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100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)

I'd just like to thank you guys for continuing to repeat and reexplain yourselves over and over and over across all these years.

Maybe someday I will evolve the patience to be involved in one of these threads, but I certainly don't have it now. I do read along, and I do learn, and you know many many others do too.

So thanks! Don't let willful ignorance get you down,

DO IT FOR THE LURKERS!
 
There is more than ample evidence to substantiate The Faith, even though it necessarily falls short of absolute. Absolute knowledge would require no faith now would it?

Can you provide even one piece if evidence?
 
There is more than ample evidence to substantiate The Faith, even though it necessarily falls short of absolute. Absolute knowledge would require no faith now would it?

If you need evidential faith then youre going to Hell
the bible clearly says so
perhaps you should read it properly sinner
:D
 
I am. It's on the one who decided to make such claims and the one who decides to support it. Why haven't you done so?

What claim would that be? I asked a question - you do understand the function of a question mark in English, do you?

It is? Do tell. Be very very specific about it.


Be very specific about the simple fact that Raddy-boy's regurgiatation of a very common false claims about evolution based on basically outdated ideas that is in any way Darwininan or evolution?

Be very specific about how his arguments based solely on incredulity and pure ignorance is in any way valid?

Ah, apparently not.

In what way has any of the very valid conclusions about the ignorance, stupidity and dishonesty of the Intelligent Design and Creationist proponents been a strawman?

I eagerly await your response.

Things like making up claims they haven't made and then attack for them - you know, the usual way.
 
Well; 154 was attacking the theory of evolution on the assumptions and suppositions it had to make. Considering his favourite alternative made inifinitelly more and bigger such assumptions and suppositions; it was rather self-defeating of him and I pointed that out...

I you want to expand the point, yes, you will have to mention Occam's rather as Pax did (the actual Occam's rather not its popular misrepresentation).

For example, if I forget to look my door and, when I come back, both my wallets and cell-phone have disappeared, I will assume one person came in and stole it. I won't assume two independant thieves, one taking the wallet and the other the phone (not multiplying the entities).
-I won't assume that my wallet and cell-phone simply dissolved into nothingness on their own. After all, we know that thieves exist but we don't know of any mechanism for such objects to spontaneously dissolve. Supposing such a mechanism would be creating a new 'entity'.
-Similarly, if it is my fridge or washer-dried that goes away, I will, this time assume to thieves rather than just one super-strong one. After all, we know that thieves roam the world and it is small effort to imagine a second example of an accepted concept. On the other hand, a super-strong thief that can carry such a heavy object on his own would be quite a strong assumption.

Using or extending known phenomena will always be a more parsimonious solution to assuming entirely new and unknown ones...
If the thief came through my window, I would look for a ladder, a rope or something as we know they exist and function, and will always be a better alternative to the idea that the thief just flew through my window.
In the presence of such a parsimonious explanation, the less parsimonious explanation should be considered less likely and unnecessary.

So, as long as an explanation exist that can account for a phenomenon through naturalistic physical means (that we know for a fact exist), the alternative supernatural explanation is unnecessary...


Thank you for your well reasoned response Simon39759.
I'll take it on board, and read up a bit on this theologian and Franciscan friar William of Ockham - and his razor. :)
 
That's YOUR definition of faith not the biblical one. Also, assumptions are not necessarily unjustified. They can be based on both jusifable inductive and deductive reasoning. Can we assume that from nothing comes nothing? Or can we assume that if there was nothing then nothing would exist? Or that if thee is something then there had to be something to cause it? I see nothing wrong with those assumptions-do you?

Yes, I can't see that those assumptions are justifiable. Quantum fluctuations involve something coming from nothing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

In addition, your assumptions are not based on deductive reasoning.

In the case of inductive reasoning, they ARE justified, but only if you assume that what humans observe from day-to-day holds true for all of space and time. As shown above, what occurs in the smaller parts of reality does not support the assumptions.
 
Things like making up claims they haven't made and then attack for them - you know, the usual way.
That nice. Do tell. Be very very specific about it. I asked a question - you do understand the function of a question mark in English, do you?
 
Has 154 ever provided any criticism(or even basic knowledge) of the theory of evolution that isn't based on his uneducated stupidity and ignorance yet?
 
Has 154 ever provided any criticism(or even basic knowledge) of the theory of evolution that isn't based on his uneducated stupidity and ignorance yet?

154 has not provided anything to support any of his claims.
It is because he says it is and those of us who ask for some kind of evidence are just being faithful.
 
154 has not provided anything to support any of his claims.
It is because he says it is and those of us who ask for some kind of evidence are just being faithful.
I have faith in 154 to continue to provide great examples of behavior and intellect(or lack thereof) that show how "intelligent" and vile fundie Christians are. The horned-one would be proud of 154.
 
I have faith in 154 to continue to provide great examples of behavior and intellect(or lack thereof) that show how "intelligent" and vile fundie Christians are. The horned-one would be proud of 154.

Since you do not have absolute knowledge, I agree with you: you have faith.
 
Thank you for your well reasoned response Simon39759.
I'll take it on board, and read up a bit on this theologian and Franciscan friar William of Ockham - and his razor. :)


Thank you.
Yes Occam was a remarkable thinker and, interestingly, the thoughts that made him most famous, are but a small facet of his philosophies.
 
That nice. Do tell. Be very very specific about it.

The claim is that Radrook has misrepresented evolution as being Lamarckian.
But you're quite well aware of that, so I can only conclude this is intended to serve some rhetorical purpose.

