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Merged Are Holder and Obama racists? / DOJ dismisses Black Panther case

BAC, perhaps you could just PM everyone in advance exactly what you would like them to post? It will save you the trouble of having to deal with all these pesky counterarguments.
 
BeAChooser said:
So just because this thread is not about Bush, Obama's DOJ can not possibly have done anything "racist" here. :rolleyes:
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Your misscharacterization of my argument is equal to admitting your OP was false. If you actually had evidence that this is proof that the Obama DoJ was racist, you would be able to explain what Bush's DoJ actions (which parallel the current administrations actions) were fundamentally different.

You haven't done that.
BeAChooser said:
Except that's not true. You of course are perfectly entitled to prove that ... on another thread.
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Deny all you want:
The facts of the matter are:

1.) Past voter intimidation cases were difficult to convict.
2.) Bush DoJ did not pursue criminal charges on Minutemen Case involving carrying a weapon and videographing people entering to vote.
3.) Bush DoJ did not indict minutemen case.
4.) Bush DoJ did not pursue criminal charges on Black Panther case.
5.) Obama DoJ dropped indictment on 3 individuals except 1, the one holding a weapon.

It is clear that the Obama DoJ is acting in line with past administrations. If this makes Obama's Admin racist, then it also makes the Bush admin racist.
 
johnny karate said:
BAC, perhaps you could just PM everyone in advance exactly what you would like them to post?
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Read the OP. It clearly defines the topic. Since I have been severely reprimanded multiple times for discussing equivalent Clinton activities on threads with some point to make about Bush, I think it only fair that those who support Obama not be allowed to divert threads on his administration into discussions of Bush and company.
 
BeAChooser said:
Read the OP. It clearly defines the topic.
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Yup, it does define the topic all right.
To summarize the argument which you avoided:
The Obama DoJ handling of the case is consistent with past precedence. The lack of change regarding handling of the case is clearly consistent with a "non-racist" DoJ policy.
 
And so is this:

http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21PR-Black_Panther_071310.html

The National Center For Public Policy Research

July 13, 2010

Black Leader Again Requests Obama Call for Black Panther Special Prosecutor

Washington, D.C. -- After seven months of silence, and with controversy growing by the day, the chairman of the Project 21 black leadership network sent President Barack Obama a second certified letter asking for the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the Justice Department’s questionable handling of its voter intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party.

Project 21 Chairman Mychal Massie wrote a letter to President Obama on December 4, 2009 asking for a special prosecutor that continues to remain unanswered. In his second certified letter to President Obama, dated July 8, 2010, Massie wrote: "During the time that I have not been dignified with a reply, the problem has festered to a point where perceptions of racial bias within your Justice Department cannot be ignored."
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Oddly enough this case was completed well over a year ago to little fanfare. Now Adams resigns and acts as if this case was the catalyst. :boggled: It took him a year to become indignant enough to resign or even voice concerns over the supposed mishandling of this case? Something smells fishy.

Personally I feel the case shouldn't have been dismissed and the sentencing should have been at least something as innocuous as instructing the Panther members to refrain from standing in front of polling places for long periods of time. If anything Loretta King and Steve Rosenbaum (whom Adams claims ordered the dismissal) naturally, should retain much of the accountability for the dismissal. The charge handed down to Shabazz,

"enjoining Minister King Samir Shabazz from
displaying a weapon within 100 feet of any open polling location
on any election day in the City of Philadelphia, or from
otherwise violating 42 U.S.C. § 1973i(b)".
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42 U.S.C. § 1973i(b) being,

(b) Intimidation, threats, or coercion
No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, or coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any person for voting or attempting to vote, or intimidate, threaten, or coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any person for urging or aiding any person to vote or attempt to vote, or intimidate, threaten, or coerce any person for exercising any powers or duties under section 1973a (a), 1973d,[1] 1973f, 1973g,[1] 1973h, or 1973j (e) of this title.
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Not much of a sentence but a clear instruction to keep Shabazz from violating the law many feel he already violated. A slap on the wrist but not totally turning a blind eye.
 
