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Apparently Dave Thomas and others debating Gage, Harrit etc on Coast to Coast?

bill smith said:
True. and you could fill selected columns right up to the 88th floor if you wanted. Even if you thinned out the core columns by entirely melting say one third of the entire core column structure the building would still stand. (The core had a factor of safety of 3 or more) And if you sequenced the melt fom bottom to top the melted steel would all drain down into the basement where it would remain bubbling for say ....Oh....three or four months.
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That could have been more than difficult.


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fess said:
That could have been more than difficult.


[qimg]http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff72/fess_1/911/DSCN0945_hires.jpg[/qimg]
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The difficulty is in getting him to acknowledge it.

If anyone wants to prove waterboarding actually works, using it to get a truther to acknowledge evidence they've been shown would be the ultimate test. They've resisted everything else.
 
bill smith said:
given that this thread is largely to give tips to members of the jref team in the matter of the coast-to-coast debate I think I should be allowed to pass on potential ideas to members of the other side who may well be monitoring this thread.
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Sounds fair to me.

Remember the famous Dr. Astaneh-Asl who examined some of the WTC fireproofing and appeared to be quite surprised at it's glassy texture ? Nice tubes for the melted steel to flow through down into the basements no doubt.
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The only answer I can come up with is; you have to be kidding... right?

It would be interesting to watch the debunkers answer convincingly.
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If they could stop laughing long enough, yes, it would be interesting.
 
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bill smith said:
I think you should ask Harrit if the core columns ( which were all hollow) could have had the nanothermite pumped inside them. Ask him if the many tons he posits could have been hidden in this way until ignition.
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This is actually a fantastic debate method. Dave, you get Harrit/Jones to agree that nanothermite was used exclusively in the destruction of the towers, and then ask Gage to explain how the nanothermite caused steel beams to fling out from the collapse front. Since Gage says that's proof of explosives being used, you could potentially get the truthers arguing with each other, and then go out and drink beer instead of wasting time.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
The difficulty is in getting him to acknowledge it.

If anyone wants to prove waterboarding actually works, using it to get a truther to acknowledge evidence they've been shown would be the ultimate test. They've resisted everything else.
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Oh how many times have I had sweet dreams like that... :boggled:
 
So the poor jref team doesn't seem to be getting a lot of tips right now. They will have to go out there and be made fools of by Richard Gage's Truth Team at this rate

Come on guys....lend a hand or watch your colleagues crash and burn on the coast-to-coast debate...
 
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bill smith said:
So the poor jref team doesn't seem to be getting a lot of tips right now. They will have to go out there and be made fools of by Richard Gage's Truth Team at this rate

Come on guys....lend a hand or watch your colleagues crash and burn on the coast-to-coast debate...
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the only way richard gage could make someone else look like a fool is for that person to find something more ridiculous than cardboard boxes to simulate the WTC. and i pretty sure heiwa covered all of those already.
 
bill smith said:
So the poor jref team doesn't seem to be getting a lot of tips right now. They will have to go out there and be made fools of by Richard Gage's Truth Team at this rate

Come on guys....lend a hand or watch your colleagues crash and burn on the coast-to-coast debate...
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Until Richard Gage goes to the hair clinic, I won't take him seriously.
 
grandmastershek said:
the only way richard gage could make someone else look like a fool is for that person to find something more ridiculous than cardboard boxes to simulate the WTC. and i pretty sure heiwa covered all of those already.
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The last run-in that Richard Gage had with the jref was with one of your elite top guns. No less than the debunking director himself (the former debunking director that is ) So on the strength of that we are keenly anticipating the next encounter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKFiGfW6aGY&feature=player_embedded
 
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Any thoughts on the photograph Fess provided, Bill?

How is your magic thermite going to flow through columns that have ben sealed and riveted at both ends?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Any thoughts on the photograph Fess provided, Bill?

How is your magic thermite going to flow through columns that have ben sealed and riveted at both ends?
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No problem. Each section is individually filled. When that nenothermite ignites the steel nelts instantly plates and all.

In WTC2 I think there was a problem where there was a blackage around the 82nd floor when the melted steel coming from above was impeded ,broke the fireproofing sheath and some of it flowed accross the floor and out the window as we all saw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE
 
bill smith said:
No problem. Each section is individually filled. When that nenothermite ignites the steel nelts instantly plates and all.

In WTC2 I think there was a problem where there was a blackage around the 82nd floor when the melted steel coming from above was impeded ,broke the fireproofing sheath and some of it flowed accross the floor and out the window as we all saw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE
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So Bill - how do you know this was melted steel, and not melted aluminum from the airplane fuselage? (I'm presuming you might know that aluminum melts at much lower temperatures than steel...)

Just curious ...
Dave
 
DaveThomasNMSR said:
So Bill - how do you know this was melted steel, and not melted aluminum from the airplane fuselage? (I'm presuming you might know that aluminum melts at much lower temperatures than steel...)

Just curious ...
Dave
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I doubt it. The plane would have beeen in a million widely dispersed pieces and this looked like a large spreading pool that eventually pushed some molten steel out the window.

But you are free to believe it was the aluminium if you want.
 
bill smith said:
I doubt it. The plane would have beeen in a million widely dispersed pieces and this looked like a large spreading pool that eventually pushed some molten steel out the window.

But you are free to believe it was the aluminium if you want.
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Likewise, you are free to answer the question I asked, and provide even one scrap of evidence that this was flowing steel.

If you want.

Just so we're clear, "I doubt it" is not considered Evidence, but rather Opinion.

Dave
 
DaveThomasNMSR said:
Likewise, you are free to answer the question I asked, and provide even one scrap of evidence that this was flowing steel.

If you want.

Just so we're clear, "I doubt it" is not considered Evidence, but rather Opinion.

Dave
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I don't do those pointless arguments about whether it was steel or aluminium any more. I just go on the likelihood,
 
DaveThomasNMSR said:
So Bill - how do you know this was melted steel, and not melted aluminum from the airplane fuselage? (I'm presuming you might know that aluminum melts at much lower temperatures than steel...)

Just curious ...
Dave
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I was just thinking....if the Pentagon plane was entirely consumed by the fire then so was the plane that hit WTC2.

In that case the flowing metal had to be steel unless you want to start digging very deep. The Readers are watching....
 
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