I have already commented, in depth, on it in the prior thread as previously noted and linked.
The quote begins with an "it is believed" declaration and that sort of declaration is to the same effect as "it is postulated". Belief is not the same as proof, right?
The proof is what is believed to be parts of the planes which struck the towers. The proof is what is being evaluated, not disputed.
Now if you can't distinguish how a report is actually written up as opposed to how you want it written up to show opinion, then this is a huge fault you're stuck with. All reports are initially written up as the "alleged": It's standard procedure.
You may have answered my question regarding your sanity..
There is a difference between 'believing' the planes crashed, and 'knowing'. The sane world knows 2 planes were flown into the WTC by hijackers, that is a fact. Where is your evidence to the contrary?
*sigh*- Once again, I will remind you that it has been proven that 2 planes crashed into the Twin Towers because :
(A) There were thousands of eye witnesses on site
(B) Millions of witnesses saw it live on tv, and dozens recorded it on camcorders
(C)Airplane debris was strewn on the street and nearby rooftops
(D)Remains from people who were on the planes were found at Ground Zero and on nearby rooftops
(E)Radar tracked the planes from the moment they took off to the moment they crashed
(F) Calls from the planes confirmed they were hijacked, Betty Ong's call was cut off the moment the plane crashed.
How much more evidence does one need that the planes crashed?
We're getting closer here. You are now disclosing what informs your "belief" and also what convinces you that your "belief" goes beyond merely something you hold to be true, but which is actually true and correct and beyond controversy, such that anyone who disagrees with you is not sane.
OK, so let me see if I can restate this:
Titanic Explorer asserts that what Titanic Explorer believes is true about 9/11 is absolutely, positively true about 9/11 without any doubt whatsoever, world without end, amen. And Titanic Explorer bases that absolute declaration on:
(A) There were thousands of eye witnesses on site
(B) Millions of witnesses saw it live on tv, and dozens recorded it on camcorders
(C)Airplane debris was strewn on the street and nearby rooftops
(D)Remains from people who were on the planes were found at Ground Zero and on nearby rooftops
(E)Radar tracked the planes from the moment they took off to the moment they crashed
(F) Calls from the planes confirmed they were hijacked, Betty Ong's call was cut off the moment the plane crashed.
We are now 50 pages into a thread that asked for proof of A) and none has been forthcoming.
B) To the extent that a person forms an absolute belief on the basis of something that person saw on teevee, that person is willing to be deluded.
This is a thread about all the known video of the second explosion and it has been shown that the effect of the video is to falsify the claim jetliners were involved because there is no clear, discernible image in virtually any of the videos. The blurry image that is seen does what jetliners cannot do. The explosions seen have the characteristics of pyrotechnical displays because they occur in the wrong places at the wrong time. The sound betrays the presence of a jetliner in virtually all of the videos, thus confirming, by absence of sound, that what is seen is an illusion.
Even if one does not accept the foregoing, the information upon which the claims are made cannot be ignored. It is preposterous for Titanic to come forward with an absolutist declaration on the basis of items A) and B) as each has been thoroughly refuted in this thread.
Let's continue:
C) I have already shown that not one single part or piece of a plane was positively identified and within the last 10 posts have re-confirmed that claims about plane parts are characterized by weasle words ("it is believed"; and "it is postulated") in the one official investigation, the NIST report. Thus, C) is a repitition of something that has been refuted; and, more than that, not shown to exist in the first place.
D) The "remains" claim is utterly and completely false. The degree of annihilation at the WTC was so severe that very few intact remains were found. Those in the building have not been differentiated from those who were said to be passengers. And, if one looks, there is no official claim to the contrary. NIST does not go there. Neither does AFIP or any other official source. True, you can find some DNA claims posted on stupid debunker websites, sourced to newspapers containing DNA claims, but those are not evidence.
E)I have refuted the radar claims showing that a) they are based on recollection of what some individuals recall being on the screens and b) the blips on the screen could not be differentiated from the military exercises simulating hijackings then and there taking place.
F)Calls were received. The declaration "from planes" has not been proven and cannot be proven. In fact, with respect to calls and voices, those could easily have been part of the "exercise" and, more than that, those receiving them acknowledged, in some instances, that they did not know where the voices were coming from.
And neither do you as there has been no showing of proof of origin of phone calls. Once again, if something is to be considered evidence, it has to be verified and not cut and pasted from a dumb debunker website.
In conclusion, Titanic Explorer has made the strongest possible declaration about how "right" he is about the common storyline of 9/11 and Titanic Explorer has based that mammoth sized absolutist declaration on items A) to F) that have been thoroughly refuted and shown to fail as proof of anything.
That is rich.
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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By: LashL
There are no subways in NYC. They use transporter that dematerialize and rematerialize the passengers then give them false memories of a subway. You Sheeple will believe anything.
I have already commented, in depth, on it in the prior thread as previously noted and linked.
The quote begins with an "it is believed" declaration and that sort of declaration is to the same effect as "it is postulated". Belief is not the same as proof, right?
The proof is what is believed to be parts of the planes which struck the towers. The proof is what is being evaluated, not disputed.
Now if you can't distinguish how a report is actually written up as opposed to how you want it written up to show opinion, then this is a huge fault you're stuck with. All reports are initially written up as the "alleged": It's standard procedure.
