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9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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Reasoning of people who live, judicially speaking, in a failed state. "We accuse, you have to prove it." That is the way the inhabitants of former British colony (it should have stayed a British colony) reason, hence: plea-bargains, Guantanamo, Abu-ghraib.



Chaos tries to sell the idea that since many people disappeared, they ALL disappeared. Contradicted by observations like this one:

Great. True to his sick nature, the Nazi worshipper resorts to lying and putting words in other peoples´ mouth. Glad to see you are keeping up the high standard of dishonesty and hatemongering we have come to expect of people like you.
 
I don't know what there is to say on this whole thing, or what so drives people like "9/11-investigator" to pedal unsupported theories in rejection of evidences. But what interests me more is the disparity there is between skeptics and “conspiracists” (so to speak).

For quite some time I had a Rene Descartes quote in my signature: dubium sapientiae initium - "doubt is the origin of wisdom". Doubt is a central tenet of skeptical and critical thinking, doubting things based on what is supporting a given claim coincided with the realism of it. It's an analysis of a collection of evidences and making a judgement on the validity, quantity and relevance of those evidences.

But doubt is intrinsic in conspiracies everywhere. Doubting whether it was a plane that hit those historic towers and caused black plumes to raid New York's skies. Doubting if Hitler's nefarious Germany started World War 2. Doubting whether 6 million humans were systematically slaughtered at the hands of a maniacal Reich; while "9/11-investigator" will sit back and ask us for our evidence.

We could stand here and say that Hitler made his intentions quite clear:

Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows—at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example—as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated.

We could stand here and say that the Nazis made their actions quite clear:

The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them.
~ Joseph Goebbels

And we say that the war will not end as the Jews imagine it will, namely with the uprooting of the Aryans, but the result of this war will be the complete annihilation of the Jews.
~ Adolf Hitler

'The Jewish people is being exterminated,' every Party member will tell you, 'perfectly clear, it's part of our plans, we're eliminating the Jews, exterminating them.'
~ Heinrich Himmler

We could point to photos of malnourished skeletons with skin around them, laid in piles near gas chambers. We could walk them to Auschwitz and take them inside a concreted room with fingernail marks on the wall from where victims scratched in an attempt to get out. We could direct them to the contemporary documentation showing details of prisoner execution, or the fact that people who were once alive are now dead and gone. We could direct them to the multitudes of survivors and victims who were forced to live in hell on earth for days, if not weeks, if not months, if not years, who swear by statements as eye witnesses.

But conspiracists are not convinced, and will throw their noses to the side, put up a resolute palm and ask importunately for evidence.

Skeptics, who are acclaimed as the doubters, are being out-doubted.

The overwhelming problem is that the men who bear the onus of proof are asking for it. Skeptics will decline evidence for particular, objective reasons. Conspiracists will decline evidence based on an unstable hunch in order to support it. It becomes a whimsical crusade. The conspiracist behind wayward theories like Holocaust denial are fighting a cause, and use subjective interpretation to support their theory that they are already standing behind, as opposed to looking at the evidence and admitting an interpretation based on the analysis of it; saying that ‘until I am presented with sufficient proof otherwise, I will reside alongside the realistic version of events supported by evidence which balances the possibility of its veracity’.

A skeptic's modus opperandi is not to doubt everything and anything and continue blindly to do so. It is to carefully place doubt in areas where the evidence does not correlate to likelihood. Contrastigly, conspiracy theories are all too often misplaced doubt. The ability to doubt does not make you smart, nor correct.

I want to say to you, “9/11-investigator”:

There is an important difference between doubt, and excessive denial of evidence. It will come down to the discretion of your decisions on which side of the line you stand on.

Alex.
 
I don't know what there is to say on this whole thing, or what so drives people like "9/11-investigator" to pedal unsupported theories in rejection of evidences. But what interests me more is the disparity there is between skeptics and “conspiracists” (so to speak).

It is simple. It idolizes the Nazis and hates the Jews. So its efforts here are to whitewash its heroes and make the object of its hatred the perpetrators of the biggest scam in history. I think it knows that the Holocaust happened and is glad it did, but its love for Hitler and its hatred for the Jews makes it lie about it in order to makes its sick ideology more acceptable to normal people.
 
In the thread mentioned in the previous post Matthew Ellard says:

Like all Holocaust Deniers, you are unable to explain where these missing Jews went.

Just like the True Believers are unable to prove that extermination program in the first place, I might add.
I feel like I have to prove that I do not have WMDs.

Why are you quoting me in this forum when I posted in another forum to which you didn't respond?

