Stem Cells & Healing?

[Kumar]

The stem cells that could potentially allow us to regenerate are the pluripotent ones. Since adult mammals basically don't have any, we can't regenerate.

That's what you're missing. Well, one of the things.

" stem cell.[4]

Totipotent (a.k.a omnipotent) stem cells can differentiate into embryonic and extraembryonic cell types. Such cells can construct a complete, viable, organism.[4] These cells are produced from the fusion of an egg and sperm cell. Cells produced by the first few divisions of the fertilized egg are also totipotent.[5]
Pluripotent stem cells are the descendants of totipotent cells and can differentiate into nearly all cells,[4] i.e. cells derived from any of the three germ layers.[6]
Multipotent stem cells can differentiate into a number of cells, but only those of a closely related family of cells.[4]
Oligopotent stem cells can differentiate into only a few cells, such as lymphoid or myeloid stem cells.[4]
Unipotent cells can produce only one cell type, their own,[4] but have the property of self-renewal which distinguishes them from non-stem cells (e.g. muscle stem cells).

Embryonic
Main article: Embryonic stem cell
Embryonic stem cell lines (ES cell lines) are cultures of cells derived from the epiblast tissue of the inner cell mass (ICM) of a blastocyst or earlier morula stage embryos.[9] A blastocyst is an early stage embryo—approximately four to five days old in humans and consisting of 50–150 cells. ES cells are pluripotent and give rise during development to all derivatives of the three primary germ layers: ectoderm, endoderm and mesoderm. In other words, they can develop into each of the more than 200 cell types of the adult body when given sufficient and necessary stimulation for a specific cell type. They do not contribute to the extra-embryonic membranes or the placenta.
Fetal
Fetal stem cells are primitive cell types found in the organs of fetuses.[18] The classification of fetal stem cells remains unclear and this type of stem cell is currently often grouped into an adult stem cell. However, a more clear distinction between the two cell types appears necessary.

[edit] Adult
Main article: Adult stem cell

Stem cell division and differentiation. A - stem cell; B - progenitor cell; C - differentiated cell; 1 - symmetric stem cell division; 2 - asymmetric stem cell division; 3 - progenitor division; 4 - terminal differentiationThe term adult stem cell refers to any cell which is found in a developed organism that has two properties: the ability to divide and create another cell like itself and also divide and create a cell more differentiated than itself. Also known as somatic (from Greek Σωματικóς, "of the body") stem cells and germline (giving rise to gametes) stem cells, they can be found in children, as well as adults.[19]

Pluripotent adult stem cells are rare and generally small in number but can be found in a number of tissues including umbilical cord blood.[20


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

I am quoting above different type of stem cells. Other decendant lines to plripotent cells can also do much.

None of which allow us to regenerate lost limbs. None of which are in circulation or take part in the normal healing process or in fighting disease.

Links suggest few stem cells remain present in circulation. Probably, we have some miss or weaknesses(inherited or acquired due to our opted lifestyle & practices), that we can't heal completely which stem cell therapiest are trying. Cloning is other issue where every thing can be renewed even without stem cells.

No they don't. At least, not such painfully wrong ones.


You are not presenting coloured stones. You are presenting bits of bark, leaves, dead insects and so on, and asking us each time if you've found a gem. We explain to you that you have not only not found a gem, you haven't even found a stone, and off you go again.

Here, Kumar, this is what your thinking leads to:

Stem Cell Tourist Dies From Treatment In ThailandThe people researching stem cells are mostly good, honest scientists. The people pushing stem cell therapies are all too often outright frauds - and murderers. (Though it's likely this unfortunate woman would have died from her disease anyway, since autoimmune diseases can be very difficult to treat.)

At least I am trying by brain storming. It is wasteful hear to talk about delicate healing systems.

Thanks for link. I shall go through later.

 

[PixyMisa]

I am quoting above different type of stem cells. Other decendant lines to plripotent cells can also do much.

Which is why we are researching stem cells.

Links suggest few stem cells remain present in circulation. Probably, we have some miss or weaknesses(inherited or acquired due to our opted lifestyle & practices)

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Got it yet?

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We have the same stem cells and the same healing mechanisms as any other mammal. This stuff about "inherited or acquired weaknesses" is GARBAGE.

that we can't heal completely which stem cell therapiest are trying.

Stem cell researchers are trying to produce NEW medical approaches.

Stem cell therapists are all too often frauds and murderers, as per the article I linked above.

Cloning is other issue where every thing can be renewed even without stem cells.

No and no.

At least I am trying by brain storming.

You are not trying, you are daydreaming.

It is wasteful hear to talk about delicate healing systems.

"Wasteful"? It's just true. There are limits to the body's ability to heal. That's why we have medicine, and why, when that fails, we die.

 

[Kumar]

There is some regeneration of neural cells, yes. But for the most part, they don't regenerate - for a long time it was thought they didn't regenerate at all.

