die out. The vision was of aryan loveliness toiling in fields for the greater good, or some similar nonsense.

The book, "Hitler's Empire" I recommended in a previous post gives a detailed account of how the Slavs were next on Himmler's "to do" list when it came to mass extermination.