Sylvia Browne: Linda Rossi interview

The difference is that I thought she sounded ignorant and obnoxious but I still thought she was sincere and just playing the fool for Sylvia Browne.

Now I think she's in on it, which is where I get totally disgusted.

I don't know, I guess I can forgive people for being deceived and acting foolishly as a result, even if the harm they do still upsets and frustrates me. But to KNOW someone is a fraud and to lie for them. That's disgusting to me. To know someone like Browne is a fake and not use what you know to warn people away from them! That's even worse.

There is no way that Sylvia Browne could do what she does alone.
No way!
It's one thing to see her do her act on a very controlled TV set and something very different to interact with her on a daily basis.

You should have been the one of the first to see through her lies.
It wasn't that she was a better actress then than she is now it was that the lies she was telling was the lies you wanted to hear at that time.

How could anyone interact with a self proclaimed psychic on a daily basis for many years and truly believe that person is psychic?
There is no way!
The first time the "psychic" said "hey call my phone I can't remember where I left it." the jig would be up.

That's not even mentioning 9/11 or Katrina!

It's my understanding that the Akers went on Montel for the national exposure of the show not because they thought Browne had a clue where their boy was.
If I were in their position I can only hope to be as wise as them to use even the bad media to work for them.

What really pisses me off about what Browne did to them on Montel was to destroy their entire purpose of going on the show in the first place.
None of the idiots who watched Montel was ever going to be keeping an eye out for that boy because Browne told them he was dead.

How could anyone sincerely want to help people by lying about being psychic and having a spirit guide?
How is that sincerely going to help anyone?
Browne is a liar pure and simple. Not even a good liar.
She just has no shame at all to stand up and tell the lies people want to hear.
The fools stand in line in the rain with credit cards in out stretched arms to hear her lies because they find her lies more comforting than their truths.
In my opinion EX was right there in line with the other fools until her arm got tired and she was sick of being rained on.

I would not be surprised at all to find out that Browne knew the Akers were not on that show for her woo woo but in an effort to get there sons picture out to as many eyes as possible.
That she made her "he's dead" call based on that knowledge.
To purposefully try and get the focus back on her and not their missing child.
 
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There is no way that Sylvia Browne could do what she does alone.
No way!
It's one thing to see her do her act on a very controlled TV set and something very different to interact with her on a daily basis.

You should have been the one of the first to see through her lies.
It wasn't that she was a better actress then than she is now it was that the lies she was telling was the lies you wanted to hear at that time.

How could anyone interact with a self proclaimed psychic on a daily basis for many years and truly believe that person is psychic?
There is no way!
The first time the "psychic" said "hey call my phone I can't remember where I left it." the jig would be up.

That's not even mentioning 9/11 or Katrina!

It's my understanding that the Akers went on Montel for the national exposure of the show not because they thought Browne had a clue where their boy was.
If I were in their position I can only hope to be as wise as them to use even the bad media to work for them.

What really pisses me off about what Browne did to them on Montel was to destroy their entire purpose of going on the show in the first place.
None of the idiots who watched Montel was ever going to be keeping an eye out for that boy because Browne told them he was dead.

How could anyone sincerely want to help people by lying about being psychic and having a spirit guide?
How is that sincerely going to help anyone?
Browne is a liar pure and simple. Not even a good liar.
She just has no shame at all to stand up and tell the lies people want to hear.
The fools stand in line in the rain with credit cards in out stretched arms to hear her lies because they find her lies more comforting than their truths.
In my opinion EX was right there in line with the other fools until her arm got tired and she was sick of being rained on.

I would not be surprised at all to find out that Browne knew the Akers were not on that show for her woo woo but in an effort to get there sons picture out to as many eyes as possible.
That she made her "he's dead" call based on that knowledge.
To purposefully try and get the focus back on her and not their missing child.

I'm not going to argue with you if you want to call me a fool. I won't even argue that I should have seen through her in my early 20s. Maybe I really am a few degrees stupider than average, or several degrees more naive. Or both.

But are you trying to say here that I knew she was lying? That I wanted to hear lies?
 
I'm not going to argue with you if you want to call me a fool. I won't even argue that I should have seen through her in my early 20s. Maybe I really am a few degrees stupider than average, or several degrees more naive. Or both.

But are you trying to say here that I knew she was lying? That I wanted to hear lies?

Well I'm not saying you're any more stupid than the rest of us.
We all have our follys.
But yes I'm saying you knew she was lying and chose her lies over your truths.