"While the peripheral nervous system has an intrinsic ability for repair and regeneration, the central nervous system is, for the most part, incapable of self-repair and regeneration. There is currently no treatment for recovering human nerve function after injury to the central nervous system [4]. In addition, multiple attempts at nerve re-growth across the PNS-CNS transition have not been successful [4]. There is simply not enough knowledge about regeneration in the central nervous system. Although the peripheral nervous system has the capability for regeneration, much research still needs to be done to optimize the environment for maximum regrowth potential."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroregeneration

Neuroregeneration is possible as above. There are some odds about regenration of CNS--if it is due to interventions or natural.

There is no "should be". They DON'T. End of story.


Normal cells can't regenerate lost limbs either. That's why WE DON'T REGENERATE LOST LIMBS.


The "scope" of stem cells is beyond that of normal cells. That's what makes them stem cells. For example, bone marrow produces blood cells.

But stem cells are not magic fairies. They do not regenerate lost limbs in mammals, and never have. They do not circulate. They do not take part in the normal process of healing or of fighting disease.


Most of them, yes.

Regeration of lost limb is one extreme part, but other regenarations should be possible.

If most of normal cells have limited capacity of divisions, how then they are replaced?

 

[PixyMisa]

Neuroregeneration is possible as above.

Some nerve cells can regenerate, yes. I just said that.

There are some odds about regenration of CNS--if it is due to interventions or natural.

Regeneration of cells in the central nervous system is very limited. Yes, I just said that too. This is just how mammals are made. Our regenerative powers are very limited.

Regeration of lost limb is one extreme part, but other regenarations should be possible.

If you mean, possible once we've done the scientific research and worked out how to do it? Maybe.

If you mean, the body should be able to do it itself? No.

If most of normal cells have limited capacity of divisions, how then they are replaced?

There are three broad categories here, and I'll give you an example of each:

Skin cells replace themselves throughout your life. Not a problem.

Blood cells can't replace themselves; they are generated by stem cells in the bone marrow. Also not a problem.

Brain cells are (for the most part) not replaced at all. If you lose them, they are gone forever.

 

[Kumar]

Which is why we are researching stem cells.

Why they are researching if this therapy is fraud & if stem cells don't do any work in healing or if they are not present on injured site?

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Got it yet?

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We have the same stem cells and the same healing mechanisms as any other mammal. This stuff about "inherited or acquired weaknesses" is GARBAGE.

One yes, can override many NOs. We can try evaluting it by studing/comparing mammals even humans, lived in unintervened natural environment for long.

Stem cell researchers are trying to produce NEW medical approaches.

Stem cell therapists are all too often frauds and murderers, as per the article I linked above.


No and no.

I don't understand why they are trying, if they are frauds and murderers(like homeopathy as you say)?

You are not trying, you are daydreaming.

Still I am looking something in sleep.

"Wasteful"? It's just true. There are limits to the body's ability to heal. That's why we have medicine, and why, when that fails, we die.

You are forgetting about our natural capabilty to heal which had surrvived/ket the fittest for so long.

 

[PixyMisa]

Why they are researching if this therapy is fraud & if stem cells don't do any work in healing or if they are not present on injured site?

You have it all backwards.

There is potential for stem cells to be used in medical treatment. That's why we are doing the research.

HOWEVER, except for a small number of specific cancer treatments, we don't know how to use stem cells yet. That's why we know that most of the people promoting stem cell therapy right now are frauds.

One yes, can override many NOs.

No.

We can try evaluting it by studing/comparing mammals even humans, lived in unintervened natural environment for long.

We've DONE that. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

I don't understand why they are trying, if they are frauds and murderers(like homeopathy as you say)?

The people promoting stem cell therapy are most often frauds (and potentially, murderers) because we don't HAVE general stem cell therapies yet.

THAT'S WHY WE ARE DOING THE RESEARCH. IF WE ALREADY HAD THE THERAPIES, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO DO THE RESEARCH!!!!!!

Still I am looking something in sleep.

No.

You are forgetting about our natural capabilty to heal which had surrvived/ket the fittest for so long.

I am forgetting nothing. All those people DIED, Kumar.

 

[Kumar]

You have it all backwards.

There is potential for stem cells to be used in medical treatment. That's why we are doing the research.

HOWEVER, except for a small number of specific cancer treatments, we don't know how to use stem cells yet. That's why we know that most of the people promoting stem cell therapy right now are frauds.
The people promoting stem cell therapy are most often frauds (and potentially, murderers) because we don't HAVE general stem cell therapies yet.

Yes It is mentioned on US Gov. site.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/faqs.asp

On reading above site, you can say that people practicing stem cell therapy in its pre-matured stage.

We've DONE that. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

Evolutionary changes take lot of time. Still any referance?

THAT'S WHY WE ARE DOING THE RESEARCH. IF WE ALREADY HAD THE THERAPIES, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO DO THE RESEARCH!!!!!!

As said, research is a process (not absolute & final).

No.


I am forgetting nothing. All those people DIED, Kumar.

Death is certain but quality of health & viability of next generations should be more important than quantity.

