Apparently Dave Thomas and others debating Gage, Harrit etc on Coast to Coast?

[DaveThomasNMSR]

I understand completely. Why bother with facts when you can just BS?

Hey, even your initials are "BS".

Could it be... Poe?

 

[bill smith]

Hey, even your initials are "BS".

Could it be... Poe?

Accidental maybe...

 

[Grizzly Bear]

No not fraudulent, just highly speculative, without any commensurate physical evidence to support a very audacious hypothesis.

It's a fact that the properties of the steel used in the building's construction are very well known and documented. I truly hope you're not suggesting the documentation itself is speculative, because I can tell you straight off it's not.

 

[RedIbis]

It's a fact that the properties of the steel used in the building's construction are very well known and documented. I truly hope you're not suggesting the documentation itself is speculative, because I can tell you straight off it's not.

No, that's not what I was saying. I'm pretty sure "the properties of the steel used in the building's construction are very well known and documented."

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I doubt it.

Argument from incredulity.

The plane would have beeen in a million widely dispersed pieces and this looked like a large spreading pool that eventually pushed some molten steel out the window.

Bare assertion fallacy.

But you are free to believe it was the aluminium if you want.

Yes, we can. No one has ever given us a reason not to.

 

[DaveThomasNMSR]

I was just thinking....if the Pentagon plane was entirely consumed by the fire then so was the plane that hit WTC2.

In that case the flowing metal had to be steel unless you want to start digging very deep. The Readers are watching....

Oh, this is a very hard one... let's see...

If you look at your YouTube link (back on page 3), especially seconds 55-58, you can see that the "liquid steel" is clearly on the northeast corner of WTC 2 (South Tower), which was hit by United Airlines Flight 175 at 9:03 a.m. (Note how the east-facing sides of both towers are gleaming in the morning sun.)

Now, if you check out this diagram/map of the planes and towers, it clearly shows that Flight 175 hit the south side of WTC2, and ended up ... in the northeast corner of the tower.

So the pieces of the plane, even if there were thousands, ended up burning on the floor in the NE corner of WTC2.

What's this "consuming" you're prattling about, anyway? The aluminum would not be "consumed", but would indeed melt at temperatures at or above 660 centigrade (1220 Fahrenheit).

So, you've got a thousand liquid puddles of aluminum, on a floor that is being pulled into a bowl shape by heated and sagging floor trusses.

Would would all that aluminum do?

Why, it would coagulate into one big, heavy pond of liquid aluminum, and then suddenly pour out onto the street when the floor started to give way.

And that's the explanation of the "liquid metal."

There's no reason to suppose that metal was steel besides your lame insistence it was.

So go ahead, convince us it was steel.

Dave

 

[bill smith]

Oh, this is a very hard one... let's see...

If you look at your YouTube link (back on page 3), especially seconds 55-58, you can see that the "liquid steel" is clearly on the northeast corner of WTC 2 (South Tower), which was hit by United Airlines Flight 175 at 9:03 a.m. (Note how the east-facing sides of both towers are gleaming in the morning sun.)

Now, if you check out this diagram/map of the planes and towers, it clearly shows that Flight 175 hit the south side of WTC2, and ended up ... in the northeast corner of the tower.

So the pieces of the plane, even if there were thousands, ended up burning on the floor in the NE corner of WTC2.

What's this "consuming" you're prattling about, anyway? The aluminum would not be "consumed", but would indeed melt at temperatures at or above 660 centigrade (1220 Fahrenheit).

So, you've got a thousand liquid puddles of aluminum, on a floor that is being pulled into a bowl shape by heated and sagging floor trusses.

Would would all that aluminum do?

Why, it would coagulate into one big, heavy pond of liquid aluminum, and then suddenly pour out onto the street when the floor started to give way.

And that's the explanation of the "liquid metal."

There's no reason to suppose that metal was steel besides your lame insistence it was.

So go ahead, convince us it was steel.

Dave

I already told you. I don't waste time pointlessly arguing it these days. I just lay out my case and trust Readers to use their own judgement.

 

[riptowtan]

There is no way that nanothermite, superthermite or explosives could create molten pools of steel. Even if they could, how would the steel remain molten for several weeks?

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

In WTC2 I think there was a problem where there was a blackage around the 82nd floor when the melted steel coming from above was impeded ,broke the fireproofing sheath and some of it flowed accross the floor and out the window as we all saw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE

Oh man, not again.

To summarize:
1. You have zero evidence, that this is liquid steel. zero, niente, nada, nullo...
2. If this is liquid steel, why is the rest of the building around it not giving a ****** It should be at least glow red. Or is it magical liquid steel, that doesn't give its huge amounts of heat to its environment?
3. Henry62 already figured out, that this could be the UPS Generator, because that was on the same floor.
Also there was no other incident like this, again, you are just cherry picking the cases that fit your fantasy and ignoring the fact, that this was the only event of this kind. So did they just melt the steel in that spot, to blow up the three buildings? Hmm, looks like we are back to magical super-ultra-nano-thermate.
4. Oh my god, there is something that glows exactly like this floating out of the Windsor Tower in Madrid, I guess that was an inside job too. The Illuminuti are everywhere, we all gonna die!

There is no way that nanothermite, superthermite or explosives could create molten pools of steel. Even if they could, how would the steel remain molten for several weeks?

It can, because its magical! Isn't that obvious?

 

[bill smith]

There is no way that nanothermite, superthermite or explosives could create molten pools of steel. Even if they could, how would the steel remain molten for several weeks?

