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These are the big ones.

I will also point out that you're forcing your consumers to jump through hoops to try and avoid cumbersome policies that have nothing to do with the game itself.

In so far as I can tell, World of Warcraft has been a juggernaut because there isn't much quality competiton. Most of the games that come out in that genre are just crappier versions of WoW. That won't last forever. I know a new Final Fantasy multi-player game is set for release in the next 6 months.

Pissing off the fan base is great if there's nowhere to turn, but not such a good plan when there are alternatives.

But the thing I really don't understand is why they've chosen such an extreme measure to deal with such a mild problem. Just hire a few mods and severely enforce the rules for a month until people learn to behave.
Thankfully, they've rescinded the real name requirement for the forums, for now. But yes, all of the above is exactly on target. Blizz can get away with these kinds of things because there simply isn't enough competition for them.

That would lead me to side with the folks here who have seen through the "incivility" excuse and are guessing that this is some marketing campaign with facebook.
Here's some supporting evidence that makes it a fair shot more than just a guess: http://content.usatoday.com/communi...networking-deal-launches-with-starcraft-ii-/1
 
Here's some supporting evidence that makes it a fair shot more than just a guess: http://content.usatoday.com/communi...networking-deal-launches-with-starcraft-ii-/1

It seems like the word "optional" in that article sort of solves all the problems.

I've played these games on and off since the early 90's. It's a fun way to stay in contact with my brother if we're living far apart.

I'm not sure I want my clients to be able to look at my facebook page and see what games I play. I also don't want people online to know I'm a lawyer. I would quickly quit any game that required full disclosure of my identity.
 
It seems like the word "optional" in that article sort of solves all the problems.
Well, yes. When the real ID system was announced, it was announced as being completely optional. It's just a step in the direction of turning WoW, and other blizz games, into a social networking site -- which was what I was attempting to point out. And, now that Blizz has changed their mind about the forum identification thing, it's gone back to being 100% optional.

However, there is still that flaw in the Real ID software... http://www.wow.com/2010/07/06/security-flaw-allows-addons-to-expose-full-real-life-names-witho/ Supposedly it's been fixed... But... Lets just say that Blizz doesn't have the best track record with bugs or fixing them.

I've played these games on and off since the early 90's. It's a fun way to stay in contact with my brother if we're living far apart.

I'm not sure I want my clients to be able to look at my facebook page and see what games I play. I also don't want people online to know I'm a lawyer. I would quickly quit any game that required full disclosure of my identity.
Indeed. I don't even have a facebook page, as I value my privacy, and don't trust facebook (what with their recent issues, and statements by their president/founder/whathave you) to maintain that privacy.

Personally, I've disabled the Real ID system from both my, and my son's, account via the parental controls. Yes, I set up parental controls on my own account. I do think it's ridiculous that a company would put me in a position where I would feel the need to put parental controls on my own account.
 
I just started playing again, and I don't see where this Real ID thing comes into play. Where do we opt-in or out?

Granted, I haven't posted on the forums since I restarted, so maybe I just haven't seen it.
 
Lying about your account information can have repercussions. First of all, it's breach of contract. Second of all, if you have any problems with the account (hacking, billing issue, etc.) and need to verify that you're the owner, you won't be able to. Third, if Blizz figures out you lied, your account gets cancelled.

Well one has to be consistent in their story, but seriously it’s not that hard to make up a fake name. Just write it down on the inside of your box lid. The name does not even have to be credible; I always use the name of famous poets. In fact the more ridiculous it is, the less likely I think a CSR is to call you on it.

Blizzard wants my money. Blizzard is not going to cancel my account unless I do something that makes it more trouble than my monthly subscription is worth. I don't make trouble for Blizzard, and I doubt that they really care. I have no doubt that any CSR I might talk to does not care in the least. If Blizzard really cares and cancels my account, then oh well, it’s not like they are the only, or even the best game in town. Eve has much better pvp, and is more exciting to play.

This is not like lying to the IRS. A pack of Night Elves is not going to sneak into my house and backstab me. I consistently put bad info into my WoW account, Eve account, Battlenet account, and steam account. I consistently give bad information to any corporation that seems overly nosey, and really does not need to know. Corporate America has got some of you buffaloed I think.

They all want my money. I want their games. Maybe they will figure out that I’m not really Du Fu (I have never talked to their help line over the phone, but I could be a reincarnated Tang Dynasty poet, prove I’m not!) but the bottom line is if they don’t want my money it’s their loss, there are tons of different entertainment outlets out there.
 
I just started playing again, and I don't see where this Real ID thing comes into play. Where do we opt-in or out?

