Examples of U.S. Soverign Citizen (Freeman on the Land) Failures

[Bluekush623]

If you live with someone and decide you want to be single again..you leave.

If you break up with someone, but then stay in their house, eat their food and use their washing facilities, without making any contribution, you are a freeloader.

Not to mention utterly without self respect.

But government is not a physical location it is only on paper.

 

[Bluekush623]

Ah. I think I see what you're getting at. 'If you earn nothin', you don't gotta pay nothin'?'

Not much of a life though is it? And to have that life, you have to do what several posters have already suggested; remove yourself completely from society...that means no computer, no phone line, no internet connection, no electricity, no social security cheques, no gas for cooking and heating, no medic-aid, no driving on public roads and no living in a city.

You have to go into the wilderness and build your own house, and produce your own food, and chop wood for the fire, and make your own soap, and find a way to chase away the bears (you can't take a gun with you, and I bet you're not a gunsmith), and a million other things just to survive let alone make life enjoyable.

I've dreamed of a life like that for myself, ocassional. But it's actually going to be harder work than any of us 'slaves' ever have to do, with no one to rescue you when something goes wrong...

So you head on out and I'll say more power to you and good luck.

But I'll stay right here, and work my job (slinging food at Freemasons mainly), which is loads easier than what you'll have to do, and pay my taxes thanks.

As long as you admit you can live in US without paying taxes (As you have) I have made my point, regardless of the outcome.

 

[kerikiwi]

Sledge has some misinterpretation of FOTL that it is the only system. When thats not true. Just because there are Freeman doesnt mean any or every government will be changed/destroyed.

Freeman and other governments can coexist, just like all governments coexist at the moment.

The way it is = you can be either single or a couple
How it will be = you can be either single or a couple

There is no difference between the two, as the system we reside in is not "concrete".

Remedy = becoming single again.

This needs some serious editing to even approach comprehensibility.

 

[Bluekush623]

This needs some serious editing to even approach comprehensibility.

Edited by Tricky: 

Edited for rule 12.

if you don't agree with it fine, but don't say you cant understand it.

 

[kerikiwi]

Edited by Tricky: 

Edited for quote of modded post.

if you don't agree with it fine, but don't say you cant understand it.

I am not to say I do not understand something which is incomprehensible?
I cannot agree or disagree if I do not know what you are saying.
And because you cannot make your point comprehensibly, I am the buffoon?

 

[Bluekush623]

I am not to say I do not understand something which is incomprehensible?
I cannot agree or disagree if I do not know what you are saying.
And because you cannot make your point comprehensibly, I am the buffoon?

i say that because it is very comprehensible. but whatever.

"You can lead a horse to the water but you cant make them drink."

 

[Sledge]

We don't know what you're trying to say, Bluekush. We're not saying this to annoy you, we're saying it because what you posted doesn't make any sense.

 

[Bluekush623]

We don't know what you're trying to say, Bluekush. We're not saying this to annoy you, we're saying it because what you posted doesn't make any sense.

Nothing i can do about that, ive explained myself countless times.

Im not trying to downplay anyones intelligence either but there is nothing else i can say.

the confusion is only on your end.

 

[Naddig74]

But government is not a physical location it is only on paper.

But if you remain living in an area where that piece of paper has jurisdiction, using the amenities and advantages it provides without lifting a finger to pay your way, you are a freeloader.

As long as you admit you can live in US without paying taxes (As you have) I have made my point, regardless of the outcome.

Switch off your computer then, hand over your house to someone who needs it, take off all your clothes and walk out into the woods right this second by the route that gets you off the public roads that others are paying for soonest.

Good luck out there! Watch out for poison oak, or whatever it is you people have.

 

[kerikiwi]

Im not trying to downplay no ones intelligence either but there is nothing else i can say.

There's that problem with double negatives which Sledge pointed out.

 

[Sledge]

Nothing i can do about that, ive explained myself countless times.

Yes, and what we're telling you is that you're very bad at explaining yourself.

Im not trying to downplay no ones intelligence either but there is nothing else i can say.

the confusion is only on your end.

Says the man who thinks "Im not trying to downplay no ones intelligence" is acceptable English. Bluekush, if you're serious about this FOTL stuff, you should stop trying to lecture us about it. Your poor English skills are undermining whatever point it is you're trying to make.

 

[Bluekush623]

But if you remain living in an area where that piece of paper has jurisdiction, using the amenities and advantages it provides without lifting a finger to pay your way, you are a freeloader.

Switch off your computer then, hand over your house to someone who needs it, take off all your clothes and walk out into the woods right this second by the route that gets you off the public roads that others are paying for soonest.

Good luck out there! Watch out for poison oak, or whatever it is you people have.