If the pool of molten steel was large enough then it would stay molten for months. Steel cools from the putside in in little flecks on the surface that slowly join up to create a skin. I guess that the pool was 10-15,000 tons in weight after approximately one third of the core columns had been melted and drained down into the basement.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

If the pool of molten steel was large enough then it would stay molten for months. Steel cools from the putside in in little flecks on the surface that slowly join up to create a skin. I guess that the pool was 10-15,000 tons in weight after approximately one third of the core columns had been melted and drained down into the basement.

You'll be backing up this claim by showing us exactly when and where a puddle of molten steel twice the size of a US Navy destroyer was found, of course?

 

[bill smith]

So how's the jref team shaping up then ? So far we have Dave and I imagine Triforcharity as I think I heard him on a previous radio debate. What about giving Gravy another shot at Richard Gage after the last disaster ? ( Video and comments available)

 

[DaveThomasNMSR]

So how's the jref team shaping up then ? So far we have Dave and I imagine Triforcharity as I think I heard him on a previous radio debate. What about giving Gravy another shot at Richard Gage after the last disaster ? ( Video and comments available)

It's actually pretty hilarious. Gage is trying to micromanage the whole four hours down-to-the-minute, and get his team of 5 experts coming in at various moments.

Ian Punnett has told Gage that he doesn't tell Gage how to design buildings, and has asked Gage why he's telling him (Punnett) how to structure a radio show.

It's pretty comical. I imagine the Keystone Cops would be better organized than Gage and crew. I still don't know who his second will be, but Punnett is telling him to pick One, and be done with it.

I asked Zdenek Bazant if he wanted to be on our team, but he declined. However, I don't think he would have been as effective at all the political/polemic truther tactics as will be my co-debater, physicist Kim Johnson of NMSR, who co-hosted our science radio show with me for four years.

The debate is not going to be pretty, Bill. It's just three weeks until the truther movement's demise. You heard it here first. Gage, Jones, Chandler, Griffin, Harritt, et. al. -- they are goin' down.

I already told you. I don't waste time pointlessly arguing it these days. I just lay out my case and trust Readers to use their own judgement.

They will. And you are clearly pointless. And a lousy speller to boot.

Dave

 

[bill smith]

It's actually pretty hilarious. Gage is trying to micromanage the whole four hours down-to-the-minute, and get his team of 5 experts coming in at various moments.

Ian Punnett has told Gage that he doesn't tell Gage how to design buildings, and has asked Gage why he's telling him (Punnett) how to structure a radio show.

It's pretty comical. I imagine the Keystone Cops would be better organized than Gage and crew. I still don't know who his second will be, but Punnett is telling him to pick One, and be done with it.

I asked Zdenek Bazant if he wanted to be on our team, but he declined. However, I don't think he would have been as effective at all the political/polemic truther tactics as will be my co-debater, physicist Kim Johnson of NMSR, who co-hosted our science radio show with me for four years.

The debate is not going to be pretty, Bill. It's just three weeks until the truther movement's demise. You heard it here first. Gage, Jones, Chandler, Griffin, Harritt, et. al. -- they are goin' down.



They will. And you are clearly pointless. And a lousy speller to boot.

Dave

Actually I am reasonably sure the the jref 9/11 section will be shut down if you don't get this right. As you know the idea has been floated a number of times already. You are becoming a liability. So a lot hangs on this.

It's a shame that Bazant shied off but what did you expect ? I mean Heiwa might be on the other side and that would be sure to cook Bazant's goose.

So for the rest let's have a nice clean fight and may the Truth about 9/11 win.

 

[Edx]

I mean Heiwa might be on the other side and that would be sure to cook Bazant's goose.
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HAHAHA The BEST thing would be if Heiwa were on the truther's side, then all you have to do is get him to explain all his crazy beliefs, like no planes and so on.

 

[Edx]

If the pool of molten steel was large enough then it would stay molten for months.

Still requires enough energy to make it molten Bill, so how much thermite do you think was in the towers?

Oh and I think Sword_Of_Truth asked you a question:
You'll be backing up this claim by showing us exactly when and where a puddle of molten steel twice the size of a US Navy destroyer was found, of course?

 

[DGM]

Still requires enough energy to make it molten Bill, so how much thermite do you think was in the towers?

Oh and I think Sword_Of_Truth asked you a question:
You'll be backing up this claim by showing us exactly when and where a puddle of molten steel twice the size of a US Navy destroyer was found, of course?

It's a fantasy to believe it would stay molten for months. Get him to explain that with a few numbers. I bet he runs.

 

[DaveThomasNMSR]

Actually I am reasonably sure the the jref 9/11 section will be shut down if you don't get this right. As you know the idea has been floated a number of times already. You are becoming a liability. So a lot hangs on this.

It's a shame that Bazant shied off but what did you expect ? I mean Heiwa might be on the other side and that would be sure to cook Bazant's goose.

So for the rest let's have a nice clean fight and may the Truth about 9/11 win.

Heiwa cooking Bazant's goose?

Gage wanted at least four additional team members on the show, and has been told to pick ONE. So I imagine his partner will be one of Kevin Ryan (chem.), Michael Donly (P.E.), Niels Harrit (chem.), or Erik Lawyer (Firefighter)

 

[bill smith]

Still requires enough energy to make it molten Bill, so how much thermite do you think was in the towers?

Oh and I think Sword_Of_Truth asked you a question:
You'll be backing up this claim by showing us exactly when and where a puddle of molten steel twice the size of a US Navy destroyer was found, of course?

I am not familiar with these 5-7,500 ton Destroyers you guys are talking about. What class are they ?

 

[Edx]

I am not familiar with these 5-7,500 ton Destroyers you guys are talking about. What class are they ?

I believe he was just giving a sense of scale to your claim of how much molten steel there was. So how 'bout an answer?