Who started both World Wars?

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I'm disappointed that this thread has got onto its fourth page without anyone blaming Lisa. What has happened to the traditions of the forum?
 
MG1962 said:
Well to be truthful (as an Australian)I dont have a high opinion of Churchill either. However he was a man of his time and he made decisions based on what was best for Britian.

But all that aside, the thing everyone has to remember WW2 was a truely horrible time, and by the end of it the lines between the good guys and bad guys had become badly blurred. Particularly the intentional targeting of civilians.

The victors got to express their outrage at Nuremberg, but admitted their own guilt by the creation of the war crimes commission, and the whole crimes against humanity legislation.

But as you suggest, many try to lessen the crimes of the Nazis by focusing on the actions of others. Great....so people thinl Churchill should have been charged with war crimes. It still does not excuse the action of Hitler and his plonker mates
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You are getting very near to Moral Equivlency, there, pal.
 
dudalb said:
You are getting very near to Moral Equivlency, there, pal.
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Never forget MG1962, the allies where the good guys, notoriously noble and the Germans the bad guys, absolute evil. The victors said so themselves.

I noticed that this thread has been moved to the 'conspiracy theories' department. :D

JRef at it's best, not just 9/11 on one heap with UFO's, but even discussions about the world wars!!

Maybe somebody can explain who where the 'conspirators' in the case of the world wars? :rolleyes:
 
Saggy's mad theories that Bankers were to blame for starting a conspiracy to start off World War 1 seems pretty much like a conspiracy theory to me.
 
Hey, International Bankers Are Behind Everything That Is Wrong With The World is one of the truly Classic Conspiracy Theories......
 
A while back, I thought no way a member of the JREF could be more disgusting then MaGZ. I was wrong.
 
Mojo said:
I'm disappointed that this thread has got onto its fourth page without anyone blaming Lisa. What has happened to the traditions of the forum?
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Well, WWI was a long time ago. Back then we blamed Hal.
 
9/11-investigator said:
I noticed that this thread has been moved to the 'conspiracy theories' department. :D

JRef at it's best, not just 9/11 on one heap with UFO's, but even discussions about the world wars!!

Maybe somebody can explain who where the 'conspirators' in the case of the world wars? :rolleyes:
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I disagree with 9/11-investigator on the substance of his OP, but nevertheless I think this whole thread is one that should belong to the history section.

High-handedly moving the thread to the Conspiracy Theories section, is clearly an action carried out by some moderator wishing to anonymously express disdain for 9/11's argument.
But clearly this is a historical thread. So, whichever mod it was, either own up (and perhaps present a reasoned argument for the movement to CT) or move it back to the sub-forum for which the OP writer designed it , and for which it is clearly not entirely irrelevant.
 
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plumjam said:
I disagree with 9/11-investigator on the substance of his OP, but nevertheless I think this whole thread is one that should belong to the history section.

High-handedly moving the thread to the Conspiracy Theories section, is clearly an action carried out by some moderator wishing to anonymously express disdain for 9/11's argument.
But clearly this is a historical thread. So, whichever mod it was, either own up (and perhaps present a reasoned argument for the movement to CT) or move it back to the sub-forum for which the OP writer designed it , and for which it is clearly not entirely irrelevant.
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Wow, a voice of reason.

Not that I care where this thread is located, my only motivation is to find opposition, so I can convert this thread in a nice little blog after my opinions have been tested in the darwinian arena of ideas. You will find me anyway, even if this thread were to be moved to the pancake recipes department.

Blogs are being read in contrast to forums. My 911 blog, created while battling you guys in a full time effort of 2 months, has had more than 50000 hits to date and an average of 100 per day. Thats multiplying.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
JRef at it's best, not just 9/11 on one heap with UFO's, but even discussions about the world wars!!
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that is because we know you very well.

we know that you think "Der Juden" were behind both World Wars.

as well as the Spanish-American War, the War of 1812, the Black Death, and Michael Jackson's death.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Not behind the start of WW1, but behind the outcome, yes.
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I have thus far seen NO evidence the Zimmerman Telegram, offering Mexico much of the American Southwest in exchange for joining the side of Germany, was part of any "Zionist" conspiracy to get the USA into the war.

I have thus far seen NO evidence that the sinking of the SS Lusitania was part of any "Zionist" conspiracy to get the USA into the war. Nevermind the fact that the German U-boats sank 2 more American ships after that, and THEN the USA jumped into WW1.

Got any evidence.....9-11 "Investigator"??

oh, and btw, the baseless and unsourced allegations of self-hating Jew, Benjamin Freedman, does not count as evidence.

I await...your "evidence".

But as usual, I expect nothing from you. Nada. Zippo.
 
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Thunder said:
I have thus far seen NO evidence the Zimmerman Telegram, offering Mexico much of the American Southwest in exchange for joining the side of Germany, was part of any "Zionist" conspiracy to get the USA into the war.

I have thus far seen NO evidence that the sinking of the SS Lusitania was part of any "Zionist" conspiracy to get the USA into the war. Nevermind the fact that the German U-boats sank 2 more American ships after that, and THEN the USA jumped into WW1.

Got any evidence.....9-11 "Investigator"??

oh, and btw, the baseless and unsourced allegations of self-hating Jew, Benjamin Freedman, does not count as evidence.

I await...your "evidence".

But as usual, I expect nothing from you. Nada. Zippo.
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I just reviewed E. Griffin's chapter on the sinking of the Lusitania. Briefly, the media empire controlled by J.P. Morgan was agitating for war. Churchill had revised the rules of engagement for intercepting merchant vessels which disposed the U boats to submerged attack as opposed to inspections, surface attacks, etc. The Lusitania was registered as an armed auxilliary cruiser and was used to ship weapons. On the voyage in question it carried six million rounds of ammo among other things. The Nazis tried to place an ad in the US papers warning the population that ships carrying munitions were subject to attack. The ad was suppressed by the govt. The Lusitania was required to sail at slow speed into an area where a U boat was active. A supporting British destroyer called back by the British. This is just the barest outline, the book provides more info with quotes from some of the players. It was a set up orchestrated by the Brits and the US to galvanize public opinion in the US to allow Wilson to reverse the promise of his campaign to avoid war and to enter the war to save the US financial class.
 
what evidence is there that the armaments placed on the Lusitania was part of a "Zionist" conspiracy"??

did the Zionists force Germany to attack this ship?

did the Zionists force Germany to attack two more American ships after this.....finally forcing Woodrow Wilson into the war?

give me a break.

provide evidence or zip it.

oh...and btw....what evidence is there that the "Zionists" forced the Brits and the French to be soo cruel against Germany in the Treaty of Versaille? Woodrow Wilson wanted to be fair to the Germans, in order to prevent another was. But the French and Britist would have none of it. They wanted to punish Germany for the war..and they did.

The Treaty of Versaille caused WW1..and caused the Holocaust.
 
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