Was it because of your errors concerning the French Saar campaign? Was it your errors in not mentioning France as also declaring war? Was it your debunked claim that Churchill was jewish? Was it your debunked claim that Hitler knew about Hess flying to England before the event?
 
Irving is just more literate, that's all.

Poor David Irving. He took AUD$5,000 to allow himself be gassed by the Jewish host of a comedy TV show. David Irving simply does what brings in money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqfvHXCaXyQ forward to 5.50

His greatest error in judgement was when he changed his mind and said the Hitler Diaries were authentic four hours before the lab results stated otherwise.
 
It is simple. It idolizes the Nazis and hates the Jews. So its efforts here are to whitewash its heroes and make the object of its hatred the perpetrators of the biggest scam in history. I think it knows that the Holocaust happened and is glad it did, but its love for Hitler and its hatred for the Jews makes it lie about it in order to makes its sick ideology more acceptable to normal people.

Perhaps that has something to do with it in this instance, but more am I referring to what stands behind similar thoughts or what has convinced and what perpetuates the mind of a conspiracy believer to reject evidence.

Alex.
 
Poor David Irving. He took AUD$5,000 to allow himself be gassed by the Jewish host of a comedy TV show. David Irving simply does what brings in money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqfvHXCaXyQ forward to 5.50

His greatest error in judgement was when he changed his mind and said the Hitler Diaries were authentic four hours before the lab results stated otherwise.

Yeah, his reversal on the Hitler diaries deserves some kind of an award for bad,bad,timing.
Irving does not come off very well in Robert Harris's (yes, that Robert Harris) excellent account of the Hitler Diaries fiasco,"Selling Hitler".
And his lawsuit against Deborah Lipstadt is right up there as proof of that old saying about what kind of client people who act as their own attorney have.
 
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Yeah, his reversal on the Hitler diaries deserves some kind of an award for bad,bad,timing.
Irving does not come off very well in Robert Harris's (yes, that Robert Harris) excellent account of the Hitler Diaries fiasco,"Selling Hitler".
And his lawsuit against Deborah Lipstadt is right up there as proof of that old saying about what kind of client people who act as their own attorney have.

I have read Robert Harris's book. It is very funny. Even funnier is the BBC miniseries based on the book. I don't know if you can get your paws on it but if you do you will "wet" yourself.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124256/

Alexie Sales plays Konrad 'Conny' Fischer
Barry Humphries ("Dame Edna") plays Rupert Murdoch
Tom Baker ( Dr Who) plays BMG's Manfred Fischer
and a cast of thousands of British comics......
 
Almost too good to be true, this find:

Here is Shahid Malid.

Shahid who?

This invader: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1LXahun7zo

And what is his special interest?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOSQgg6UQcs&feature=related

He knows exactly how to steal Britain from it's original population.
With moral blackmail.

That's why H-word revisionism is not just an exercise in historical justice but in naked survival as well.
For the record: I do not mind that Britain will become a muslim state, I support it, but within Europe it should only be Britain.
 
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While your off-topic drivel is amusing in a car crash sort of way, perhaps we can get back on-topic, and start by you answering my very simple question. Will you now accept that your explanation for why some prisoners at Auschwitz received medical treatment was wrong?

And that has exactly what to do with the Holocaust?


I believe The Lying Dutchman may have you on ignore, Uzzy. Therefore he can't see these posts. . . . .
 
I don't know what there is to say on this whole thing, or what so drives people like "9/11-investigator" to pedal unsupported theories in rejection of evidences. But what interests me more is the disparity there is between skeptics and “conspiracists” (so to speak).

I have expressed my motivations repeatedly in this threat and elsewhere. It is about battling the crown jewels of the left, used to destroy my society.

For quite some time I had a Rene Descartes quote in my signature: dubium sapientiae initium - "doubt is the origin of wisdom". Doubt is a central tenet of skeptical and critical thinking, doubting things based on what is supporting a given claim coincided with the realism of it. It's an analysis of a collection of evidences and making a judgement on the validity, quantity and relevance of those evidences.

The idea that the victors of WW2 wrote history to support their perceived moral superiority is a very nice start, would you not agree, mr. doubting skeptic?

Legend says:

But doubt is intrinsic in conspiracies everywhere. Doubting whether it was a plane that hit those historic towers and caused black plumes to raid New York's skies. Doubting if Hitler's nefarious Germany started World War 2. Doubting whether 6 million humans were systematically slaughtered at the hands of a maniacal Reich; while "9/11-investigator" will sit back and ask us for our evidence.