I mean come on EX! A spirit guide named Francine? You truly deep down thought that was actual reality?

You went looking for something different and found it.
You made a conscious decision to believe it no matter how down right silly the whole thing was.

That may not be how you remember it but how could it be otherwise.
 
Well I'm not saying you're any more stupid than the rest of us.
We all have our follys.
But yes I'm saying you knew she was lying and chose her lies over your truths.

I mean come on EX! A spirit guide named Francine? You truly deep down thought that was actual reality?

You went looking for something different and found it.
You made a conscious decision to believe it no matter how down right silly the whole thing was.

That may not be how you remember it but how could it be otherwise.

Well, yes, as a matter of fact I did believe the whole Francine thing. I had a strong belief in psychics growing up. My concern, when I met Sylvia Browne, was whether she was a real psychic or a phony - not whether or not psychics existed.

That's not the half of it. In my late teens, I also believed in Ouija boards. I first used one in an attempt to contact my best friend who'd died in a car accident. At some point I actually believed I was under attack by dark spirits as a result of using the Ouija board. I believed I had psychic and spiritual guidance dreams. I thought I could communicate with spirit guides through dreams.

Silly? It gets even worse. I believed that Edgar Cayce was sincere and legitimate and for a long time I studied his material and tried to live by his philosophy. I was a much bigger fan of his, in fact, than I ever was of Sylvia Browne's (I had a slight distrust of Sylvia for charging such high fees, though back in the 1980s she really did have a church and staff to support and she hadn't begun to make much money yet, so that excuse actually worked back then). I was a big fan of a Native American teacher from who I learned it was possible to travel out of body, and that there were demonic entities in an ongoing battle of dark against light, which I also believed.

My grandmother was part Native American, and I believed her when she said that whenever people in our family died they appeared at the foot of her bed and the next day she would find out they had died.

My mother was a big fan of using the pendulum to foretell the future, something I also did over the years.

I believed in hands-on-healing and that we could use our minds to heal our bodies and I believed I'd actually done this. My mother taught this to me in 7th grade.

I had an aunt who was a trance channel, married to one of the smartest people I knew - my uncle, who was a mathematics major. He believed in this completely and kept detailed records of the trance material.

In later years, I came to believe in near-death-experiences and read almost everything I could get my hands on. I was a big fan of James Van Praagh and used to watch all of his shows, later to become a big fan of John Edward and George Anderson. I had all of their books.

I also studied Eastern religions and believed in reincarnation and karma and in past life regressions. I liked Dr. Brian Weiss of past life regression fame. I liked Eknath Easwaran and other Eastern writers who talked about a universal kind of spirituality and the importance of love. I liked Zen.

I practiced meditation. I worked with dreams. I worked with Tarot cards and at one point I got into astrology fairly seriously.

I used affirmations and visualization and experimented with "creating my own reality." For awhile I studied Emmet Fox and Joel Goldsmith.

I could go on and on.

But yes, I believed in the Francine thing, more or less, up until the time I discovered she seriously and ridiculously contradicted herself.

That said, I'm going to give you some background. Feel free to stop here since this post is too lengthy already. If you are interested in the background:

For me it all started, as I've said before, when my best friend was killed in a car accident when I was 17. I became obsessive about finding out what happened after death. My sister had died several years earlier.

When my best friend died, it involved a strange situation. She'd been telling me since the day we first met, around age 14, that she'd known since she was a little girl that she would not live much past the age 18. She was right. She died shortly after her 18th birthday. Her mother verified that story and told me that when they developed the pictures from her 18th birthday, the ones that she'd been in, and only those, had come back inexplicably black. My friend had taken a look at those pictures and told her mother, "See, I told you. I'm not supposed to be here." A few weeks later she was killed.

Before she died I was a pretty ordinary teenager who worried about ordinary, mudane teenager things. After her death I became obsessed with finding out what had happened to her. Where was she? Would I ever see her again? How could she have known she'd die at 18?

I turned first to a famous psychic in San Francisco. I would drive up once a month to hear this woman lecture. She taught that life is a school and when you die, you have graduated, and that it is possible to have psychic foreknowledge about one's death. I suppose you are right to say that she gave me the answer I was looking for. I used to have nightmares that my friend suffered an agonizing death, and this woman's reassurance that my friend had not suffered excruciating pain brought me a great deal of peace.

