The Improbable 9/11 and its followers

[CORed]

I'm not a structural engineer. However, when I see a sequence of plane hits building, causing significant structural damage and starting a massive fire, and shortly thereafter the building collapses, I don't have any difficulty at all believing that the impact, the fire, or a combination of the impact and fire caused the collapse. I may not know in detail how the impact and fire caused the collapse, but, absent convincing evidence to the contrary, I'm very confident that I know the cause.

When, more than eight years after the event, none of the advocates of alternative explanations have produced one shred of credible evidence to support the notion of explosives, thermite, or space beams, I can be very confident that the sensible default hypothesis is correct.

Similarly, I'm not a doctor, but if I drop a bowling ball on my foot, and that event is followed by pain, bruising and swelling in that foot, I can be pretty confident that the pain and swelling were caused by the bowling ball, not cancer, toxins in my food, or a rare tropical disease. I may not know in detail which components of my foot have been damaged, but I have a pretty good idea of the cause.

 

[leftysergeant]

Well, compare a boeing 767 to a missile or a bomb and you would find the similarities to be quite many But yet the collapses are never global and even similar to any of the towers.

No building ever hit by a bomb and set afire was built in a manner remotely like either the towers nor WTC 7. There is only one way that the towers could collapse from damage at the top, and there was no possible arresting mechanism once the floors started falling out of their brackets. The perimeter columns just peeled away like a banana skin because they had lost their lateral support and were subjected to over-pressurization from the inside.

Makes perfect sense to a fire fighter and sometimes construction laborer. Pull you head out of the lab now and then, You're getting myopic.

 

[Newtonian]

I thank you all so much for your responses

And I have learned alot in how you interpret words in general.

I wrote in my original thread what I observe, and how mathmathical improbable this would
be in accordance to historical evidence.

However this was interpreted in many ways and all in accordance with views allready
embeded in the persons view of the situation at hand (A presumption made on the posts
made by 6 of the ones that have replied to my thread)

Being from Norway and very acceptable in any view of the matter,
I would like you to put forward the strongest evidence you have
against Osama Bin Laden the orchestrator of 9/11.

-I never stated the collapses was impossible.

And yes, I might be stupid as many of you claim. And I might be ignorant
and all the other name calling suggestions.

And I understand all of you from your perspectives.

You are the intelligent people, you have enlightened me so far
Keep on the good work

 

[Thunder]

I would like you to put forward the strongest evidence you have
against Osama Bin Laden the orchestrator of 9/11.

there is a little thing called Wikipedia.

why don't you start there first.

 

[Newtonian]

there is a little thing called Wikipedia.

why don't you start there first.

So... you mean wikepedia is evidence?

I`m not sure what you know about wikepedia, but it
is open for common users to edit any insertion made.

 

[Newtonian]

And to be honest, if Wikepedia is your strongest evidence...

 

[BigAl]

I would like you to put forward the strongest evidence you have
against Osama Bin Laden the orchestrator of 9/11.
)

Follow the links contained below abd read the books listed in the biography.

bin Laden very publicly declared war on the US in 1991 and had killed hundreds of Americans prior to 9/11.

Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda Updated 5/22/09


http://911links.webs.com/index.htm

Table Of Contents
[1] NEWS (Jan 2001) Some See U.S. as Terrorists' Next Big Target
[2] (Jan 2001) ObL Tells Reporter that US attacks are comming.
[3] New York Times reports about al Queda about 89 times prior to 9/11/2001
[4] bin Laden quotes
[5] Al Qaeda: Statements and Evolving Ideology
[6] 1996: bin Laden declares war on America.
[7] ObL attacks on America prior to 2001 listed
[8] Specific attack warnings
[9] Bibliography
Al Qaeda Now - Understanding today's terrorists - Ed. by Greenberg
9/11 Comission Report Ch. 6.3
The Commission - The Uncensored History Of The 9/11 Investigation by Shenon, Philip
Messages to the world; The statements of Osama bin Laden translated by Bruce Lawrence
Congressional Report for Congress; Al Qaede: Statements and Evolving Ideology
The Power of Nightmares VIDEO (3 parts)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares
The Shadow Factory - The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 by Bamford
PBS Nova Spy Factory
Ghost Wars by Cole
The Looming Tower - Wright
The bin Ladens by Cole
Spying Blind by Amy Zegart.

[10] 1998 ObL Fatwa calling for attack on the US
[11] Complete 9/11 timeline
[12] Answer to "bin Laden not wanted by FBI"
[13] US Government "Wanted" poster for bin Laden
[14] KSM's indictment document

 

[Thunder]

And to be honest, if Wikepedia is your strongest evidence...

Wikipedia is a resource that provides links to evidence.

Mocking our suggestions is not very nice.

 

[Newtonian]

Follow the links contained below abd read the books listed in the biography.

bin Laden very publicly declared war on the US in 1991 and had killed hundreds of Americans prior to 9/11.

Im sorry to say, this does not link him to 9/11.

 

[Newtonian]

Wikipedia is a resource that provides links to evidence.

Mocking our suggestions is not very nice.

I was not mocking, I am sorry if you felt that:/

But I did not see you specifically adress to the links:/

 

[Thunder]

Im sorry to say, this does not link him to 9/11.

are you a crypto-Truther? if you are, the disguise is horrible.

 

[Newtonian]

are you a crypto-Truther? if you are, the disguise is horrible.

I believe that any evidence would be held at the same standard.

 

[Newtonian]

You did go to war on this evidence , right?

 

[Thunder]

You did go to war on this evidence , right?

are you a Truther? I'd like to know.

 

[Newtonian]

are you a Truther? I'd like to know.

What does that have to do with evidence? I`d like to know.

If you define Truther, I might be able to answer. I have seen this
terminology been used in the broadest of varieties.

 

[Thunder]

If you define Truther, I might be able to answer. I have seen this
terminology been used in the broadest of varieties.

do you believe that 9-11 was an inside job, or was very likely an inside job?
do you believe that the WTC towers and WTC 7 fell as the result of a controlled demolition?

if so...then YOU are a truther.

 

[Newtonian]

do you believe that 9-11 was an inside job, or was very likely an inside job?
do you believe that the WTC towers and WTC 7 fell as the result of a controlled demolition?

if so...then YOU are a truther.

I believe that vital information about the events of 9/11 has been
witheld from the public. And I am very curious why the
9/11 commision was as they would state "set up to fail" .

What that specifically is, Im not sure.

But the lack of evidence linking bin laden to the attacks
serves as a vital clue in my perspective.

 

[Thunder]

I believe that vital information about the events of 9/11 has been
witheld from the public. And I am very curious why the
9/11 commision was as they would state "set up to fail" .

But the lack of evidence linking bin laden to the attacks
serves as a vital clue in my perspective.

so you are a Truther. ok. at least we now know where you are coming from.

do you enjoy being coy?

 

[Newtonian]

so you are a Truther. ok. at least we now know where you are coming from.

do you enjoy being coy?

Im not sure I understand.

 

[Thunder]

Im not sure I understand.

I like your style. You got guts. Come by my office some time and I'll give you a job.