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Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

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Patently ridiculous. On to ignore you go, troll.

Ridiculous to you maybe, however an example.

10 people witness a ufo, and say nothing, or thousands as in the pheonix lights.
some years later one tells his story, cites his friends who also witnessed alleged ufo.

As a debunker how do you rate that evidence.
Because thats how you would now rate a 911 jet witness who never spoke up.
 
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Ridiculous to you maybe, however an example.

10 people witness a ufo, and say nothing.
some years later one tells his story, cites his friends who also witnessed alleged ufo.

As a debunker how do you rate that evidence.
Because thats how you would now rate a 011 jet witness who never spoke up.

Another example. 10 people witness a UFO crash into a building which collapses killing all 20 people on the UFO and 200 people in the building and say nothing. UFO parts are found. DNA and body parts of the victims both in the building and in the UFO are found. Radar tracked the UFO to the building. The UFO is caught on multiple cameras from different angles all showing the UFO flying into the building. All of the evidence points to this UFO striking the building even without any eyewitnesses.

Some years later one tells his story and cites his friends who also witnessed the alleged UFO.

As a truther, how do you rate that evidence?
 
I am not saying they didnt see it i am saying, as you well know, that there evidence is now tainted to the point of mute.
And dont try to kid anyone as to the volume of statements that would have been taken on and shortly after the day of 911 as they would of consisted of many thousands.
So show us some.

Are you actually stupid enough to believe that the police or whomever would/should have gone around collecting statements from people who saw the plane?
 
Are you actually stupid enough to believe that the police or whomever would/should have gone around collecting statements from people who saw the plane?


I am not stupid enough to imagine that they didnt take statements for several weeks after the event from eye witnesses, are you as your implying.
 
sts75- why would the NYPD and FBI walk around NYC, asking people:

"did you see the planes hit the towers? are you sure you saw PLANES? can you please describe the objects you saw hit the towers?"

they had better things to do, my friend. plus NO ONE ever thought people would be stupid or crazy enough to suggest that there were "no planes on 9-11".

clearly, they were wrong.
 
I am not stupid enough to imagine that they didnt take statements for several weeks after the event from eye witnesses, are you as your implying.

Wait, do you actually think they took statements from every single person who saw the event?
 
No.

Do you really think they didnt take any eye witness testimony ?.

why would they ask people:

"did you see the plane crash into the towers?"

there was no logical, rational reason to verify that a plane had indeed crashed into the towers.

hundreds of police and firemen saw it with their own eyes.

thousands more civilians saw it.

its like asking people if they saw the sun rise...and if they are sure it wasn't a giant light bulb.

anyways, there is eyewitness testimony on record from that day from civilian witnesses. just go to the video sites that have 4 different network's coverage of the day's events.
 
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Enough!!

