Sure. I can think of a half dozen ways in which the fuel made it to the basement. They all constitute the same thing, of course. It fell down the elevator shafts.
What do you think happens to 2 tanker trucks sized boluses of fuel that are traveling 500 mph? What is the density requirement for fuel to ignite? What do you think happens to the density of fuel/air the instant that it ignites? When the fuel/air mixture ignites, and its density is a couple of orders of magnitude less than the liquid fuel, and its surface area is a couple orders of magnitude larger, and everything is moving thru the air at some fraction of 500 mph, what do you think happens to the relative spacing between the ignited fuel and the still liquid fuel?
No question about that. We all saw the fireballs which consumed at least one tanker truck sized bolus of fuel per tower.
... Many, many people in the lobby and basement reported the strong smell of aviation fuel. There were people who suffered horrible burns. There were reports of elevator doors being blown out & flames pouring out of the elevator shafts.
Absolutely correct. That smell was all over lower Manhattan. Even Dom Foulsham reported a smell like on a runway several block away.
Laureen Manning (I cited above) suffered horrible burns. She came right through the revolving door and the fire pushed her back outside (through the bottom of an elevator bank).
The most detailed report of blown out elevator doors and twisted cabins in the shafts is the Task Force Interview of William Walsh. These blown out doors in the Lobby were right opposite to the West revolving doors and consistent with the observable damage. These elevators were local elevators up to the 30-something floors. That's indeed a problem.
So please explain to me what difference it makes whether my (or anyone's) explanation turns out to be THE explanation? Or just AN explanation?
THE explanation explains
- why the locals were blown out
- why the doors of the express shafts were intact
- how huge amounts of vaporized fuel managed to travel down the shaft in seconds even if the drop time depends on the diameter of the droplets and these droplets probably were smaller than a football
- how huge amounts of vaporized fuel managed to reach the floors below the express cabins (all at B1)
- how the passengers of car 50 survived those "explosions" above and below without burns or being washed with fuel
AN explanation explains nothing but says
- fuel went down the elevator shafts and exploded at 21, lobby, B2, B3, B4
Are you claiming that there was no fuel down the lower elevator shafts?
Maybe later but it didn't explode.
That all those people were lying?
Those people were lied to. I heard no witness report saying "the fuel came down the elevator shaft and ..." Even the Naudet documentary says: "Later they figured out that jet fuel shot down the elevator shafts..."
On 9/11 these witnesses reported explosions in the basement not jet fuel fireballs. Philip Morelli was told that the main freight car (50) crashed into the pit but that didn't happen either. Last possibility: debris or the counter weights crashed into the pits but all cabins at B1 blocked the shafts and were not crushed. On the other hands these counter weights have emergency brakes like the cabins. So what happened within a few seconds of the plane crash??
Do you agree that the fuel could have gotten to the lobby, but the last 6 stories into the basement were impossible?
It's a question of time for the fuel to reach some distant point like the lobby or even the basement. It's another question to get it that far unburnt. It's another problem to get it in a proper fuel-air ratio. And last but not least it is a problem the get several explosions on different levels.
That, in addition to everything else, someone prepositioned huge quantities of jet fuels in some sort of "odor proof" containers (there were no reports that I've heard of the aroma prior to the plane's impacts), and then somehow released all that fuel by remote control. And then detonated it?
No, the smell was everywhere. Something exploded in the basement and caused a lot of damage withing seconds after the impact. What ever it was, it caused a lot of injuries and damage to the entire west side of the lobby and the local elevator shafts.
Or are you saying ... nothing at all?
Can you solve the problem or can you just repeat some illogical story or nothing at all?
BTW, please don't stop trading ideas back & forth with bill. It is VERY entertaining.
I have to go to sleep. Just 3 hours left of my night and Bill is gone. So get some chips and please stand by.
