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Holocaust denial and Truthers

T.A.M. said:
Ok, since you are making strawmen of my arguments, let me restate them for you.

... Because many of those who believe 9/11 was an inside job believe Israel (the JOOS) were part of the plot, and hence we also see an overlap with those who believe the inside job, also believing the holocaust was faked/exaggerated etc... You may dislike the connection beoing brought up, because maybe you are a truther who does not believe the holocaust mumbojumbo, but the tie is there....

SO to recap, and address your strawmen...

1. I didn't say YOU hate jews.
2. The spelling was to mock those who come in here blaming the JOOS.3. I didn't say MOST.
4. I said there was an OVERLAP between the two camps. You know, 90% of each are solely in their own camps, but about 10% of each are in both. Maybe a bit more.
5. My desire is not to stop the convo, although as of late few if any conversations on 9/11 are worth continuing, but rather to point out that whether you like it or not, there is a distinct portion of your truth movement that are also holocaust deniers. SO either learn to live with it, or DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

TAM:)
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TAM - when was the last time someone was in here actually blaming Jews for 9/11? Nice try to justify your own ignorant parody.
 
ImANiceGuy said:
TAM - when was the last time someone was in here actually blaming Jews for 9/11? Nice try to justify your own ignorant parody.
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Tsk, tsk... This is MaGZ, a current poster (in this very thread, too) and unapologetic Jew-hater, two years ago:

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Last night I saw “Secrets of 9/11” on ID (Investigate Discovery) channel and learned a few new things. One item had Col. Duffy, one of the pilots that flew to NYC that day, stating that he was flying directly over WTC 1 as it collapsed. I still think Duffy and Nasty are wrong saying they were not in the area of GZ when the second plane hit.

In another segment, the communications to Air Force One and also in the presidential limousine were not working or was sporadic keeping Bush cutoff from the White House. What are the chances this would happen in a time of crisis? I concluded the Israelis must have jammed Presidential communications to keep Bush from issuing orders to shoot down the planes thereby increasing the chances the hijackings would be successful. Previously, I was aware the Israelis issued a coded threat against Bush when he was abroad Air Force One falsely indicating the terrorists were aware of presidential communications.
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(Bolding his, hilighting mine).

MaGZ said:
The Israelis learned of the planned 9/11 attacks and let it happened. They had the hijackers under surveillance. Local FBI investigators realized this shortly after the attacks and took their discovery to FOX News in December 2001. The Israelis wanted the AQ hijackers to be successful so they jammed the President’s communications with the White House. Also they issued a coded threat against Air Force One. Later the White House said it just a mistake. Only the Israelis would have been able to compromise White House communications.
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
Tsk, tsk... This is MaGZ, a current poster (in this very thread, too) and unapologetic Jew-hater, two years ago:
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Well 'Israel' has a different meaning than 'Jewish' which in turn has a different meaning from 'Mossad' and in turn 'zionist'.

To be fair, you've posted Magz's speculations that Israeli's were involved in the attack. This is a far stretch from being an unapologetic jew-hater!
 
ImANiceGuy said:
Well 'Israel' has a different meaning than 'Jewish' which in turn has a different meaning from 'Mossad' and in turn 'zionist'.

To be fair, you've posted Magz's speculations that Israeli's were involved in the attack. This is a far stretch from being an unapologetic jew-hater!
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I suggest you check Magz's posting history before you defend the guy. He is an unapologetic Jew Hater.
 
ImANiceGuy said:
To be fair, you've posted Magz's speculations that Israeli's were involved in the attack. This is a far stretch from being an unapologetic jew-hater!
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If I had come to that conclusion based solely on the two posts I quoted, your comment here might actually be worth something. As it stands, however, he's given all of us more than enough evidence to reach the conclusion I've expressed. You, I'm sorry to say, are simply talking out of your ass.

dudalb said:
And then there is 9/11 Investigator..........
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Yep. He's even worse than MaGZ.

ETA: Oh! And then there's A-Train, who believes Mossad agents pointed the planes at their targets and then bailed out of the front wheel well.
 
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As someone noted, the Truth movement tolerates and even welcomes Holocaust Deniers and some pretty thinly veiled Anti Semites into their ranks, and then gets into a hissy fit when somebody suggests there is a an overlap.
If they had any brains, they would have understood that tolerating those types is quick death as as being taken seriously goes.
You lie down with the dogs, you are going to get fleas, as the old saying goes.
 
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
If I had come to that conclusion based solely on the two posts I quoted, your comment here might actually be worth something. As it stands, however, he's given all of us more than enough evidence to reach the conclusion I've expressed. You, I'm sorry to say, are simply talking out of your ass.
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If my ass were able to speak, I can imagine the **** it would spew...

If the two comments you posted weren't the worst examples of Magz's unapologetic jew-hating, then why did you bother posting them?

You're having enough problems speaking from your mouth, no need to go 3 feet south....

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As I see it both the Holocaust and 9/11 are maintained by a power structure that upholds its hegemony, at least partially, by controlling the opposition (as VI Lenin is supposed to have said, this is the way to ensure you win a debate - although there is no well-authenticated source that I can find for that quote).
To say the Illuminati seeks to infiltrate these movements is to understate the case, they try as far as possible to establish the opposition from the very beginning.

So, for example, when individual Illuminatus have fiery arguments with 9-11 Investigator, they are effectively, whether they know it or not, arguing with themselves.
 
little grey rabbit said:
As I see it both the Holocaust and 9/11 are maintained by a power structure that upholds its hegemony, at least partially, by controlling the opposition (as VI Lenin is supposed to have said, this is the way to ensure you win a debate - although there is no well-authenticated source that I can find for that quote).
To say the Illuminati seeks to infiltrate these movements is to understate the case, they try as far as possible to establish the opposition from the very beginning.

So, for example, when individual Illuminatus have fiery arguments with 9-11 Investigator, they are effectively, whether they know it or not, arguing with themselves.
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Huh? Members who respond to 9/11 are Illuminati? Are you serious, or is this a sarcastic post?
 
I see that the classic truther response to contradictory evidence is being used:Just ignore it. Sort of a five year old going putting his fingers in his ears and going "LALALA!I DON"T HEAR YOU!"
 
lionking said:
Okay. Which ones please. Me?
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I think that you probably fall into the category of an unuseful idiot.

Think of it as a little like the SS, lionking. The SS in its ideology didn't say they were all about evil or genocide. Their slogans were words like "Honour", "Loyalty" and "Purity". Even when carrying out their alleged genocide program it was called "resettlement" and "final solution". They created realities and belief structures which at the lower levels people could work within without feeling they were committing crimes or doing wrong, in fact, believe that they were acting with the highest integrity.

This probably explains why the Nazis admired the Rhodes Scholarship scheme so much.
 
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