Apparently Dave Thomas and others debating Gage, Harrit etc on Coast to Coast?

[Seymour Butz]

no one believes 9/11 was done by al queada anymore. no one that is, those of us with half a brain do.

ftfy.

 

[Telltale Tom]

So, Sword Master, (hmmmm...) I guess that Mr. Nist, Dr. Shayam Sunder's word is NOT good enough for you?

Playing with that "sword" a little too often, I'd say.

And this business of a non-symmetrical fall, okay, I'm open....show me a video where the collapse of building 7 does NOT display the roof like falling straight down. And I don't know if you're familiar with the streets of Manhattan down there but they are extremely narrow. Amazingly, the collapse of WTC7 did NO damage to any of its neighboring buildings.

So, put down that sword and show me that video.

Thanks.

Nice one Professor,

I think most of the group here do not realize that there are many many more videos supporting the CD theory than against it. And that the videos are indeed our proof of CD.

You look at it and it looks like CD, people should be able to judge on that alone.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I know it's a waste of time to ask some of these people but why is it absolutely inconceivable, unfathomable, unbearable, and earth shattering that under a worst case scenario a building could lose it's structural integrity/stability and collapse in part or whole?

 

[bill smith]

ftfy.

Very stylish SB. But maybe you hadn't seen the classic clip on the Al-Quaeda Myth ? If you need a link for the whole documantary I'm sure I can track it down for you. Anyway here is the clip to be going on with. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTTgpsAs4_c&feature=related

 

[bill smith]

I know it's a waste of time to ask some of these people but why is it absolutely inconceivable, unfathomable, unbearable, and earth shattering that under a worst case scenario a building could lose it's structural integrity/stability and collapse in part or whole?

No Steel framed hi-rise skyscraper has ever been brought down cleanly in any other way than by explosive controlled demolition. This includes WTC1,WTC2 and WTC7.

 

[Mr.Herbert]

No Steel framed hi-rise skyscraper has ever been brought down cleanly in any other way than by explosive controlled demolition. This includes WTC1,WTC2 and WTC7.

And how many have been brought down by super sekrit gubmint therm*te?

 

[bill smith]

And how many have been brought down by super sekrit gubmint therm*te?

You know..

 

[fess]

You know..

Thank you for the compliment B.S., yes, we do know, and we can prove it. It would be nice if you could offer proof to the contrary, but you have proven time and time again, that you can’t.

Originally Posted by bill smith
No Steel framed hi-rise skyscraper has ever been brought down cleanly in any other way than by explosive controlled demolition. This includes WTC1,WTC2 and WTC7.

Before 2001, how many times had a 110 storey building of “tube in tube” construction, been hit by a 767 carrying 10K gallons of jet fuel at a speed of ~500MPH?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

And how many have been brought down by super sekrit gubmint therm*te?

More importantly I think they have a very unique definition of "cleanliness" if they think having all of the buildings on the trade center site crushed/damaged defines it.

 

[bill smith]

Thank you for the compliment B.S., yes, we do know, and we can prove it. It would be nice if you could offer proof to the contrary, but you have proven time and time again, that you can’t.




Before 2001, how many times had a 110 storey building of “tube in tube” construction, been hit by a 767 carrying 10K gallons of jet fuel at a speed of ~500MPH?

Fess....WTC7 was only a hundred yards from the Hudson river. Your people say that WTC7 burned down because the fires were unfought due to a lack of water.

Yet we all know and can prove with pictures and video that the fires were very small for the first few hours and burning unconnected and seperately on only a handful of different floors. Isolated Pockets of fire you might say in the technical jargon.

Why did you firemen not use the firetrucks to pump water from the River the 100 yards up to WTC7 ? Truck-to-truck-to truck if necessary. Or drop in even bigger pumps by chopper ? Was there some kind of technical problem that stopped them taking these obvious steps ?

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[angrysoba]

Fess....WTC7 was only a hundred yards from the Hudson river. Your people say that WTC7 burned down because the fires were unfought due to a lack of water.

Yet we all know and can prove with pictures and video that the fires were very small for the first few hours and burning seperately on only a handful of seperated floors. Isolated Pockets of fire you might say in the technical jargon.

Why did you firemen not use the firetrucks to pump water from the River the 100 yards up to WTC7 ? Truck-to-truck-to truck if necessary. Or drop in even bigger pumps by chopper ? Was there asome kind of technical problem that stopped them taking these obvious steps ?
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Well yes Bill. The obvious problem was that there were lots of documents in the WTC7 that had to be got rid of and the sinister owners thought the most efficient way of doing that would be to make the whole building fall down and hopefully crush them instead of releasing them to scatter all over Manhattan.

 

[bill smith]

Well yes Bill. The obvious problem was that there were lots of documents in the WTC7 that had to be got rid of and the sinister owners thought the most efficient way of doing that would be to make the whole building fall down and hopefully crush them instead of releasing them to scatter all over Manhattan.

Nah, no need...They could have just as easily burned the documents and said they were destroyed in the building. That's just another little red herring.