Someone earlier said something about teens crying that "Its (the system) Not Fair".

Now the term freeloader has been mentioned on every page of this thread, and it's adults crying this time, "Freeloading isn't Fair".

There is something to understand. FOTL is not about freeloading, it is about keeping the government just and in its place.

Skeptics misinterpret so much it does an untold amount of damage and this "freeloading" is one of the most absurd misinterpretations.

Just because FOTL may have to stop supporting the corrupt government that does not equate to freeloading.

Not to mention FOTL is not an anarchist movement that hates all government, they just wish to get rid of the infected parts that hamper the healthy aspects.

 

[Naddig74]

Someone earlier said something about teens crying that "Its (the system) Not Fair"..

That would be me.

Now the term freeloader has been mentioned on every page of this thread, and it's adults crying this time, "Freeloading isn't Fair".

The FOTL 'It's not fair!' basically seems to mean that it's not fair that I can't have everything the way I want it, can't pick and choose the laws I obey, can't wriggle out of paying taxes.

The system may well not be fair, but that does not exscuse theft and misappropriation.

There is something to understand. FOTL is not about freeloading, it is about keeping the government just and in its place.

Skeptics misinterpret so much it does an untold amount of damage and this "freeloading" is one of the most absurd misinterpretations.

If there is a 'misinterpretation' it is a result of your cludgy and inadequate descriptions of your ideals, and your total failure to demonstrate a single ocassion when the 'magic words' have got your case dismissed or your tax bill torn up.

Just because FOTL may have to stop supporting the corrupt government that does not equate to freeloading.

Not to mention FOTL is not an anarchist movement that hates all government, they just wish to get rid of the infected parts that hamper the healthy aspects.

If you really want to address corruption in government, study some politics, stand for election and put yourself in a position where you have some influence over policy, and be prepared to have an incredibly rough career. You can't de-corrupt a government by opting out of it.

I left the NHS because I was disgusted by the culture within it. I don't fool myself into thinking this improved matters one tiny bit. In fact, it will have got a tiny bit worse.

 

[dafydd]

Thats because the government of Belgium owns the guns for you.

And......?

 

[kerikiwi]

No you just have very poor cignitive abilities, end of story.

You are just simply trolling this thread with your "innocent ignorance".

As far as regarding my grammar, Ive stated numerous time I barely proofread. There are many replies i have to make and I dont care if i make a mistake here and there (which everyone finds the need to point out). It is alot easier to find mistakes when i make 10 posts to your 1 in this thread.

Perhaps if you took the time to proof read your posts, you might be able to improve clarity. As it is, you are blaming others for your shortcomings.

 

[Sledge]

No you just have very poor cignitive abilities, end of story.

Poor what abilities? I think you've just made a word up there.

You are just simply trolling this thread with your "innocent ignorance".

I'll be as clear as I can with this: we can't understand you. Your posts are full of spelling errors, poor grammar and flat out gibberish.

As far as regarding my grammar, Ive stated numerous time I barely proofread. There are many replies i have to make and I dont care if i make a mistake here and there (which everyone finds the need to point out). It is alot easier to find mistakes when i make 10 posts to your 1 in this thread.

It's not a question of "a mistake here and there," it's mistakes littering your posts and rendering them unintelligible. If you feel what you have to say is important enough to share it with the world, why don't you feel it's worth the time to make sure what you post is what you mean?

 

[dafydd]

The point is no one really owns the land. They only claim to with the power of a gun.

The point is that I own my land.

 

[dafydd]

I think you missed this part

No I didn't miss the hippy-dippy part.

 

[dafydd]

whatever, you and sledge are just bumbling buffoons.

if you don't agree with it fine, but don't say you cant understand it.

Your poor writing skill causes the confusion.

 

[Bluekush623]

That would be me.

The FOTL 'It's not fair!' basically seems to mean that it's not fair that I can't have everything the way I want it, can't pick and choose the laws I obey, can't wriggle out of paying taxes.

The system may well not be fair, but that does not exscuse theft and misappropriation.

If there is a 'misinterpretation' it is a result of your cludgy and inadequate descriptions of your ideals, and your total failure to demonstrate a single ocassion when the 'magic words' have got your case dismissed or your tax bill torn up.

If you really want to address corruption in government, study some politics, stand for election and put yourself in a position where you have some influence over policy, and be prepared to have an incredibly rough career. You can't de-corrupt a government by opting out of it.

I left the NHS because I was disgusted by the culture within it. I don't fool myself into thinking this improved matters one tiny bit. In fact, it will have got a tiny bit worse.

look you win the game by not playing the game.

you will never change a corrupt system from within, you will only be infected also.