 

[PixyMisa]

Yes It is mentioned on US Gov. site.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/faqs.asp

On reading above site, you can say that people practicing stem cell therapy in its pre-matured stage.

No, they are doing RESEARCH. They are NOT claiming to offer non-existent cures.

Evolutionary changes take lot of time.

Yes, they do. THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.

Still any referance?

Every human and veterinary medicine and biology textbook on the planet, Kumar.

As said, research is a process (not absolute & final).

And since we don't have these therapies yet, anyone offering such therapies as anything other than experimental IS A FRAUD. And, as illustrated previously, potentially a murderer.

Death is certain but quality of health & viability of next generations should be more important than quantity.

But that's easy. Jail all the homeopaths and ayurvedic peddlars and naturopaths and chiropractors and other quacks. Everyone else will be healthier and wealthier.

 

[Kumar]

No, they are doing RESEARCH. They are NOT claiming to offer non-existent cures.


Yes, they do. THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.

Every human and veterinary medicine and biology textbook on the planet, Kumar.

And since we don't have these therapies yet, anyone offering such therapies as anything other than experimental IS A FRAUD. And, as illustrated previously, potentially a murderer.[/quote]

On reading many sites on contraversial & yet half cooked stem cell therapy, you can be right. I don't know how such a serious thing (with possible horrible side effects) is allowed?
This is a good site for having closer look on stem cell treatments:-

Top Ten Things to Know About Stem Cell Treatments
http://www.closerlookatstemcells.org/Top_10_Stem_Cell_Treatment_Facts.htm

But that's easy. Jail all the homeopaths and ayurvedic peddlars and naturopaths and chiropractors and other quacks. Everyone else will be healthier and wealthier.

Simply, comment after accounting side & adverse effects.

 

[PixyMisa]

On reading many sites on contraversial & yet half cooked stem cell therapy, you can be right. I don't know how such a serious thing (with possible horrible side effects) is allowed?

In most countries, it's not. The case I linked to happened in Thailand, which doesn't seem to have good regulations on this yet. (They're too busy banning websites which insult their royal family...)

This is a good site for having closer look on stem cell treatments:-

Top Ten Things to Know About Stem Cell Treatments
http://www.closerlookatstemcells.org/Top_10_Stem_Cell_Treatment_Facts.htm

Yes, that is actually quite a good list.

Simply, comment after accounting side & adverse effects.

We've DONE that. Time to put them all in jail.

 

[Kumar]

In most countries, it's not. The case I linked to happened in Thailand, which doesn't seem to have good regulations on this yet. (They're too busy banning websites which insult their royal family...)


Yes, that is actually quite a good list.


We've DONE that. Time to put them all in jail.

Like wise, you may have to put many other in jail eg. modern food providers serving foods without proper studies so without evidances.

 

[paximperium]

Has Kumar made any posts that isn't nonsense yet?

 

[Kumar]

Has Kumar made any posts that isn't nonsense yet?

?? non sense to you.

 

[Sledge]

Like wise, you may have to put many other in jail eg. modern food providers serving foods without proper studies so without evidances.

Such as?

 

[Kumar]

I am bit tired. Anyway these discussions are complete & I don't think, anything new can be added. So thanks for your contributions & bye for now. I shall re-enter when refreshed.

Best regards & wishes.

 

[Sledge]

Anyway these discussions are complete & I don't think, anything new can be added.

I wouldn't normally poke fun at someone over a misplaced comma when English isn't their first language, but goddamn if that comma doesn't change the meaning of the sentence from what you meant to say to something reflecting what everything else is thinking.

Anyhoo, on your return, please tell us what foods you think are being provided without proper evidence. Hell, if you can even tell us what you mean by that it'll be a start.

 

[dafydd]

As I tend to be truthful, logically or scientifically, mostly you will change your mind. Then I shall welcome.

You are neither truthful,logical or scientific.

 

[PixyMisa]

Like wise, you may have to put many other in jail eg. modern food providers serving foods without proper studies so without evidances.

Like who? If you mean GM crops, they ARE tested.

If you mean back-street kebab vendors with indifferent sanitary procedures, then yes, fine them or jail them too.

 

[Kumar]

Like who? If you mean GM crops, they ARE tested.

If you mean back-street kebab vendors with indifferent sanitary procedures, then yes, fine them or jail them too.

We may not be having studies about individual food commonly available in market.

Anyway, I am specially thanksful to you for support & contribution.

I don't feel anything is left on this topic and no use in other discussions. I shall post, if I shall come across anything new in this field. I shall be more concentrating on how we can promote our own stem cell system. I do have some faint clues.

 

[PixyMisa]

We may not be having studies about individual food commonly available in market.

Yes, we do.

Anyway, I am specially thanksful to you for support & contribution.

I'd be thankful if you actually paid attention.

I don't feel anything is left on this topic and no use in other discussions. I shall post, if I shall come across anything new in this field. I shall be more concentrating on how we can promote our own stem cell system.

We can't.

I do have some faint clues.

No you don't.