 

[Humanzee]

Hmm...dunno....they might have been distracted with the task of searching for fellow firemen trapped in the rubble of WTC1 and 2.

Aside from that, are you agreeing that WTC7 fell because of uncontrolled fire?

And beside that..your response seemes like a dodge from the point Fess was making.

Before 2001, how many times had a 110 storey building of “tube in tube” construction, been hit by a 767 carrying 10K gallons of jet fuel at a speed of ~500MPH?

 

[TSR]

Why did you firemen not use the firetrucks to pump water from the River the 100 yards up to WTC7 ?

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Perhaps the teeny tiny fact that you're off by almost 3x on this distance?
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[angrysoba]

Nah, no need...They could have just as easily burned the documents and said they were destroyed in the building. That's just another little red herring.

Or they could have burnt the documents and said they were destroyed in the fire. Why the need for a demolition of the building? Oh, to cover up the fact they set the fire. And how did they cover up the demolition? By conning the world's media and filling the building up with thermite charges that destroyed themselves or using explosives and having all of the audio scrubbed from the tracks and onwards and upwards with ever-more elaborate methods that are so far-fetched that no one would believe it.

Right?

 

[bill smith]

Or they could have burnt the documents and said they were destroyed in the fire. Why the need for a demolition of the building? Oh, to cover up the fact they set the fire. And how did they cover up the demolition? By conning the world's media and filling the building up with thermite charges that destroyed themselves or using explosives and having all of the audio scrubbed from the tracks and onwards and upwards with ever-more elaborate methods that are so far-fetched that no one would believe it.

Right?

That's another story

Calm down..

 

[tuc0]

Why did you firemen not use the firetrucks to pump water from the River the 100 yards up to WTC7 ? Truck-to-truck-to truck if necessary. Or drop in even bigger pumps by chopper ? Was there some kind of technical problem that stopped them taking these obvious steps ?

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Wouldn't it have been even more obvious for them to just call random people in Manhattan and have them bring their fire extinguishers? Why even bother the fire department with such tiny fires?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Hmmmm.... looks like I've been censored already. Not worthy of JREF. Or maybe it is...

In the post you are whining about, you describe interviewing members of the FDNY. By any chance did you interview these firefighters?

I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run.
–FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti

When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers

It was fully engulfed, that whole building. There were pieces of tower two [sic: he probably means tower one] in building Seven and the corners of the building missing and what-not. But just looking up at it from ground level however many stories -- it was 40 some odd -- you could see the flames going straight through from one side of the building to the other, that’s an entire block.
– Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy, FDNY

We spoke to with a FDNY Chief who has his men holed up in the US Post Office building. He informed us that the fires in building 7 were uncontrollable and that its collapse was imminent. There were no fires inside the loading dock (of 7) at this time but we could hear explosions deep inside.
–Port Authority Police Department Officer William Connors

"There's number Seven World Trade. That's the OEM bunker." We had a snicker about that. We looked over, and it's engulfed in flames and starting to collapse."
–Firefighter Gerard Suden

The whole south side of Seven World Trade had been hit by the collapse of the second Tower, and there was fire on every floor."
– Fire Captain Brenda Berkman

"When I got out and onto a clear pile, I see that 7 World Trade Center and the customs house have serious fire. Almost every window has fire. It is an amazing site.
–Captain Jay Jonas, Ladder 6, FDNY

7 World Trade was burning from the ground to the ceiling fully involved. It was unbelievable.
–Firefighter Steve Modica

So I attempted to get in through the Barkley Street ramp which is on Barkley (sic) and West Broadway, but I was being held back by the fire department, because 7 World Trade, which is above the ramp, was now fully engulfed.
–PAPD K-9 Sergeant David Lim

We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors.
–FDNY Lieutenant Robert Larocco

Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down.
–FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn



These are the most experienced observers of structural fire behavior in the world. may we assume that you accede to their authority on this subject and agree that WTC7 was one of the biggest office building fires in history?

 

[bill smith]

Wouldn't it have been even more obvious for them to just call random people in Manhattan and have them bring their fire extinguishers? Why even bother the fire department with such tiny fires?

What an excellent idea.. They could have requisitioned hundreds of fire extinguishers from the surrounding skyscrapers and easily put those small initial fires out that way usuing chains of firemen to keep the guys at the front supplied and more firemen bringing in a continual supply of new extinguishers.

So between the extinguishers and the river water it seems to be obvious that the fires in WTC7 could have been easily extinguished in the first few hours when there was so little fire as we can convincingly show using the photo and video record.

 

[TSR]

What an excellent idea.. They could have requisitioned hundreds of fire extinguishers from the surrounding skyscrapers and easily put those small initial fires out that way usuing chains of firemen to keep the guys at the front supplied and more firemen bringing in a continual supply of new extinguishers.

So between the extinguishers and the river water it seems to be obvious that the fires in WTC7 could have been easily extinguished in the first few hours when there was so little fire as we can show from the photo and video record.

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I got the stundie.
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