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[achimspok]

Somehow it is always funny where a discussion about the WTC7 free fall measurement leads at JREF. I should go back and count how many replied on that.

 

[achimspok]

First you don't understand what the word "accepted" means, and now you can't answer a simple question.

Can you?

 

[TexasJack]

Somehow it is always funny where a discussion about the WTC7 free fall measurement leads at JREF. I should go back and count how many replied on that.

What is funny is you bringing it up in the first place, and then unable to back it up and avoid tying into a 9/11 conspiracy theory.

 

[TSR]

Where is the money, Jack?

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In the various vendor's hands, where it had been when this issue was first reported back in February 2000.

Given this date, what is the connection ot 9/11?
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[TexasJack]

Can you?

Dodge noted again....

 

[bill smith]

I think it was a set up to look like an undisputable victim.

Remember, Mineta started at "50 miles out". According to the FDR it refers to 9:27am and well before O'Brien saw the reappeared plane. She first saw it about 16 miles out and it came closer 1 mile in about 8 seconds.
So what information had Cheney during the flight through the alleged radar hole?
I think these radar holes are a myth as well.
[qimg]http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3405/radarcoverage.gif[/qimg]
This is the alleged "hole" at an altitude of 5000ft. In other words, at 10000ft these circles have the double radius.


Ranke is a liar. Lloyd England is a nice old cab driver. He drove down the road. He was in front of the plane. He had 2 seconds to see it and less time to hear it. Suddenly a lamp pole came through his windshield. For the next seconds he had to stop the car somehow.
Some years later Craig Ranke comes along and shows the cabbie an aerial view with the wrong drawing of the "flyover" path and Lloyd should show his position. The only thing Lloyd knew for sure - he was right below the plane and close to the Pentagon. So he saw Ranke's false path and pointed with the finger right below it. ...instead of confronting Lloyd with the possibilities, Ranke constructed a cabbie conspiracy. Here are some links where I wrote about that topic.
achimspok's Pentagon Northern Approach?
Sgt. William Lagasse - Pentagon witness?
Pilots for Truth paper "The North Approach, Technical Supplement to "9/11: The North Flight Path"
Comparison of the CIT "Northern Approach" to some "North of VDOT" approach.

As I said I think the Pentagon was only a honeypot to attract conspiracy theories but back in the day I used to argue it.

I always wondered about Mineta and the '50 miles out'....'30 miles out'.....'(10 miles out) ' thing. How did that work when the plane was performing the huge three-quarter circle around the building ? Surely the distance to the plane would have stayed more or less constant for that period ?

 

[TSR]

Somehow it is always funny where a discussion about the WTC7 free fall measurement leads at JREF. I should go back and count how many replied on that.

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What is there to say: parts of the building spent a few seconds at near free fall.

What do you think *this* proves?
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[achimspok]

For Texas Jack

... Ending balance adjustments should be eliminated after FY 2001.

We've no idea how this relates to the overall $2.3 trillion, but it does seem to fit with the overall talk of accounting issues.

No, it doesn't. The DOD eliminated most of the unaccounted money in 1999 and 2000. The rest is a "should be".

DoD financial experts, Zakheim said, are making good progress reconciling the department's "lost" expenditures, trimming them from a prior estimated total of $2.3 trillion to $700 billion.

That was said in Feb. 2002. Now it's 2010. The 911myth page was last modified on 3 June 2009, at 11:11. Why is the final report not linked at www.911myths.com? ...because Zackheim gave his word in 2002?

 

[achimspok]

I always wondered about Mineta and the '50 miles out'....'30 miles out'.....'(10 miles out) ' thing. How did that work when the plane was performing the huge three-quarter circle around the building ? Surely the distance to the plane would have stayed more or less constant for that period ?

FAA timeline:

Retrospectively, FAA established that IAD controllers may have seen the primary only track as early as 9:25, but there is no evidence that IAD recognized the threat any earlier than 9:32.

http://www.oredigger61.org/?p=1077

 

[TSR]

The DOD eliminated most of the unaccounted money in 1999 and 2000.

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Cite?
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[achimspok]

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What is there to say: parts of the building spent a few seconds at near free fall.

What do you think *this* proves?
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These "parts" were the core e.g. a 3x3 column section below the west penthouse after a 3 column section already was fallen through the building.
It merely proves that NIST had no clue how to measure, right?

 

[achimspok]

Cite?

What do you want to tell me with your text?

The ending balance adjustments almost doubled from FY 1999 to FY 2000. By correcting the accumulated error in GLAC 3310 and controlling all equity transactions, including recording appropriations used at the departmental level, we believe that up to 92 percent of the FY 2000 ending balance adjustment of $237 billion could have been eliminated.

Mr. Byrd: "...can not account for transactions of $2.3 trillion in one year alone.

So I assume it is not about FY 1999 or FY 2000.

Army financial statements for 2001 were only provided in an overall Department of Defence document, not stand-alone, and therefore they could not be audited.

