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Dowsing 4 gold

The real problem is it works too well, and yes when I am under water dredging you always wonder if the next few inches of ground that you didn't get to is holding.
SezMe, if you ever go back there, try panning there, you'll probably be allow to, and if you know how you'll probably be surprised, especially if you remember what I showed you.
The Ideal spot there, would be about two foot down to a bottom that’s hard… bedrock, with no more that two feet of water above that. Up stream you’ll find free ground and less overburden. Most people up there if you ask will let you pan and possibly use a sluice box, dredging is a different story.
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The New target was everything I thought it would be, it bottomed out my scale and the non-target wasn’t even close so I have good separation on the scale.
There seems to be no absolute true neutral spot just weak, 15 grams is what I get and not more than that.
I’ll have to check to see if better can be found, I am not sure what the low end was up on Coffee Creek?
If I remember correctly it was about the same, so a spot with lower readings would be better but that could be a top end figure that I would want to stay below.

Next is to make a copper-dowsing rod and get a new willow stick to optimize that part of it. I need to decide which is the best for that many tries.
The stick I used today was old and snapped apart.

Then after that test myself again.

The copper would hold up and it is way more sensitive but it kind of burns your palms after a few tries, but if it works like I think it does then I will insulate the handles with black tape except were my thumbs can touch it, I may not even have to touch the copper that would be Ideal and more proof of the way I think it works and I’ll have an answer on that soon also.
Then test it all the way through.
 
Tricky said:
Edge has already admitted that he lied. It was in a post from many years ago, so I doubt that I could find it, but he said something to the effect of that he knew something screwy was going on in the room, but he hadn't come all that way to miss his chance to take the test, so when Randi asked him if his "power" was working, he lied and said "yes".

At least, that was one of his excuses. He never mentioned this to Randi even after the test was complete though.
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It wasn't really a lie, the effect and that is what it should be called, and not my powers… it was and always is working too well.
Had he asked me if the interferences where overwhelming I would have said yes.
The question is can I dowse?
The rest of what you said is true, I had to see what the test was and was like.

The only thing here to seek is the ultimate test, just because I am curious.
I never knew till after the test the prejudice against the effect of dowsing by the skeptics was like this, so cynical.

I never knew that so many had been tested before and failed.
I knew some had but they also did it differently, and I didn't know then what I know now, even if I can't do the test on my own and I fail it I will have to concede that it is un-testable and probably bunk.
 
What was the material in the containers in the JREF test and how much was there?
 
edge said:
It wasn't really a lie, the effect and that is what it should be called, and not my powers… it was and always is working too well.
Had he asked me if the interferences where overwhelming I would have said yes.
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Please Edge, don't lie again. We have the record of the test. You had every opportunity to point out problems before you started the closed test. You found all the targets in the open test. If you were doing so by visual information and not your powers, you should have said so then. By continuing without mentioning it you were lying. There is simply no way around it. At one point, you admitted this, and my respect went up for you a bit. But now it appears that you are reneging on your admission.

edge said:
The question is can I dowse?
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And the answer is, "based on the evidence, no".

edge said:
The only thing here to seek is the ultimate test, just because I am curious.
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The JREF tried to work with you on a test protocol and found you irrational and impossible to work with. You have never put together a workable protocol. For you, there will never be an "ultimate test".

edge said:
I never knew till after the test the prejudice against the effect of dowsing by the skeptics was like this, so cynical.
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There is no prejudice. Every correctly run, double-blind test of dowsers has shown that they have no such power, just as you failed. Just as these Australians failed. That's not prejudice. That's evidence.

edge said:
I knew some had but they also did it differently, and I didn't know then what I know now, even if I can't do the test on my own and I fail it I will have to concede that it is un-testable and probably bunk.
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You cannot run a proper double-blind test on your own. Even with others participating, it must be carefully constructed to prevent sensory leakage.
 
http://www.mdpub.com/prospecting/index.html
Since I only get to do prospecting while I'm on my vacations, (there's no gold here in Florida), and since vacations are short, I try to make best use of my time in the field.
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I had fun panning for gold in California and Colorado, but I never would have thought to try Florida. Maybe Vasco de Gama or Balboa took it all.
 
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Olowkow said:
http://www.mdpub.com/prospecting/index.html


I had fun panning for gold in California and Colorado, but I never would have thought to try Florida. Maybe Vasco de Gama or Balboa took it all.
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It is fun isn't it?
There's gold here but the expence to get it is very high, coins are found on the beach but there is still major loads off the inlets and out in the Atlantic.
From what I have heard it takes about 5 thousand a month just to run.

The JREF tried to work with you on a test protocol and found you irrational and impossible to work with. You have never put together a workable protocol. For you, there will never be an "ultimate test".
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What... you think the JREF is the only one that can do this, if so you are mistaken?
And the answer is, "based on the evidence, no".
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Yes it is and you only have half of the evedence, one test that was tampered with.
You cannot run a proper double-blind test on your own. Even with others participating, it must be carefully constructed to prevent sensory leakage.
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Again WhoTFDYTYA? What makes you think that the JREF are the only ones that can do this?
Steve s. says :
46. Why?
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I would have thought you were about 16.
 
edge said:
What... you think the JREF is the only one that can do this, if so you are mistaken?
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The problem isn't with the JREF, edge, it's you. You cannot seem to write or accept a coherent protocol.

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Yes it is and you only have half of the evedence, one test that was tampered with.
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Tampered with? Who tampered with it? But we've been waiting eight years for your "evidence" and all you have provided are rambling, incoherent "explanations" that conflict with reality and even themselves.

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Again WhoTFDYTYA? What makes you think that the JREF are the only ones that can do this?
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Others could. But they probably won't test you because you are impossible to work with.

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I would have thought you were about 16.
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You really shouldn't be talking. You write like an 8th grader.
 
edge said:
Your avatar sucks.
How old are you?
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Nice dodge.

Why aren't you rich?

If you could detect gold as easily as you claim why are you having to shill like this on an Internet forum? Why aren't the big mining companies etc beating a path to your door?
 
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I love the logic of dowsers. They claim huge success rates in the wilderness in which variables are many and almost impossible to account for. But put them in a properly controlled environment and they fail.

That is called not being able to do what you say you can do. If i were to say i could knock out Brock lesnar, then someone gets brock lesner, convinces him to let me crack him in the jaw, and he doesn't go down. That means i failed. One cannot say " well i could have if he wasn't just standing there letting me hit him
 
Dowsing looks like garbage to me. What is the supposed mechanism, besides magic, that is supposed to give rise to the force(s) that make tree branches point at objects we value?
 
Mister Earl said:
Dowsing looks like garbage to me. What is the supposed mechanism, besides magic, that is supposed to give rise to the force(s) that make tree branches point at objects we value?
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From what i see is using the recent findings of the well known scientists Bruce and Utsler in relation to how magnetic force relates to different objects. The findings of the study are inconclusive as to the mechanism being used, but do acknowledge the effect itself quite clearly.

Their theory, and the op's explanation are almost identical, and as much as i hate to admit it hold equal weight in changing my opinion of dowsing. I put the gist under a spoiler tag, because i feel that the theory itself is important to understand before one gets the conclusion. Just search for Bruce and Utsler in google and i am sure their previous endeavors and current research will come up.

Magnets How The **** Do They Work?
 
Edge, what was the material in the containers in the JREF test and how much was there?
 
AvalonXQ said:
According to the Swift, it was several pieces of quartz and some "gold" coins (not actually gold).
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Thank you.

So what exactly is a "gold" coin?

Is there a link to the issue of Swift or the MDC thread?
 
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