I asked a question - you do understand the function of a question mark in English, do you?

Yes, I do that's why I answered it. Not a courtesy you seem to have managed to return.
 
Has 154 ever provided any criticism(or even basic knowledge) of the theory of evolution that isn't based on his uneducated stupidity and ignorance yet?


As far as I can tell, s/he is very cagey about making concrete criticisms of ANYTHING. I suspect it's out of fear of showing how little s/he knows about any given subject.
 
The claim is that Radrook has misrepresented evolution as being Lamarckian.

I don't think he misrepresented it, he probably really thinks that's how evolution works.

My question for you, then, is what makes it not lamarckism? I reread it, just to make sure, and I still see it as lamarckism.
 
In order to prevent you from now asking this question repeatedly ad nauseum I ask,
can you read?

My very point was if you believers can recognize any of those things,
and then specifically said "No, I would not."

Got it yet?

Chill dude, lets talk.

The theory of abiogenesis is not that life came from a rock. It is that there appear to have been the precursor to the formation of life on the early earth and then there are some pretty cool theories that try to examine how that might have happened.

The chemicals are out there in the solar system and the galaxy. So again the theory of abiogeneisis is an attempt to explain how life may have arisen.

Now we can discuss the theories if you like and what you feel is a bad fit for the data to the theory.

The theory of evolution is not that human came from fish, it is that if there is life and there is variation within individuals of a species then the members of the species that reproduce well, will leave more progeny. That is the theory of evolution.

Now there are species which do NOT evolve as much because they reproduce through cloning as a rule and not sexually very much.

Now the origin of humans in not theorized to have been directly from fishes, it is much more complex than that. Humans came from apes, apes came from proto apes. proto apes came from ur primates and currently the best guess is that the primate line arose from a shrew like creature.

Now the question of where mammals arose is a very good one, and while there are theories they are still kind of vague in that department.

Now if at any time you want to discuss teh actual theories I will try to do so, I will answer your questions to the best of my ability.

And I do not expect you to agree with me, I will read what you have to say and try to respond to it as best I may.

I do not expect you to agree with any orthodoxy, I would just like you to at least make an informed decision, many people still reject the ToE after that.

When I was religious and a Christian of deep faith, I thought it was part of god's plan as they are busy running the universe.
 
The claim is that Radrook has misrepresented evolution as being Lamarckian.
But you're quite well aware of that, so I can only conclude this is intended to serve some rhetorical purpose.

I disagree with you; here is the actual quote (please note that it did not originate from Radrook but from another source, so he did not produce but merely adopted the misrepresentation at his own:


Radrook said:
Here is a quote I find interesting: Not saying it isn't somehow flawed, just interesting.
Feel free to object or crticize.

Another way to imagine the impossibilities of evolution is to think about what evolutionists claim.... that the habitat of an animal (or person) will cause them to develop traits or functions that better suit them to that environment, through information-gaining mutations and natural selection of those added traits. Let’s take a man and his wife, and say they live by the ocean. They swim in the ocean all the time, and hold their breath and swim underwater every day. Then they have kids, which also swim all the time, and hold their breath to swim underwater, because they are all pearl divers. Generation after generation of this family stays by the ocean, each son and daughter marry other people who live by the ocean and swim all the time. How long will it take before one of the children has the ability to breath underwater? The correct answer is never, but evolutionists believe that in a situation like this, eventually one of the children will be born with gills, and will be able to breath underwater. A logical person would realize this is impossible; a human would never develop gills, because the capability to breath underwater is not in the human genome. Evolutionists pretend that fish grew legs and lungs because for some reason “it was beneficial for them to leave water.”
http://www.themythofevolution.com/Site/Myth of Evolution.html


Let look at it again, in particular this sentence:
that the habitat of an animal (or person) will cause them to develop traits or functions that better suit them to that environment, through information-gaining mutations and natural selection of those added traits.

This is the crux of the problem. The quote use the terms: mutation and natural selection, which are, indeed part of the evolutionary theory.
At the same time; it take care to precise 'the habitat of an animal (or person).
Obviously, natural selection applies to population and not person. On the other, Lamarckism idea is about individual reinforcing trait and organs they are using.
It seems that the source misunderstood the theory of evolution as being something similar to what Lamarck actually described and then misuse terms that he knew were use to the theory of evolution to described these concepts.

Indeed, the following example is about one individual person reinforcing his ability to dive through constant practice (Lamarck's "adaptive force") and then passing it to his descendant (Lamarck's "soft inheritance").

The quote makes it quite clear that it is not about populations (which is what evolve in the theory of evolution). It also makes no mention about member of this population out-performing and out-reproducing competing members (the actual natural selection). The quote also mention that it is the constant diving and underwater activity that bring the appearance of gills ("evolutionists (sic believe that in a situation like this, eventually one of the children will be born with gills") which is a Lamarckian concept ("la fonction crée l'organe"). In Darwinian theory, such a mutation (let's pretend that such an organ could emerge through one single mutation) would be just as likely to happen to such a future pearl-diver than to a nomad in the desert. The difference, of course, being that it would only be selected in the diver population.

So, yes, I agree with the other posters, the quote seems to be describing Lamarckism rather than the actual theory of evolution such as originated from Darwin.
The quote does indeed make use of the word "natural selection" that is indeed part of the theory but, in its explanation of the phenomenon, does not describe anything like it...
To me, what is being described and criticized is indeed Lamarckism.
 

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