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Dancing David said:
Yeah I have to say that is a low bar for intimidation.
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Well ProjectVote is up in arms because people were "heckled" as they walked to a polling station. An even lower bar for intimidation.

Seriously, David, you wouldn't be intimidated if three black men, with attitude, wearing black panther uniforms, one brandishing a night stick in a rather menacing manner, and all of whom were reportedly making racial slurs (according to several witnesses), were standing between you and the doors to a polling station? You're a man's man, David. :D
 
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BeAChooser said:
Actually, there were 3 NBP members there and even if there was only one, does that mean it's no longer a serious crime.
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I was unaware it had ever been a serious crime to be a New Black Panther member. Other than the sick, you have yet to establish that any crime had occurred.

BeAChooser said:
If only one person is at a polling station we are now going to simply ignore it? Especially if they aren't brandishing any obvious weapons. The taunts, menacing appearance and such are perfectly ok? At least as long as you're democrat? :rolleyes:
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What taunts? What menacing appearance (unless you count dressing in all black and/or combat fatigues menacing, in which case we have a bunch of angst teenagers to jail)?
 
Upchurch said:
It doesn't mean it did happen, either. If that is the best they had, I'm starting to understand why the case was dropped for lack of evidence.
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I do find this concerning:
To support its evidence, the government had secured an affidavit from Bartle Bull, a longtime civil rights activist and former aide to Sen. Robert F. Kennedy's 1968 presidential campaign. Mr. Bull said in a sworn statement dated April 7 that he was serving in November as a credentialed poll watcher in Philadelphia when he saw the three uniformed Panthers confront and intimidate voters with a nightstick.

Inexplicably, the government did not enter the affidavit in the court case, according to the files.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/print/
It seems he was an eye witness.
Why was the affidavit not entered? What does that exactly mean?
 
joobz said:
For King, who held a weapon, this is a legitimate complaint and one I would like to know more about.
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By the way, joobz, in terms of the *punishment* that was given Shabazz, it's already illegal to display a weapon at a polling place. So what punishment was he actually given?
 
Upchurch said:
What taunts? What menacing appearance
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The complaint from the government stated that the men engaged in "coercion, threats and intimidation, ... racial threats and insults, ... menacing and intimidating gestures, ... and movements directed at individuals who were present to vote." Bartle Bull said he heard one yell "You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker!" You don't call that a taunt?

As for menacing appearance, imagine it's three Ku Klux Klan members in their uniforms, with nightsticks (or even without), standing in front of a polling place. Would that be ok in your mind, Upchurch?
 
BeAChooser said:
Actually, there were 3 NBP members there and even if there was only one, does that mean it's no longer a serious crime. If only one person is at a polling station we are now going to simply ignore it? Especially if they aren't brandishing any obvious weapons. The taunts, menacing appearance and such are perfectly ok? At least as long as you're democrat? :rolleyes:
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Those aren't the words I said.

Apparently the taunts were also by the stick holder, were they not?

Menacing appearance, okay.
 
Dancing David said:
Apparently the taunts were also by the stick holder, were they not?
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The government complaint stated that all three men were involved in that.

According to Adams (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,595683,00.html ) five attorneys worked on it: Chris Coates, Bob Popper, Spencer Fisher, Grace Chung Becker and him. When the defendants didn't show, the court found for the prosecution (against all three men). All they had to do at that point was tell the judge what punishment they wanted.

Now Adams says that Chris Coates and Bob Popper were ordered by Steve Rosenbaum and Loretta King, two political officials at the DOJ, to dismiss the case. He says there is sworn testimony from the Civil Rights Commission that Jackson (the one without the baton) tried to stop people from going to the polls. He said "witnesses testified that he tried to block them from entering the polls." What do you say we just put Coates and Popper under oath and ask what happened? And ask them what the witnesses had to say under oath? Hmmmmmm? Go ahead, read the above interview with Adams. It's pretty damning, if true. And if it's not true I'd think the democrat side of the aisle would be eager to prove it false. But they are not, are they? ;)
 
I don't care what sortrs of things Bull did in the past. He is going nuts and spewing the lunatic fringe propoganda about ACORN. Lots of former liberals have sold out over the course of 40 years. I do not find him credible. That he defends a jerk like Adams is proof to me that he is a rotten judge of character.

When they can produce credible documents, they might have a case. Otherwise, I consider the blather about orders not to prosecute black violators to be baseless rumors spread by some of the most corrupt slimeballs to have evewr worked in DoJ.

Bear in mind that most of the DoJ people in high positions at the time of the transition were hired under arguably the two worst Attorneys General the country has ever had.
 
ANTPogo said:
Why yes, there was. Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez said in testimony before the Civil Rights Commission:

"In another case, in Arizona, the complaint was received by a national civil rights organization regarding events in Pima, Arizona in the 2006 election when three well-known anti-immigrant advocates affiliated with the Minutemen, one of whom was carrying a gun, allegedly intimidated Latino voters at a polling place by approaching several persons, filming them, and advocating and printing voting materials in Spanish.

In that instance, the Department declined to bring any action for alleged voter intimidation, notwithstanding the requests of the complaining parties."

He also mentioned another instance, in 2005, where the Bush DOJ didn't pursue voter intimidation charges against "armed Mississippi State investigators" who were accused of intimidating elderly minority voters by visiting them in their homes and asking them who they voted for, "in spite of state law protections that explicitly forbid such inquiries."

Perez also stated that the standards of proof for voter intimidation were incredibly high, and that in only three cases were criminal charges ever filed under Section 11(b) of the Voting Rights Act (the voter intimidation clause) since the law was passed in 1965. Three, in almost fifty years.

But I'm sure there's a really good reason that Adams (and BeAChooser) are all bent out of shape about this one particular instance, and yet were as quiet as church mice regarding every single other instance (save for thrice in forty-five years) where the DOJ declined to pursue voter intimidation charges against someone so accused.

Right?
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Thanks for looking that up. That's important context.
 
BeAChooser said:
Well ProjectVote is up in arms because people were "heckled" as they walked to a polling station. An even lower bar for intimidation.
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What did the heckling involve? I have not an opinion and you are off topic, unless you want to discuss similar cases where other charges were dismissed as well.
Seriously, David, you wouldn't be intimidated if three black men, with attitude, wearing black panther uniforms, one brandishing a night stick in a rather menacing manner, and all of whom were reportedly making racial slurs (according to several witnesses), were standing between you and the doors to a polling station? You're a man's man, David. :D
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Nice appeal to emotion, what witness and evidemce taht it was more than one member of the NBP that was engaging in taunts?

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Sorry, I see people posturing like that all the time, so I judge a big differences between posing and intimidation, it is a variety of factors.
 
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