Titanic Explorer asserts that what Titanic Explorer believes is true about 9/11 is absolutely, positively true about 9/11 without any doubt whatsoever, world without end, amen. And Titanic Explorer bases that absolute declaration on:
(A) There were thousands of eye witnesses on site
(B) Millions of witnesses saw it live on tv, and dozens recorded it on camcorders
(C)Airplane debris was strewn on the street and nearby rooftops
(D)Remains from people who were on the planes were found at Ground Zero and on nearby rooftops
(E)Radar tracked the planes from the moment they took off to the moment they crashed
(F) Calls from the planes confirmed they were hijacked, Betty Ong's call was cut off the moment the plane crashed.
There are no subways in NYC. They use transporter that dematerialize and rematerialize the passengers then give them false memories of a subway. You Sheeple will believe anything.
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You mean, like your complete lack of proof that any of the debris had been planted, or your complete lack of proof that Oliver heard a subway, or your complete lack of proof that DEW weapons made Edna Cintron jump, or ... ?
We're getting closer here. You are now disclosing what informs your "belief" and also what convinces you that your "belief" goes beyond merely something you hold to be true, but which is actually true and correct and beyond controversy, such that anyone who disagrees with you is not sane.
OK, so let me see if I can restate this:
Titanic Explorer asserts that what Titanic Explorer believes is true about 9/11 is absolutely, positively true about 9/11 without any doubt whatsoever, world without end, amen. And Titanic Explorer bases that absolute declaration on:
(A) There were thousands of eye witnesses on site
(B) Millions of witnesses saw it live on tv, and dozens recorded it on camcorders
(C)Airplane debris was strewn on the street and nearby rooftops
(D)Remains from people who were on the planes were found at Ground Zero and on nearby rooftops
(E)Radar tracked the planes from the moment they took off to the moment they crashed
(F) Calls from the planes confirmed they were hijacked, Betty Ong's call was cut off the moment the plane crashed.
We are now 50 pages into a thread that asked for proof of A) and none has been forthcoming.
B) To the extent that a person forms an absolute belief on the basis of something that person saw on teevee, that person is willing to be deluded.
This is a thread about all the known video of the second explosion and it has been shown that the effect of the video is to falsify the claim jetliners were involved because there is no clear, discernible image in virtually any of the videos. The blurry image that is seen does what jetliners cannot do. The explosions seen have the characteristics of pyrotechnical displays because they occur in the wrong places at the wrong time. The sound betrays the presence of a jetliner in virtually all of the videos, thus confirming, by absence of sound, that what is seen is an illusion.
Even if one does not accept the foregoing, the information upon which the claims are made cannot be ignored. It is preposterous for Titanic to come forward with an absolutist declaration on the basis of items A) and B) as each has been thoroughly refuted in this thread.
Let's continue:
C) I have already shown that not one single part or piece of a plane was positively identified and within the last 10 posts have re-confirmed that claims about plane parts are characterized by weasle words ("it is believed"; and "it is postulated") in the one official investigation, the NIST report. Thus, C) is a repitition of something that has been refuted; and, more than that, not shown to exist in the first place.
D) The "remains" claim is utterly and completely false. The degree of annihilation at the WTC was so severe that very few intact remains were found. Those in the building have not been differentiated from those who were said to be passengers. And, if one looks, there is no official claim to the contrary. NIST does not go there. Neither does AFIP or any other official source. True, you can find some DNA claims posted on stupid debunker websites, sourced to newspapers containing DNA claims, but those are not evidence.
E)I have refuted the radar claims showing that a) they are based on recollection of what some individuals recall being on the screens and b) the blips on the screen could not be differentiated from the military exercises simulating hijackings then and there taking place.
F)Calls were received. The declaration "from planes" has not been proven and cannot be proven. In fact, with respect to calls and voices, those could easily have been part of the "exercise" and, more than that, those receiving them acknowledged, in some instances, that they did not know where the voices were coming from.
And neither do you as there has been no showing of proof of origin of phone calls. Once again, if something is to be considered evidence, it has to be verified and not cut and pasted from a dumb debunker website.
In conclusion, Titanic Explorer has made the strongest possible declaration about how "right" he is about the common storyline of 9/11 and Titanic Explorer has based that mammoth sized absolutist declaration on items A) to F) that have been thoroughly refuted and shown to fail as proof of anything.
All of the points I made are 100% fact. 2 planes hit the towers, it was seen by a combined in person and tv audience of millions, airplane debris was found onsite, as were the remains of plane passengers. How did those remains get there if the planes never crashed?
You refuse to accept that planes hit the towers-- despite the witnesses, depite the video recordings, despite the wreckage- There is a total lack of logic in your reasoning. You have decided there were no planes, and decided to ignore the evidence.
Where is your proof the airplane debris was not airplane debris? Where is your proof that the remains of passengers were not identified? It's true the remains were very small- people tend to be shredded and blown to pieces in plane crashes, but usually dna analysis can still be performed. You seem to think Betty ong's call was a fake- do you have proof?
This is the thing Jam, there are mountains of evidence that crashes happened, and you have *nothing* to support your hologram/no plane theories.
Are you aware Alex Jones, who is as hardcore a 9/11 Truther as you will find, conciders you WTC no-planers to be completely nuts?
The burden is on YOU to prove your case, and so far, you've failed.
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