Nobody doubts that the towers were hit by planes. It is obvious that these planes masked the real reason for these towers to implode: controlled demolition, it's purpose being to generate enough damage ('New Pearl Harbor') and visual spectacle to justify pre-planned invasions into Middle Eastern countries (I myself bougth the official conspiracy theory for several years).

Oh the horror, 911I sitting back asking for evidence! This thread of 4000+ costs me a lot of time while 'sitting back' (and you guys are nowhere).

Legend says: "We could stand here and say that Hitler made his intentions quite clear:"

Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows—at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example—as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated.

Are you sure you want to quote this? Hitler had all the means to follow up on this but you will be hard pressed to deliver any pictures of: gallows built in rows—at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example—as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink.

http://juergen-graf.vho.org/articles/hungarian-holocaust-debate.html

Argument 2

“In a speech delivered in the Reichstag on 30 January 1939, Adolf Hitler predicted that the effect of a new war would be the annihilation of the Jewish race.”
Answer

In today’s language, “annihilation” is a synonym for “physical liquidation.” But if we analyze Hitler’s writings and speeches, we discover that he often used the word “annihilation” (“Vernichtung”), as well as the word “extermination” (“Ausrottung”), in the sense of “depriving someone of his power.” An example from Mein Kampf clearly illustrates this point. In this book, Hitler wrote that in the Hapsburg monarchy the German population had been threatened by “langsame Ausrottung” (“slow extermination”).[38] Did Hitler insinuate that Austrian emperor Franz Josef planned to gas or to shoot all 10 million Austrians of German nationality? Of course not; he simply feared that in the multi-national Hapsburg empire the Germans would gradually lose their dominating position to the Slavs.

Hitler’s speech from 30 January 1939 is often quoted in “holocaust” literature, so it is not surprising that Dr. Karsai uses it to “prove” that Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews. Unfortunately, the “holocaust” historians always “forget” to quote the continuation of Hitler’s speech, and Dr. Karsai is no exception, so we shall quote it ourselves:[39]

“The times where the non-Jewish peoples were defenseless in the field of propaganda are gone. National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy now have institutions which in case of necessity enable them to enlighten the world about the essence of a question of which many peoples are instinctively conscious, but lack scientific knowledge.”

So the “annihilation” of the Jews simply meant the enlightenment of the non-Jewish nations about the Jewish peril!


The peril Graf is talking about is of course Jewish initiated bolshevism, a topic a true 'skeptic' like Legend will not burn his fingers on. Or probably deep in his heart would like to install in the US today if he had the chance. The strategy of course is that Legend will attempt to portray the Jews solely as victims and not like the perpetrators they were before (to some extend) they became victims. Hitler's antisemitism did not emerge in a vacuum, like Legend and his fellow 'skeptics' would like us to believe.

The other citations are dealt with elsewhere in this thread.


We could point to photos of malnourished skeletons with skin around them, laid in piles near gas chambers.

No you can't. These pictures only exist of Belsen. Corpses mainly of Poles and Russian. Would you want to defend the (hopeless) position that Belsen was an 'extermination camp'?

We could walk them to Auschwitz and take them inside a concreted room with fingernail marks on the wall from where victims scratched in an attempt to get out.

Links to pictures please. This is going to be good.

We could direct them to the contemporary documentation showing details of prisoner execution,

The German records show a few thousand of these executions. They were carried out on all sides.

or the fact that people who were once alive are now dead and gone.

No kidding? There was a war going on with millions killed on all sides, mainly Russians and next Germans. And Legend deplores that people 'once alive are now dead'.

We could direct them to the multitudes of survivors and victims who were forced to live in hell on earth for days, if not weeks, if not months, if not years, who swear by statements as eye witnesses.

Why don't you go in specifics? Tip: before you do that check first in thye revisionist literature what is said about your 'witness'. Saves me a lot of work. Thanks in advance.

The overwhelming problem is that the men who bear the onus of proof are asking for it.

I am glad that you admit that you have an 'overwhelming problem'. Trying to solve that problem by demanding that I disprove your accusations does not make your case better. This kind of thinking leads straight towards the future American gulags (FEMA camps, some here even refer to them in their subscripts in an approving way). In present day America the System accuses you of something and the only way for you to escape is to admit guilt so you get a reduced penalty ('pleabargain'). That's medieval.

A skeptic's modus opperandi is not to doubt everything and anything and continue blindly to do so. It is to carefully place doubt in areas where the evidence does not correlate to likelihood. Contrastigly, conspiracy theories are all too often misplaced doubt. The ability to doubt does not make you smart, nor correct.

Translation: 'Skepticisms' decision to 'doubt' or not to 'doubt' a particular topic will be based on the answer to the question if that particular topic serves the Jewish agenda yes/no.
 