There are at minimum four independent lines of evidence that demonstrate the presence of jetliners hitting the Twin Towers.
  1. Everyone has already cited the eyewitness accounts, but the truther responses to those are inadequate. No one can dismiss those accounts on the basis of them being listed on a specific individual's page, given that the individual in question has linked to original sources, and no one can dismiss them on facile lunacies like the inaccuracy of human recall; while there's not universal agreement on the details of the jets that impacted, every single witness testifies that jets hit. This is indisputable. In order to make refutations to their testimonies to work, those refutations must 1. Demonstrate that a jet was in fact not present, and 2. Establish what the item was that they did see. General issues with witness recall are limited in scope to details and fail to refute the summary of testimonies adding up to jets being present. And stupid requests for "official documentation" in the face of multiple news quotes as well as independent supporting evidence is not an attempt to establish reality, it's an attempt to negate it. In the absence of that, simplistic, argumentative dismissals fail to refute their testimony. End of story.
  2. The radar data in conjunction with other electronic evidence also establishes the presence of jets at the Twin Towers. In order to refute this, the refutation must attempt to explain how the radar data is wrong, and/or how people interpreting it were fooled. Simple handwaves of the supposed omnipotence of the government are NOT sufficient. On top of that, refutations of this must also not contradict the witness statements, so taking the easy way out by saying records were faked is insufficient in the face of eyewitness testimony (see above) unless the explanation for how they were faked is somehow made consistent with what witnesses saw. And then, it still must agree with the other lines of evidence following.
  3. The aircraft debris by itself establishes the presence of jets in the area. Refutations to this must not contradict with both the radar/electronic evidence given above, and with the eyewitness testimonies.
  4. Video evidence (Google these for yourselves). This also establishes the presence of jets in the area, and above and beyond that, is replayable and can be used to pick out details that a real-time eyewitness wouldn't have had time to discern. Refutations to this, like above, can not contradict the previous lines of evidence.
The fact that jets hit the Twin Towers is established. The evidence has been in existence for a long time now. If one wants to rebut this evidence, as I noted above, the rebuttals must explain what happened in return. And it must conform to the evidence that does exist. Saying that witnesses could not have seen a jet is contradicted by the wreckage and the radar/electronic data, as well as the video. Saying that the radar data or video was faked is contradicted by the eyewitnesses who clearly saw aircraft hit both towers. Saying that the debris is faked is also contradicted by eyewitnesses, debris, radar, and video. A rebuttal, in order to be a consistent and correct explanation of the event, MUST take into account all the lines of evidence and explain them. It must explain what the witnesses did see. It must explain what the radar recorded. It must explain what the jetliner debris was doing in New York, and how it got there. And it must explain what was recorded by video and film crews. If it does not, then it fails to refute the established narrative. Period.

Now, if truthers want to have a productive, sensible conversation, then they must take all that into account. This is because the above is the bar that logic sets; it's not a requirement that I or anyone else generates. Explanations must take into account all lines of evidence. If they do not, they fail, pure and simple. And they fail because they not only do not account for what is know, but are contradicted by it.

Explain the event now using the totality of the evidnece. And put away with this senseless distortion of irrelevant details. Not only is that mere argumentiveness for the sake of being disruptive, it fails to address what's known and established.
 
This whole thread is asking people, based on the 43 Videos video, whether or not they believe a plane hit WTC2. So, in hindsight, the question is very relevant. What is your answer?




When i have an answer you will be the first to know it.
 
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http://www.televisionarchive.org/sept11.html#September11

here you go, STS75.

4 networks worth of video from 9-11. lots of eyewitness accounts there.

Here's a quote that I found at the very FIRST link I clicked on in the archive that Thunder wanted us to see:

"Notice, you DON'T ACTUALLY SEE the impact until they show the "replay". And these were live shots; what we saw live should have been what was replayed."

Source:

http://www.archive.org/details/nbc200109110831-0912

The second piece of information I looked at was the ABC coverage that, at the 19:59 mark of the video has the talking head lady in red telling us

"We just got a report of some kind of EXPLOSION at the WTC"

Source:

http://www.archive.org/details/abc200109110831-0912

What was the report, once again? It was a report of an explosion.

So, Our Diane Sawyer is yet another candidate for the coveted title of FIRST NO PLANER.

Come on, posters and lurkers, the actual confirmation that NO BOEING 767s hit the Twin Towers is right there in front of you and has been all along.

Look at it, please.


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The page numbering for the thread is now out of whack. So I'll have to resume at pg. 25 with the next in the ALL 43 sequence. :cool:
 
Here's a quote that I found at the very FIRST link I clicked on in the archive that Thunder wanted us to see:

"Notice, you DON'T ACTUALLY SEE the impact until they show the "replay". And these were live shots; what we saw live should have been what was replayed."

Watch the CBS live feed. You can clearly see the wing and the tail of the plane come in from the right, as it crashes into the tower. This is LIVE.

FAIL. MAJOR TRUTHER FAIL.

boy am I glad I posted this link. :)
 
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