Do I missed something?

 

[BigAl]

What do you want to tell me with your text?



[qimg]http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9749/pdrop00019.png[/qimg]
Mr. Byrd: "...can not account for transactions of $2.3 trillion in one year alone.

So I assume it is not about FY 1999 or FY 2000.

Do I missed something?

Yes, you are confusing a problem with accounting for money with the theft of money. What you are pointing to is the former, not the latter.

 

[Seymour Butz]

Yes, there is one more possibility. You have not read the final report and do not understand the collapsse scenario.

Or he has, and chooses to construct a strawman instead.

 

[bill smith]

[qimg]http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/583/50milesout.png[/qimg]

FAA timeline:
[qimg]http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4593/pdrop00018.png[/qimg]


http://www.oredigger61.org/?p=1077

50 miles out 09:27:10

30 miles out 09:30:10

10 miles out 09:33:10

Should have hit in a straight line 09:34:40

NTSB Impact time flight 77/Pentagon 09:37:45

4 minutes and 35 seconds extra to fly the three-quarter circle from the ten mile mark.. Does that sound right ?

 

[beachnut]

What topic, or what thread does Bill Smith think she is in?

The topic is an idiot who can't do physics; not Flight 77 which was not the plane in the quote truthers spew.

The topic is not about DoD failed accounting; BTW, the dollars were not missing, the accounting system was crap! Why does 911 truth fail to comprehend?

The thread topic has an idiot making up a video which exposes his ignorance. He uses idiotic truther papers as his independent 911 hypotheses which are from people like Heiwa. Heiwa's work is delusional. The video is delusional. Supporting the video is self critiquing.

 

[achimspok]

Or he has, and chooses to construct a strawman instead.

...déjà vu! ...a strawman for a strawman report? Sounds like a strawman argument.

But maybe you can show me where I find some explanations in the report???
1) Why all the early fires died down without spreading?
2) What ignited the later fires?
3) Why burnt the area around column 79 much longer than any other area (at least in the simulation)?
4) Why is there (according to the report) no evidence for any fire in the east half of the SEC floor after 3:13 while the simulation burns on for 2 more hours?
5) How is it possible that the south wall of the East Penthouse collapsed prior to the north wall?
6) How is it possible that the East penthouse started in free fall?
7) How is it possible that the West penthouse started to move in free fall?
8) How is it possible that the moving part of the west Penthouse descended horizontally as a 3x3 columns section?
9) Why did the middle section of the core took the Perimeter down a little faster than free fall?
10) why provided NIST an obviously false measurement?
11) Why is there no original soundtrack available for this video?
12) What caused the darting flames shortly prior to the collapse?
13) What caused the seismic spike that apparently started the building sway?
14) Why did the building sway to the west while a column in the east started to buckle?
15) Why did Mr. Sunder know nothing about witnesses who heard "BAABOOOOM" sounds and felt the earth is shaking?
16) How was it possible that the Interim report exactly predicted the outcome of the FEA (column 79 + 5 floors unsupported column length + steel temperature at least 150°C + at which time?)
17) How many connections had to fail to produce 5 unsupported stories?
18) How many connections had to fail to allow the east penthouse to fall at free fall acceleration inside the building?
19) Why is there no observable dust from these (may be thousands) of failures?
20) What caused the hot spots and is there any example in the history of mankind for some similar effect?
21) Is there any photographic evidence for a fire on 3 floors one above the other in the east half of the building after 3:13pm?
22) How is it possible that the simulated steel temperature is rising until after 5pm?

Let's see your strawmans!

 

[achimspok]

What topic, or what thread does Bill Smith think she is in?

The topic is an idiot who can't do physics; not Flight 77 which was not the plane in the quote truthers spew.

The topic is not about DoD failed accounting; BTW, the dollars were not missing, the accounting system was crap! Why does 911 truth fail to comprehend?

The thread topic has an idiot making up a video which exposes his ignorance. He uses idiotic truther papers as his independent 911 hypotheses which are from people like Heiwa. Heiwa's work is delusional. The video is delusional. Supporting the video is self critiquing.

Does anyone know which video he is talking about?

(Should we ignore that emotional babble?)

 

[achimspok]

50 miles out 09:27:10

30 miles out 09:30:10

10 miles out 09:33:10

Should have hit in a straight line 09:34:40

NTSB Impact time flight 77/Pentagon 09:37:45

4 minutes and 35 seconds extra to fly the three-quarter circle from the ten mile mark.. Does that sound right ?

That's what the FDR says. It's pretty fast for a Boeing but the difficult part is the last part. That last part seems to be truncated for any reason because technically the FDR records all 4 seconds one frame with several subframes. There are data in the subframes with regulations for the max delay between measurement and recording. Nevertheless, it appears like a little more that 4 seconds are missing.

 

[TheRedWorm]

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How about you be the first truther in history to offer an alternative hypothesis that answers these questions better than the "official story" (whatever the hell that is)?