Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

[dafydd]

This is sarcasm, right?

Almost,more like flailing around in an attempt to be top troller again.

 

[djlunacee]

We are now beyond post # 2480.

No one has shown the existence of video showing Ed Felt boarding Flight 93. I will henceforth assume posters will admit no such video has been shown to exist. Thus, in yet another normal, expected and useful way, there is no evidence supporting the claim Ed Felt was a passenger on that flight.

and you have yet to post one valid piece of evidence to support your claim of no planes, 64 pages and counting, times up, put up or shut up, everyone sees planes in your videos but you, your claim relies on technology that DOES NOT exist, otherwise you would have no problem presenting real evidence.

your word salad responses and feeble attempts at refutation of evidence and witness testimony show your obvious shortcomings in many other areas, you can start by learning about physics, crash dynamics, just curious, do you still think planes, trains, and buses still sound the same??????? you might also wish to brush up on what a stipulation and heresay are in a court of law, cause you got those wrong too. your lack of understanding regarding the phases of the ZM trial is amazing.

64 pages Jam, provide YOUR evidence or shut up.

 

[jammonius]

I must say that debunkers are getting thin on the ground these days. You see how easily you have manhandled all comers here for thousands of posts ? Readers see that. They are not blind. Some other Truthers are enjoying some success in this regard too.

I really think that the jref 9/11 subforum will be shut down soon. They cannot allow this deteriorating and embarrassing situation to go on- as it certainly will- at an accelerating pace.

They have actually been floating the idea for some time.Laying the groundwork . See the hyperlink for a typical example.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6158142&postcount=2509 hyperlink

The software is being updated and is not working properly yet so refer to post 2509 above for hyperlink content.

Bill,

You've been a mighty contributor to those successes. Keep up the good work.

I think you're right about possible shut-down. We should probably start preparing for that by making sure we have cache versions and other means of protecting vital content.

The days of free and easy access to blogsphere are probably limited.

best
jammonius

 

[332nd]

Would you care to source your claims?

thanks

The sources have already been posted, you even quoted them. Perhaps you should read through the thread again. Try using logic, reason, and comprehension this time.

 

[djlunacee]

I must say that debunkers are getting thin on the ground these days. You see how easily you have manhandled all comers here for thousands of posts ? Readers see that. They are not blind. Some other Truthers are enjoying some success in this regard too.

I really think that the jref 9/11 subforum will be shut down soon. They cannot allow this deteriorating and embarrassing situation to go on- as it certainly will- at an accelerating pace.

They have actually been floating the idea for some time.Laying the groundwork . See the hyperlink for a typical example.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6158142&postcount=2509 hyperlink

The software is being updated and is not working properly yet so refer to post 2509 above for hyperlink content.

and the stupidity is becoming contagious.

 

[jammonius]

The sources have already been posted, you even quoted them. Perhaps you should read through the thread again. Try using logic, reason, and comprehension this time.

Hey Lurkers and Victims Family Members,

The unwillingness to post links to claims, thus providing proof of them, is an indicator of weakness.

The above is noteworthy for its lack of willingness to source and to prove up claims made.

As things stand, Redtail has not substantiated the claims made. Therefore, they are not to be taken seriously.

 

[twinstead]

How did Mr. Felt's DNA wind up in a crater in Shanksville, where it was identified by Coroner Wally Miller?

Little tidbits like this are death to your "theory" jammonius. Deal with it. Is Wally Miller 'In on it'?

 

[332nd]

Hey Lurkers and Victims Family Members,

The unwillingness to post links to claims, thus providing proof of them, is an indicator of weakness.

The above is noteworthy for its lack of willingness to source and to prove up claims made.

As things stand, Redtail has not substantiated the claims made. Therefore, they are not to be taken seriously.

Odds are they know what I'm referring to. It's only a few pages back.

 

[TheRedWorm]

No, it does not mean you were not born. Would you like to discuss the question further, from a perspective of logic, reason and its relationship to 9/11 issues?

Let me know

I would like to know how you can conclude that I was born. You do not know my name (to the best of my knowledge), you do not have a sample of my DNA, you cannot say where I was born, you cannot, in fact, confirm that I am a real person...How can you say that I was born when you have no evidence that I was?

 

[bardamu]

Insurances have paid half a billion US$ to the two airline companies for the loss of 4 planes:
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=90342
"the Insurance Information Institute estimates that the total insurance loss from September 11 will ultimately be about $40.2 billion dollars.
...
The I.I.I. estimate of $40.2 billion dollars in insured losses includes:
...
* $500 million (1 percent) in hull claims for the loss of the four commercial aircraft."

You say insurers "have paid" the airline companies, then you quote an article estimating what the losses "will be". Do you have any evidence that insurance claims for hull losses were settled or even filed?