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I don't know what there is to say on this whole thing, or what so drives people like "9/11-investigator" to pedal unsupported theories in rejection of evidences.
I have expressed my motivations repeatedly in this threat and elsewhere. It is about battling the crown jewels of the left, used to destroy my society.

You peddle unsupported theories in rejection of evidence to fight an illusory battle ?
 
More on Germany and their gassing. Here is an add from 1939 warning against the desastrous results of lice. It is difficult to imagine for modern people used to fun showering the devastating effect of these Schaedlinge:

http://www.nazigassings.com/images/AnzeigerDEGESCH.jpg

Mark the word Begasungsanlagen.

Here an interesting article stating that Napoleons armies in Russia were basically defeated by lice, not by Russians:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/25553/
Although Russian resistance, brutal weather, and the lack of food and water decimated the French army, new genetic evidence proves that Pediculus humanus, otherwise known as body lice, had a key role in the debacle.

This perfectly explains why the Germans were forced to build Gaskammer in all their Eastern-European labor camps.

And at some point somebody got an idea to construct a story...
 
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Here is an example of train delousing tunnels:

http://www.nazigassings.com/images/RRDelouShedonPolRussborder.jpg

The method [fumigation with hydrogen cyanide] has been used to a large extent, and with successful results, for the destruction of lice in clothing, in baggage and in railway carriages on the Russo-Polish border. In 1920 the local authorities in Warsaw constructed a chamber or tunnel which could be hermetically closed, large enough to contain several railroad cars (fig. 17). The cyanide for the fumigation is obtained from poison gas shells which were left in Poland in 1915. After fumigation the gas is withdrawn from the chamber by means of fans and passed through a stove where it is burnt.

At nearly all quarantine stations on the Russo-Polish frontier there is a cyanide chamber which, it is claimed, has given more satisfactory results than the other methods formerly in use. The process is not considered to be expensive, and all baggage, clothing, bedding, &c., of refugees has been treated in this way.

Cyanide chambers are also used at the Quarantine Station, New York.


Source.
 
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Tell us again about that law that specifically mentions 6 million and criminalizes any other number.

Or tell us who has been convicted in a case where the death toll was the only issue?

Or admit that you were lying, because you really really needed the Jooos to be that powerful, to justify your hate...
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Still waiting, 9/11...
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Excellent development in... Iceland!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Modern_Media_Initiative

The Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) is a law intended to create a supportive and attractive jurisdiction for the publication of investigative journalism[1] and other threatened online media. It was adopted unanimously by parliament on 16 June 2010.[2] On 18 February 2010, the project entered a parliamentary resolution proposal into the Icelandic Parliament (or Alþingi),[3] proposing that Iceland "strongly position itself legally with regard to the protection of freedoms of expression and information".[4] The proposal was made by 19 MPs from all parties in the parliament.

Not difficult to understand why the probably most intelligent American Bobby Fisher (Jew?) ever, fled to Iceland.

Meanwhile in the US, the new USSR in status nascendi:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2010/07/is-it-time-to-leave-america.html
Also at the top of the list of those who should have plans in the final stages are political bloggers. All this talk about AN internet kill switche scares me. There will be enormous pressure from very powerful commercial internet groups to prevent the broad-based kill switch from being implemented for any significant period of time.. But, the idea of the kill switch hints that the government is indeed scared of the internet. If they can't shut down the entire net, they will, when they deem it necessary, shutdown political bloggers who don't support the regime.


Remember it is the YouKnowWho Joe Lieberman who is pushing for this kind of legislation. He will fail in his attemps because the internet inevitable is going to be the backbone of the future resource starved economy. Asian companies are now developing a usb pluggable 18 inch monitor that consumes merely 6 watt. I mean, it will enough to do 15 minutes of exercises in the morning on your electricity generating home trainer for you to be able to do your work online for the rest of the day, so that the necessity of daily commuting can be thrown on the garbage heap of history. Lieberman might be able to take down sites from an ADL generated list, he will not be able to prevent (high-volume) peer-to-peer traffic. All off a sudden videos of say David Irving will become mighty interesting once forbidden in the USSA.
 
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My opponents often have stressed that Hitler had on several occasions talked about the Vernichtung (annihilation/eradication) of the Jews.

Here a video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_o2u3X-bfc&feature=player_embedded

... where in 0:40 - 1:00 he speaks about how he accomplished the Vernichtung of the marxist party and other parties. It is obvious that he meant 'eradication' of these parties as a political force and not the physical destruction of the human constituting members.
 
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