Then my mother paid for me to have a reading more locally with Sylvia Browne. I know she hoped it would help me find the answers and peace I sought. In hindsight now, of course, we laugh at what a mess that all became. But of course hindsight is 20/20.

Stupid. Ignorant. Whatever.

I'm fine with all of that.

But I can assure you that I did not know it was all lies. I was looking for answers, trying initially to fit the answers with what I knew of the weird events surrounding my friend's death, which seemed to call for a supernatural explanation in my young mind. I was searching for truth.

I still am, Brattus, only now I'm looking in a different direction.

You are free to think what you will, but please don't think I had any clue that I was being fed a bunch of lies.

Then again, of course, you are still free to think that, too.
 
You made a conscious decision to believe it no matter how down right silly the whole thing was.

You do realize that's what the woo-s say about us?

"There are tons of evidence, you just choose to ignore it"
It's written here every other day by the daily nut.
This is of course, completely absurd.

Question for you Brattus, have you actually met a believer once?
You'll be surprised at some of the things they either believe or can't rationally speak of.

I have spoken to many belivers in all sorts of rubbish over the years, some of them were so out of touch and couldn't explain basic reality that I began to question whether they have some form of mental defact.

But at no point did I believe that they were all conciously choosing to be ignorant.
 
I mean come on EX! A spirit guide named Francine? You truly deep down thought that was actual reality?

Brattus, you seem to frequently bring up the fact that Browne's "spirit guide" is supposedly named Francine, as though that is less believable than a "spirit guide" with a different name.

What name do you think would have made Ex-Minister's one-time belief in Browne more understandable? And also, according to Browne, the spirit guide is actually named Iena, but Browne, as a child, preferred to call her Francine.

Do you think that "Iena" would make ExM's former belief in Browne more understandable?
 
Also, ExM's mother's influence on her should not be discounted. Being raised in a household where belief in psychics/mediums is a given has a powerful influence on a child. My Better Half was raised in a household where belief in ESP and psychic powers was a given, almost a Family Tradition. To give up those beliefs meant acknowledging that her beloved father had fed her a lot of hogwash, and was very difficult for her. When we met, she believed that Browne, Edward and Van Praagh were all "gifted psychics." She no longer believes so.
 
She is coming to PHX tomorrow, fraud alert, hold on to your wallets, and remember LECHITIN
 
Well, yes, as a matter of fact I did believe the whole Francine thing. I had a strong belief in psychics growing up. My concern, when I met Sylvia Browne, was whether she was a real psychic or a phony - not whether or not psychics existed.

That's not the half of it. In my late teens, I also believed in Ouija boards. I first used one in an attempt to contact my best friend who'd died in a car accident. At some point I actually believed I was under attack by dark spirits as a result of using the Ouija board. I believed I had psychic and spiritual guidance dreams. I thought I could communicate with spirit guides through dreams.

Silly? It gets even worse. I believed that Edgar Cayce was sincere and legitimate and for a long time I studied his material and tried to live by his philosophy. I was a much bigger fan of his, in fact, than I ever was of Sylvia Browne's (I had a slight distrust of Sylvia for charging such high fees, though back in the 1980s she really did have a church and staff to support and she hadn't begun to make much money yet, so that excuse actually worked back then). I was a big fan of a Native American teacher from who I learned it was possible to travel out of body, and that there were demonic entities in an ongoing battle of dark against light, which I also believed.

My grandmother was part Native American, and I believed her when she said that whenever people in our family died they appeared at the foot of her bed and the next day she would find out they had died.

My mother was a big fan of using the pendulum to foretell the future, something I also did over the years.

I believed in hands-on-healing and that we could use our minds to heal our bodies and I believed I'd actually done this. My mother taught this to me in 7th grade.

I had an aunt who was a trance channel, married to one of the smartest people I knew - my uncle, who was a mathematics major. He believed in this completely and kept detailed records of the trance material.

In later years, I came to believe in near-death-experiences and read almost everything I could get my hands on. I was a big fan of James Van Praagh and used to watch all of his shows, later to become a big fan of John Edward and George Anderson. I had all of their books.

I also studied Eastern religions and believed in reincarnation and karma and in past life regressions. I liked Dr. Brian Weiss of past life regression fame. I liked Eknath Easwaran and other Eastern writers who talked about a universal kind of spirituality and the importance of love. I liked Zen.

I practiced meditation. I worked with dreams. I worked with Tarot cards and at one point I got into astrology fairly seriously.