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Jam and Bill are interesting case studies in how Truthers argue their theories. They have no evidence to support their theories, and they cherry pick quotes to fit their own agenda. No planers engage in very dishonest research.
They dismiss all evidence that discredits their views as being 'fake' or 'planted'. Let them linger in their fantasy world.
Debating Truthers like Jammy is a waste of time- even within the Truther crowd, WTC no-planers are seen as crazy- Alex Jones, a true nut Truther, has less than flattering things to say about the WTC no planers.

When you see the person with a cardbord sign ranting on the street corner, the best thing to do is walk by and ignore them. Do you think it's even possible or worthwhile to engage that person in a serious debate? The situtaion is the same with no planers.

To date Jammy has refused to offer an alterternative scenario as to what he thinks happened to the plane passengers that vanished on 9/11. He gives every indication he doubts they ever existed. That is not a rational position to hold- why waste time debating with such a person?

Apart from the sheer illogic of the no planer argument, I find it offensive in that it insults the people who were murdered on the planes as well as the families and freinds of the victims. No planers are also apologists for the real killers, the psychotic Islamic terrorists.

 

[alienentity]

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[fess]

No, it's not that simple. I think I've addressed the points you raise above in post # 2521. Let me know if you'd like more details.

No, I don't believe that you have addressed any thing at all. In fact, the only thing I have actually seen you do is hand wave, side step, bob and weave, and generally ignore any and all evidence that has been presented. In other words, you use a half a page post to say nothing at all, and offer no substantial evidence to back up your claims.

You have FAILED to show that the stipulation of evidence was coerced or forced from the defendant. In reality, the judge must question the defendant in order to show that he agrees wholeheartedly with the presentation of evidence before it is allowed to enter into the trial. This stipulation was agreed to not only by Mr. Moussaoui, but his legal team also. I firmly believe that this stipulation only accomplished one thing; that is to allow Mr. Moussaoui to waste his life away in an Colorado prison. Perhaps you will garner a better understanding of that statement when they finally lock your sorry butt away in a mental institution where you belong. Hopefully, that institution will not be far away in order to allow that poor young lady you abused on Youtube to visit you. She certainly needs something to make her laugh.

Your use of facts is transparent alright. The fact is, you have not relied on any official investigation of 9/11 because there was none. You have not shown any evidence of what happened that extends beyond a stipulation signed by a patsy and presented in a show trial that ran roughshod over the norms of legal process and presented a farce.

And, surely you have proof of this statement; like, statements from the various members of the investigative teams.

I do not expect you to understand what you have done. I expect you to continue to rely as much as you possibly can on the Moussaoui trial exhibits because that is about all you have.

Yep, facts are about all we have!

I have, however, shown that those exhibits and that trial relied on standards that completely debase legal process and that present next to nothing that is in the way of proof of what happened on 9/11. Your attempt to use it for that purpose is a complete and utter failure in terms of proof

No, you have not shown anything at all.

 

[twinstead]

Seriously though; is anybody surprised that jammonius cavalierly hand waves away the Moussaoui trial evidence? What else CAN he do?

 

[DGM]

Seriously though; is anybody surprised that jammonius cavalierly hand waves away the Moussaoui trial evidence? What else CAN he do?

He alters reality to any shape he wants. Nothing should surprise anyone.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Truthers fail to understand they need to back up thier theories with evidence; not with paranoia or cherrypicking. Jam's approach is quite typical of how 9/11 Truthers try to 'prove' thier conspiracy delusions.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I must say that debunkers are getting thin on the ground these days. You see how easily you have manhandled all comers here for thousands of posts ? Readers see that. They are not blind. Some other Truthers are enjoying some success in this regard too.

I really think that the jref 9/11 subforum will be shut down soon. They cannot allow this deteriorating and embarrassing situation to go on- as it certainly will- at an accelerating pace.

They have actually been floating the idea for some time.Laying the groundwork . See the hyperlink for a typical example.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6158142&postcount=2509 hyperlink

The software is being updated and is not working properly yet so refer to post 2509 above for hyperlink content.

Do I take it that your support for the OP that you also think no Aircraft were involved in 9/11?

If so can you tell us what happened to the aircraft, crews and passengers?
Where are they now?

Do you also think that some kind of secret 'Directed Energy Weapon' was used to destrou the towers>

In another thread you seem to be supporting the use of Thermite or Thermate to destroy the towers.

Which one is it? or is it both at the same time?

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Do I take it that your support for the OP that you also think no Aircraft were involved in 9/11?

If so can you tell us what happened to the aircraft, crews and passengers?
Where are they now?

Do you also think that some kind of secret 'Directed Energy Weapon' was used to destrou the towers>

In another thread you seem to be supporting the use of Thermite or Thermate to destroy the towers.

Which one is it? or is it both at the same time?

My hunch is Bill is a troll, and Jam is insane...

 

[Andy_Ross]

pretty much spot on.

 

[Oystein]

You say insurers "have paid" the airline companies, then you quote an article estimating what the losses "will be". Do you have any evidence that insurance claims for hull losses were settled or even filed?

I think you are out on a long limb if you want to interprete the "will" so tediously and all-inclusive.