Juniversal said:
Oddly enough this case was completed well over a year ago to little fanfare.
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False. Sure, the mainstream media might not have cared one iota but there was plenty of criticism of this decision. Here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html

AUGUST 20, 2009

Holder's Black Panther Stonewall

Why did the Justice Department dismiss such a clear case of voter intimidation?
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Next ...

Juniversal said:
It took him a year to become indignant enough to resign or even voice concerns over the supposed mishandling of this case?
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There have been many complaints from the attorneys in the Voting Rights Section about the bias at DOJ that Adams has come forward about. According to Representative Frank Wolf (http://wolf.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=34&parentid=6&sectiontree=6,34&itemid=1575 ), when Voting Section chief, Chris Coates, complained he was transferred to South Carolina and at his going away luncheon, he complained vigorously about the New Black Panther Party case. Adams resigned when it became apparent that working internally within the DOJ wasn't going to fix this travesty of justice … when it became evident that the DOJ isn't listening but just doing more stonewalling. He resigned when he and others (as he noted in his letter of resignation) were finally "ordered not to comply" with a subpoena from the US Commission on Civil Rights. In disgust. The only fishy smell is that coming from the Obama administration and Holder's DOJ.
 
BeAChooser said:
False. Sure, the mainstream media might not have cared one iota but there was plenty of criticism of this decision. Here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html
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Little fanfare =/= no fanfare.


There have been many complaints from the attorneys in the Voting Rights Section about the bias at DOJ that Adams has come forward about. According to Representative Frank Wolf (http://wolf.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=34&parentid=6&sectiontree=6,34&itemid=1575 ), when Voting Section chief, Chris Coates, complained he was transferred to South Carolina and at his going away luncheon, he complained vigorously about the New Black Panther Party case. Adams resigned when it became apparent that working internally within the DOJ wasn't going to fix this travesty of justice … when it became evident that the DOJ isn't listening but just doing more stonewalling. He resigned when he and others (as he noted in his letter of resignation) were finally "ordered not to comply" with a subpoena from the US Commission on Civil Rights. In disgust. The only fishy smell is that coming from the Obama administration and Holder's DOJ.
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[BeAChooser mode]Please stay on topic. :D My question had nothing to do with the other members of the doj. Only Adams[/BeAChooser mode]
 
BeAChooser said:
The only fishy smell is that coming from the Obama administration and Holder's DOJ.
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I meant Fishy in the sense that it's odd that he's acting as if this case was the catalyst for his departure a year after it's conclusion as opposed to biased DOJ policy in general. I smell a red herring. Not to say the supposed bias shouldn't be investigated.

Maybe i'm misunderstanding Adams. Is he claiming that they were instructed to ignore only "voting rights" cases where the victim is white but not all "civil rights" cases where the victim is white?
 
Juniversal said:
[BeAChooser mode]Please stay on topic. :D My question had nothing to do with the other members of the doj. Only Adams[/BeAChooser mode]
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No, you made the blanket assertion that "Oddly enough this case was completed well over a year ago to little fanfare."

As for something being fishy because Adams didn't resign until now:

http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/02/doj-attorney-fights-to-testify-about-black-panthers/

DOJ Attorney Fights to Testify About Black Panthers

December 2, 2009

The career Civil Rights Division attorney who helped bring a controversial voter intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party is in conflict with Justice Department lawyers, who’ve ordered him to hold off cooperating with an outside investigation of the matter.

Voting Section lawyer J. Christian Adams, who assembled the now-dismissed government lawsuit against members of the black separatist group, is arguing through his attorney that he has a legal obligation to comply with a subpoena from the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, according to correspondence reviewed by Main Justice.
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The Painter said:
Yes.
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I predict next Obama will shoe in New Black Panthers as members of his cabient and systematically remove white members of the administration in favor of fellow black militants and make the white man his slave as the socialist, facist, communist utopia becomes reality!! Muhwhahaha!!!!
 
Juniversal said:
I predict next Obama will shoe in New Black Panthers as members of his cabient and systematically remove white members of the administration in favor of fellow black militants and make the white man his slave as the socialist, facist, communist utopia becomes reality!! Muhwhahaha!!!!
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Those twerps couldn't fill even one of secretary Clinton's shoes.
 
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