I used affirmations and visualization and experimented with "creating my own reality." For awhile I studied Emmet Fox and Joel Goldsmith.

I could go on and on.

But yes, I believed in the Francine thing, more or less, up until the time I discovered she seriously and ridiculously contradicted herself.

That said, I'm going to give you some background. Feel free to stop here since this post is too lengthy already. If you are interested in the background:

For me it all started, as I've said before, when my best friend was killed in a car accident when I was 17. I became obsessive about finding out what happened after death. My sister had died several years earlier.

When my best friend died, it involved a strange situation. She'd been telling me since the day we first met, around age 14, that she'd known since she was a little girl that she would not live much past the age 18. She was right. She died shortly after her 18th birthday. Her mother verified that story and told me that when they developed the pictures from her 18th birthday, the ones that she'd been in, and only those, had come back inexplicably black. My friend had taken a look at those pictures and told her mother, "See, I told you. I'm not supposed to be here." A few weeks later she was killed.

Before she died I was a pretty ordinary teenager who worried about ordinary, mudane teenager things. After her death I became obsessed with finding out what had happened to her. Where was she? Would I ever see her again? How could she have known she'd die at 18?

I turned first to a famous psychic in San Francisco. I would drive up once a month to hear this woman lecture. She taught that life is a school and when you die, you have graduated, and that it is possible to have psychic foreknowledge about one's death. I suppose you are right to say that she gave me the answer I was looking for. I used to have nightmares that my friend suffered an agonizing death, and this woman's reassurance that my friend had not suffered excruciating pain brought me a great deal of peace.

Then my mother paid for me to have a reading more locally with Sylvia Browne. I know she hoped it would help me find the answers and peace I sought. In hindsight now, of course, we laugh at what a mess that all became. But of course hindsight is 20/20.

Stupid. Ignorant. Whatever.

I'm fine with all of that.

But I can assure you that I did not know it was all lies. I was looking for answers, trying initially to fit the answers with what I knew of the weird events surrounding my friend's death, which seemed to call for a supernatural explanation in my young mind. I was searching for truth.

I still am, Brattus, only now I'm looking in a different direction.

You are free to think what you will, but please don't think I had any clue that I was being fed a bunch of lies.

Then again, of course, you are still free to think that, too.

Everything you wrote only reinforces what I had typed.

You went looking for something and you were very determined to find it and you did.

Out of body anything is not possible and I don't care if your Native American or a Native of Mars.
No body no brain. No brain no thought. Very simple.
 
You do realize that's what the woo-s say about us?

"There are tons of evidence, you just choose to ignore it"
It's written here every other day by the daily nut.
This is of course, completely absurd.

Question for you Brattus, have you actually met a believer once?
You'll be surprised at some of the things they either believe or can't rationally speak of.

I have spoken to many belivers in all sorts of rubbish over the years, some of them were so out of touch and couldn't explain basic reality that I began to question whether they have some form of mental defact.

But at no point did I believe that they were all conciously choosing to be ignorant.

Uh.....Ok. Says you I guess.
 
Also, ExM's mother's influence on her should not be discounted. Being raised in a household where belief in psychics/mediums is a given has a powerful influence on a child. My Better Half was raised in a household where belief in ESP and psychic powers was a given, almost a Family Tradition. To give up those beliefs meant acknowledging that her beloved father had fed her a lot of hogwash, and was very difficult for her. When we met, she believed that Browne, Edward and Van Praagh were all "gifted psychics." She no longer believes so.

My family was all into the same crap.
It all sounded really stupid to me even as a child.
So I'm not going to take that into account at all.

I will however take into account the grieve she felt for her sister and friend.
That however does not change my mind though on EX knowing deep down it was lies but wanting and needing those lies to be true.

The reality of people who die just not existing anymore is a very tough pill for a kid to swallow.
 
That however does not change my mind though on EX knowing deep down it was lies but wanting and needing those lies to be true.

She wanted and needed it to be true, yes.

She did NOT know deep down that they were lies.

To your thesis that "no one really believes all this"-

Some people DO know it deep down that it is fake. Some people are cynics and don't believe in it at all but stay for the money or attention or whatever it is. Some half believe it. Some believe some of it but reject other parts of it. Some don't believe it literally but believe it as a concept. And some just believe it.
 
My family was all into the same crap.
It all sounded really stupid to me even as a child.
So I'm not going to take that into account at all.

