Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

[fess]

I must say that debunkers are getting thin on the ground these days. You see how easily you have manhandled all comers here for thousands of posts ? Readers see that. They are not blind. Some other Truthers are enjoying some success in this regard too.

And they might be?

I really think that the jref 9/11 subforum will be shut down soon. They cannot allow this deteriorating and embarrassing situation to go on- as it certainly will- at an accelerating pace.

Accelerating to the pace of a snail maybe...
I certainly hope the subforum isn't shut down. I enjoy the fact that you use so few words to state BS, B.S., but Jamm on the other hand must have more time than you.

 

[Retrograde]

He alters reality to any shape he wants. Nothing should surprise anyone.

I'm waiting for the next logical (if one can use the term when talking about Jammy) argument: there was no World Trade Center complex.

 

[CompusMentus]

The crew and passengers of united airlines flight 175

On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.

59 passengers and crew were on board (not counting the hijackers).

All were killed.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 CREW

Captain Victor Saracini, 51, was the pilot of Flight 175. He lived in Lower Makefield Township, Pennsylvania. He was a veteran of the Navy. He left behind a wife, Ellen; and two daughters, Kirsten and Brielle.

On Aug. 29, Saracini celebrated his 51st birthday, his 13-year-old daughter Kirsten wrote her father a poem, “Years Gone By,” which ended:

“And for all the years that come, I know one thing will never change,
You will always be my daddy and I will always feel the same. I love you.”

Sources:- HERE HERE


Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.


Compus

 

[bardamu]

I think you are out on a long limb if you want to interprete the "will" so tediously and all-inclusive.

The interpretation of "will" is neither here nor there. If there were insurance payouts for hull losses, it should be documented somewhere. Out of interest, how do you want me interpret the use of "will be" in that article?

 

[DGM]

The interpretation of "will" is neither here nor there. If there were insurance payouts for hull losses, it should be documented somewhere. Out of interest, how do you want me interpret the use of "will be" in that article?

I think you should run out into the street naked and shout conspiracy.

 

[bardamu]

On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.

59 passengers and crew were on board (not counting the hijackers).

All were killed.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 CREW

Captain Victor Saracini, 51, was the pilot of Flight 175. He lived in Lower Makefield Township, Pennsylvania. He was a veteran of the Navy. He left behind a wife, Ellen; and two daughters, Kirsten and Brielle.

On Aug. 29, Saracini celebrated his 51st birthday, his 13-year-old daughter Kirsten wrote her father a poem, “Years Gone By,” which ended:

“And for all the years that come, I know one thing will never change,
You will always be my daddy and I will always feel the same. I love you.”


[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/344914c4cb2bd0ea50.jpg[/qimg]


Sources:- HERE HERE


Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.


Compus

Is a list of missing persons the best evidence you have of plane crashes on 9/11?

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Is a list of missing persons the best evidence you have of plane crashes on 9/11?

How about the fact there were were thousands of eye witnesses to the crashes, and plane debris and body parts of the victims from the planes were found at the crash sites?How about the calls made from the planes? Plus the WTC crashes were caught on film..

 

[DGM]

Is a list of missing persons the best evidence you have of plane crashes on 9/11?

So, should we put you down as a no-planer?

Do you think this is the only evidence of planes?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Is a list of missing persons the best evidence you have of plane crashes on 9/11?

Where are the planes if they didn't crash? What happened to them. They were certainly built and sold to the airlines. They were operated by the airlines and all have service recordds from both the operators and contractors that exchange and service parts. All the pilots have logged hours on the aircraft.

Where are they?

Do you seriously think no planes were involved?

 

[dafydd]

My hunch is Bill is a troll, and Jam is insane...

Rem acu tetigisti.

 

[dafydd]

Is a list of missing persons the best evidence you have of plane crashes on 9/11?

Well,seeing them crash into the buildings was a big clue.

 

[bill smith]

Where are the planes if they didn't crash? What happened to them. They were certainly built and sold to the airlines. They were operated by the airlines and all have service recordds from both the operators and contractors that exchange and service parts. All the pilots have logged hours on the aircraft.

Where are they?

Do you seriously think no planes were involved?

I think some of them were secretly leased to local airlines in selected countries round the world. They say the tail numbers were never retired. Could this possibly be one of the planes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLYpKGVBUg

 

[bill smith]

Rem acu tetigisti.

I knew you were Welsh.. Well with a name like Daffyd I suppose it was pretty esasy to guess. lol

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

I think some of them were secretly leased to local airlines in selected countries round the world. They say the tail numbers were never retired. Could this possibly be one of the planes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLYpKGVBUg

Who is 'they'?

 

[Andy_Ross]

I think some of them were secretly leased to local airlines in selected countries round the world. They say the tail numbers were never retired. Could this possibly be one of the planes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLYpKGVBUg

So when parts come back for servicing won't the contractors who supplied them recognise the serial numbers as being issued to crashed aircraft? Engines spring to mind. thes ethings are tightly controlled.

How did they get to these foreign airlines? Where did they go after they took off on 9/11?
What did they do with all the passengers and crew that thought they were flying somewhere else?
Where did they all go?

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

I think some of them were secretly leased to local airlines in selected countries round the world. They say the tail numbers were never retired. Could this possibly be one of the planes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLYpKGVBUg

And the people that were on the planes-what happened to them?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Who is 'they'?

The Magic Wizards?

 

[Oystein]

The interpretation of "will" is neither here nor there. If there were insurance payouts for hull losses, it should be documented somewhere. Out of interest, how do you want me interpret the use of "will be" in that article?

Easy. Recap: It is estimated that total insurance payouts will total 40.2 billion, when all claims will have been in.

This total includes certain figures that are largely already in (i.e. not a matter of the speculative future that the modal "will" refers to), among them 500 million for the four airplane hulls.

So since not all figures are in yet, will know the grand total only in the future.
But we already do know most of the individual claims in the present. Therefore it is invalid to interprete the "will" that is applied to the grand total to all its constituents. In fact, the great majority of claimed damages were already in.

Now I admit that I don't have the actual claims and settlements for each of the four airline hulls. That article I linked to does not provide any such details.

But really, if you truthers believe AA and UA never sought nor got reimbursments from their insurances, then that info is out there and clearly known to several responsible people both at the airlines and the insurances, and a nifty journalist would easily win himself a Pulitzer if he just found and interviewed them.

Funny thing is: that didn's happen.

Why?

 

[bill smith]

So when parts come back for servicing won't the contractors who supplied them recognise the serial numbers as being issued to crashed aircraft? Engines spring to mind. thes ethings are tightly controlled.

How did they get to these foreign airlines? Where did they go after they took off on 9/11?
What did they do with all the passengers and crew that thought they were flying somewhere else?
Where did they all go?

I can't really comment on this not having thought about it in detail. But if some scenarios indicate that there are missing persons in the 9/11 story maybe they are all on 9/11 Island being waited on hand and foot by semi-naked native girls in grass skrts ?

But that is just speculation you understand ?.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

I can't really comment on this not having thought about it in detail. But if some scenarios indicate that there are missing persons in the 9/11 story maybe they are all on 9/11 Island being waited on hand and foot by semi-naked native girls in grass skrts ?

But that is just speculation you understand ?.

Troll.
You seem to think you are funny, but you are anything but...