Granted, I haven't posted on the forums since I restarted, so maybe I just haven't seen it.
In-game, there are settings for the system under your interface settings. Out of game, there are settings in your Battle.net account, accessible through the parental controls.

http://us.battle.net/realid/faq.html -- more info
 
Thanks! You wouldn't happen to have a branch of Empirical on Sargeras, would you?
Unfortunately, no :(

We are alive and well (and growing) on Madoran though. If you ever feel like rolling an alt (or transferring, if you were so inclined) to check us out, you're more than welcome :) We have a thread in the Members Only computer gaming/entertainment section here too :)
 
Well, yes. When the real ID system was announced, it was announced as being completely optional. It's just a step in the direction of turning WoW, and other blizz games, into a social networking site -- which was what I was attempting to point out. And, now that Blizz has changed their mind about the forum identification thing, it's gone back to being 100% optional.

It's claimed it was optional, but in fact, a good deal of functionality was and still is tied to it. They've made it "optional as long as you don't want to get too involved in the community".
 
I'm all in favor of this. Accountability is a much needed concept in the online social world. Enough of all the hateful, angry posting while cowardly hiding behind a pseudonym.

See, that stuff never really bothered me anyway. It's sort of like in-game QQ. When you are in a BG and someone starts going off, calling the team a bunch of R-Tards and using obsene language, we all just sort of laugh at that person. I can't see how a few making idiots of themselves, flexing their keyboard even remotely calls for forcing everyone to use real ID's. I would say that the safety of distance is still there and a person is just as likely to go off on some kind of rant, only now, the real crazies would have had access to personal info.
 
Even though I don't post anything inflammatory on the WoW forums, I don't want people seeing my real information. There are cruel people on there and they will try to harm you regardless of your attitude. I feel like this is only harming the civil people, and the trolls will just take a more subtle route in bashing you.


Say I want to post a question on the forums. Suppose my character's name is Halkor. If I post that question, and later accidentally piss somebody off in game, then can they look up "Halkor" in forum search and find my real name?

I've been off WoW for about 6 months now, but I was considering coming back for Cataclysm. Now I am not so sure.
 
It's claimed it was optional, but in fact, a good deal of functionality was and still is tied to it. They've made it "optional as long as you don't want to get too involved in the community".
As things stand, now that they've rescinded the decision to force the use of real ID's on the forums, you can still be just as active in the community without sharing your real name as you could before.

I think one of the problems with the whole real ID idea is that it ignores what makes it possible to create a community online out of a bunch of strangers. In my opinion, anonymity is actually something that allows people to interact online in ways that let them become an online community. Yes, it has it's downside, with people feeling free enough to be complete and total dickwads. But that same anonymity allows people to feel free enough to speak openly about beneficial subjects as well.

Thing is, online we don't have the tools that we do in face to face conversation to decide whether or not someone is a good idea to talk to about our lives. In the real world, I can look at someone, and see how they're dressed, if their hair is cut, if they've showered within the past 3 days, read their body language, tell if they're brandishing a machete, and make a judgement about whether or not they're dangerous or not, or trustworthy or not, or sane or not. Sure, that judgement may not be totally accurate, but it's going to be a lot more likely to be accurate than if I cannot see or hear the person I'm talking to, and have nothing to go by other than text. Without being able to make that judgement, it can be very hard for a person to feel comfortable revealing anything about themselves. Especially if that revealing about themselves is actually tied to themselves in a traceable manner. I mean, I don't even give my full name out if I meet a nice person in a bar -- and I've been able to judge them well enough to decide whether or not I want to give them my phone number.

Knowing that I can't be identified easily (yes, I'll throw that caveat in there -- people can be identified if someone tries hard enough, long enough) makes it possible for me to talk about myself, my life, my point of view on controversial issues, with these complete strangers online. That anonymity is what actually allows me to build relationships with them. That very same anonymity is what allows me to participate in the building of a community in the first place.

Now, I'm not saying that community building online can't happen unless everyone is anonymous. I'm sure there are online communities out there who use real names and do just fine. Thing is, the ones I know about are a) very very small in comparison to WoW, and b) related to a real world subject -- for example, being a professional writer, where you WANT to publicize your name so that people can read your work. WoW has neither of those two aspects.

You have people of all ages, genders, races, religions, localities, professions, past times, etc. who play the game. Millions of people with nothing in common other than this fictional role playing game where the whole point is to not be yourself. A game where, on some servers, it is against the rules to make real world references in open chat. Where it is against the rules to name yourself after a real world figure. Suddenly requiring people to converse with their real names... It's beyond counter intuitive. It goes against the entire spirit of the game.