Brattus, I am glad that you had the strength or intelligence or rebellion or whatever it was that allowed you to keep free of those beliefs.

or Perhaps your family simply did not "push" it on you in thetold her wondrous same ways that ExM's or Susan's families did.

In Susan's case, her father told her, from earliest childhood, that he had an ESP-like connection with his mother. He told her wondrous stories of times he and his mother were miles apart and yet knew what was happening to the other. He made it clear to Susan that someday he and Susan would have a similar ESP-link. He bought her toys and games to build her "ESP skills" such as Kreskin's ESP game. It may not be too strong to say that he communicated to her that his love for her depended in some ways on them developing this "ESP connection."

Would you have been intelligent/strong/rebellious/whatever enough to just shrug off this kind of indoctrination? Not many would. I certainly doubt that I would have.

So, again, don't be so quick to discount the power of a parent's influence over a child in these matters. your situation does not equate to everyone else's.
I will however take into account the grieve she felt for her sister and friend.
That however does not change my mind though on EX knowing deep down it was lies but wanting and needing those lies to be true.

The reality of people who die just not existing anymore is a very tough pill for a kid to swallow.[/QUOTE]
 
I agree with Robert and Eeney have said about me and about this in general.

It was a given in my family, as it was in Susan's, though we had to keep it a bit quiet around my dad who had little patience for it.

Ironically, though, I first read Cayce in my teens from books borrowed off my dad's bookshelves. College educated and intellectual, he couldn't stand it when we talked about New Age-y things around him, and yet he believed it was quite possible that Cayce had a unique paranormal gift.

So, Brattus, I really am being honest when I tell you that I was not the least bit suspicious of whether or not the paranormal and supernatural were real. You are free to think what you will, of course. You can even choose to think I must be the biggest idiot on the planet.

As I said, I grew up to take this kind of thing pretty much for granted. I never doubted that what my grandmother said was true, for example - that she really did see the spirits of departed loved ones saying goodbye. The only suspicion I held was toward individual psychics and mediums and others making those kinds of claims. The unusual circumstances surrounding my friend's death were what really triggered it, though. As I said, up until then I didn't think about any of it too much or worry about it. After that, wanting to find out what happened after death became almost an obsession.

Over the years my personal experiences and the experiences of friends and family would continue to reinforce my beliefs in the paranormal. It's like building a house, where the foundation is set early and each strange experience, every seemingly paranormal event shared by a trusted friend... they gradually build into something that seems solid and true.

Sylvia Browne and her spirit guide were just a drop in the bucket in a long line of related experiences, really. She was far from the most influential or impressive.

The thing is, Brattus, you're not totally wrong. Eeney touched on that. You do happen to be wrong about me. There are others like me, and I agree with Eeney that there are, in fact, all kinds. I agree with you that there are people who are willing to believe lies and who choose to tune out what they don't want to hear in order to believe in people like Sylvia Browne. I know this because I know at least one of them personally.

I totally disagree that childhood experiences can be discounted. I don't think you can safely generalize from your own childhood to others because there are too many variables, though I can understand the temptation to do that.

I suppose my mistake growing up was believing that I, too, could generalize from MY experience to others, expecting them to be like me - in this case, sincere and trustworthy. Look where that got me with respect to Sylvia Browne!
 
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ExM, i am very happy you fought your way out of this stuff.

And Iam pleased and proud of whatever small part my SSB site might have played in that.
 
What I want to know is, why should Ex-M have had to fight her way through this prolonged personal attack from Brattus? Challenging, arguing, are part of the everyday banter in these forums. What Brattus did was attack a member of this forum. He wasn't challenging a statement, he wasn't arguing a point, he flat-out said Ex-M was a certain type of person and he made no bones about how he felt about this type of person. To my knowledge he has never met Ex-M, so because he thinks he knows what went on or what is going on in her mind makes him sound . . . well . . . like a psychic.

I am amazed he was allowed to come so close to libel without (as far as I can see) so much as a warning from the Moderating Team.
 
I am amazed he was allowed to come so close to libel without (as far as I can see) so much as a warning from the Moderating Team.

Seconded, O Booful one! I am also surprised that Brattus' behavior here seems to have not merited some Moderation.

Others (including me) have been suspended for far less. I don't know how close Brattus came to "libel", but he crossed the line of civility several times, as much as calling ExM a liar.
 
Wonder how much longer is Browne going to keep up with her scam. She doesn't look like she will make it a few years longer.
 

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