But, thankfully, for now (yeah, for now... who knows what the future holds on this subject), real names are not required. The real ID system doesn't have a whole lot of functionality currently. Not that many people even use it (based upon my own insufficient sample). Those who do use it have reported that they're not real happy with it, because it reveals wayyyy too much about where they are or what they're doing online (no more hopping to a lesser known alt on another server to escape your annoying friends for half an hour -- they know all your characters now, and can message you anywhere on the battle.net network), as well as that it reveals your real name not just to your friends, but to friends of your friends -- people that you may not know, and don't know what they'll do with your info. All it is right now is a fancy inter-realm communication system. An instant messenger that uses real names. There's not much "community" that you miss out on by not using it.
 
Just as a matter of curiosity, what do you think your $15/month is worth to them?

More than enough for the world-class idiot that is Activision's boss to come up with this scheme. The main idea never seems to have been anything else than tying the forums to Facebook so people can invite their RL or imaginary friends to play WoW.

We're talking people who have seen first hand what $15 a month means when it's times 11 million players.
 
Even though I don't post anything inflammatory on the WoW forums, I don't want people seeing my real information. There are cruel people on there and they will try to harm you regardless of your attitude. I feel like this is only harming the civil people, and the trolls will just take a more subtle route in bashing you.


Say I want to post a question on the forums. Suppose my character's name is Halkor. If I post that question, and later accidentally piss somebody off in game, then can they look up "Halkor" in forum search and find my real name?

Unfortunately, as you yourself say in the first paragraph, you don't even need to piss someone off. Horny deranged teen looking up that hot chick that totally must have the hots for him because she healed him in the Deadmines, would also be a very common scenario.

Plus, pissing someone off can mean as little rolling "need" on some piece of low level crap that he wanted too, or being the n'th person who kicked him out of a group for acting like a retard, or being the guy/gal who killed him three times in a row in a battleground, or the one who called his retarded CT a retarded CT, or, yes, being the chick who humiliated him when he came up with a lame pick up line.

There are some really crazy people out there. Even if we're to take only the one in a million kind of crazy, the ones so divorced from reality that they even have an injunction on being anywhere near it, by sheer statistics at WoW's population there'd be about a dozen of those running around.

Not to mention that it's not even limited to the crazies in the game, since the forum is readable by everyone. There'd be nothing to stop someone from googling the local nerd after the next school shooting (we all know that gamers are the kind who'll shoot the school up, after all;)) or some deranged kid searching for a gamer girl to stalk, or whatever, really.
 
Unfortunately, as you yourself say in the first paragraph, you don't even need to piss someone off. Horny deranged teen looking up that hot chick that totally must have the hots for him because she healed him in the Deadmines, would also be a very common scenario.

Plus, pissing someone off can mean as little rolling "need" on some piece of low level crap that he wanted too, or being the n'th person who kicked him out of a group for acting like a retard, or being the guy/gal who killed him three times in a row in a battleground, or the one who called his retarded CT a retarded CT, or, yes, being the chick who humiliated him when he came up with a lame pick up line.

There are some really crazy people out there. Even if we're to take only the one in a million kind of crazy, the ones so divorced from reality that they even have an injunction on being anywhere near it, by sheer statistics at WoW's population there'd be about a dozen of those running around.

Not to mention that it's not even limited to the crazies in the game, since the forum is readable by everyone. There'd be nothing to stop someone from googling the local nerd after the next school shooting (we all know that gamers are the kind who'll shoot the school up, after all;)) or some deranged kid searching for a gamer girl to stalk, or whatever, really.

That's what I am afraid of. Being female, I already have people e-stalking me and harassing me while I am just trying to play. Goodness knows I do not need any of that IRL. :(
 
I would just hate to run across people I know in real life. What if that stupid dwarf you killed in WG all those times turns out to be your boss? That would be totally awesome if you knew, but not if they did.
 
That's what I am afraid of. Being female, I already have people e-stalking me and harassing me while I am just trying to play. Goodness knows I do not need any of that IRL. :(
I had someone send me a rather crude pickup line to the female BE Pally I was playing. I couldn't quite decide how to feel about it, being a guy and all, so I settled on faint amusement about him not knowing who he had just propositioned and ignored it.
 
Just as a matter of curiosity, what do you think your $15/month is worth to them?

Well I guess its worth about $90 per year. I realy don't know what kind of profit margin Wow is running on, but I tend to guess a 50% margin but am willing to be educated if that is way off base.

I assume as long as I don't eat up CSR or other employee time, or do things that cases away toehr customers of theirs Blizzard realy does not care.
 
I was looking for this story, I couldn't find it and I'm in a hurry, but I remember hearing about gangs in Korea that would hunt down people who played against them in cyberspace and rough them up. Apparently quite a few Koreans regularly play in internet cafes.

I doubt this would happen regularly here, but there's an example of why anonymity might be advantageous. Physical violence is an extreme version of the real life crossover, but other forms of harassment are quite expected.
 

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