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100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)

Thanks for the reply complexity, it's this kind of civil discourse that makes these forums my most recent addiction. :)

@David and Radrook (again)

What would convince you that the modern synthesis of evolutionary theory is right? What evidence do you see as lacking?


Thanks!

As you browse through the threads in these forums, you'll learn what an extraordinary thing you just did, commending me on participating in civil discourse.

You've made me happy, several others smile, and caused a few to choke.
 
However, is the cyclical oscillatory universe the currently preferred cosmology?

While I love the oscillating universe hypothesis (I find it elegant), the evidence is, as I understand it, that the universe's expansion is accelerating and won't collapse on itself.
 
Just because I don't have any idea how it works and have no interest in examining it doesn't necessarily mean I think it is stupid. I have no idea how the Hubble Telescope works and have no interest in it but I don't think it is stupid.

Am I educated in it? Well, I was taught it in public schools and I never failed a science class.

You sound like a fanatic or fundamentalist tyrant. You see this?

I think it is stupid because I think it is stupid.

Soooo, to get this right. You have no problems accepting that the hubble telescope functions (and thus that its underlying physics and the models used to interpret its data are correct), yet the things it sees you think are stupid?
Without the Hubble modern day astrophysics would be a much poorer field and the current theories about the universe lacking a lot of supporting data.

Again, why are you posting here? You do not want to listen, you show no interest in any real debate except the namecalling you could also do in a kintergarden and you present no evidence to back up your case except your opinion (or more to the point, Hovinds opinion).
 
I have never disagreed nor do I disagree with natural selection.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species

BTW
It's the temporal effect conclusion that we don't agree on. Evolutionists take it to the point of fish ultimately changing into people. Something which I just don't by and neither do some others who are trained in the natural sciences.

So, if a natural disaster wipes out the animals from 2 o'clock to 10 o'clock, leaving only those at 12 and 11, do you agree we now have 2 species, where there was only one before?

What stops this from going further? We haven't actually specified what the differences are; do you think certain kinds of differences can develop, and not others? What mechanism is enforcing this?
 
The earth is a big rock, or a big speck of cosmic dust, upon which and from the marvelous complexity of life arose by random chance.

or, in other words,

you came from a rock by accident

or not.

Those are your choices, no matter how much you try to fluff it up.
 
The earth is a big rock, or a big speck of cosmic dust, upon which and from the marvelous complexity of life arose by random chance.

or, in other words,

you came from a rock by accident

or not.

Those are your choices, no matter how much you try to fluff it up.

Sure, there there is always the binary choice. Either X or ~X. You either "came from a rock by accident" or ~("you came from a rock by accident").

Sure. Which of these do YOU think people around here would pick? ;)
 
The earth is a big rock, or a big speck of cosmic dust, upon which and from the marvelous complexity of life arose by random chance.

or, in other words,

you came from a rock by accident

or not.

Those are your choices, no matter how much you try to fluff it up.

God is a magic man in the sky with super powers who poofs things into existence with a thought.

or, in other words,

you were poofed into existence by magic

or not.

those are you're choices, no matter how much you try to fluff it up.
 
God is a magic man in the sky with super powers who poofs things into existence with a thought.

or, in other words,

you were poofed into existence by magic

or not.

those are you're choices, no matter how much you try to fluff it up.

Yes.

God created

or you came from a rock by accident.

Yes, I say God.
 
The earth is a big rock, or a big speck of cosmic dust, upon which and from the marvelous complexity of life arose by random chance.
The earth is not a big rock. The earth is not a big speck of cosmic dust (well it sort of is, but it is not just that).

The earth is a very complex set of gasses, fluids, and solids; the solids include rocks, metals, and other carbon and non-carbon based compounds.

Life did not come from the rocks. Most likely it came from the gasses and fluids, and some of the carbon-based solid compounds. Not the rocks.
 
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And having skimmed a bit more of the posts that were written since I last logged in, I am not sure if anyone has made the following point yet.

There seems to be some confusion about facts and theories and how that ties in with evolution, cosmology, and science in general. For example, the observation that if you throw a rock, it describes a parabolic arc before hitting the ground (unless you can throw it really, really hard and have it enter low earth orbit) is a fact. The observation that most of the observable mass in the universe is moving away from our perspective is a fact. The observation that certain fossils are always found in certain strata and can be lined up to show changes within a lineage of an organism is a fact.

What a scientist does is take all of these facts and use them to construct a theory such as Newtonian gravity, the Inflationary theory, or the theory of natural selection. So far, this can all be dismissed as idle speculation, as David Henson and Hovind do, but that is because they do not move on to the next step in the scientific method: testing the theory.

You see, any theory worth the pixels used to explain it not only shows how the facts fit together, but also allows you to make predictions about future observations. The scientist can then design an experiment to test these predictions (much like the fertilizer example given earlier). The results of the experiment either weaken or strengthen the theory. So, for example, accurate observations of Mercury weakened the Newtonian theory of gravity since the predictions made by the theory didn't match the observations. Enter Einstein.

To date, all of the experiments and predictions made based on the current theory of evolution have only strengthened the theory, not weakened it. As others have mentioned, there are observations that could be made that would weaken it, but as of yet, those observations have not been made. As long as we keep testing Relativity, the Inflationary Theory (a much more accurate term than Big Bang), and the Theory of Evolution and they keep passing, we can accept these as being strong theories and models of reality.

Since the god of the bible has pretty much claimed that it can't be tested, as far as science goes, it is useless. Much like all of Hovind's theories.

God may not be testable but creation by divine fiat would have consequences that can be matched to observation. I think Jerry Coyne did a very good job in "Why evolution is true" in showing how poorly divine fiat fared as compared to evolution in regards to explanatory power. For this reason evolution is the best explantion for the the multiplicity of life forms we see around us while divine fiat has had its day.
 
Yes.

God created

or you came from a rock by accident.

Yes, I say God.
That's cute.

So has 154, satan's little helper, come back to show how ignorant, stupid and downright idiotic fundie-based Christianity makes people so that it drives people away his Jebus or does he actually have an actual criticism of the theory of evolution that is not based on his uneducated and ignorant delusions that he pretends is evolution?
 
Yes.

God created

or you came from a rock by accident.

Yes, I say God.

Congratulations. You have passed doubt and reason. You accept without questioning and have taken the concept of blind obedience to heart.
I'm surprised you still use a computer though. After all it costs money and doesn't the bible say somewhere that the truly pious live in poverty?
And that you should share with the poor?

In all seriousness though, what do you hope to achieve by just randomly shouting from time to time that science is evil and only god should be obeyed?
You present no arguments, no proof and no reasons why your particular religious subset it the One True Faith.

I personally find it far more comforting that life came to start through understandeble natural processes and that we evolved from there than that we were created by some petty or downright hateful god/pantheon that punishes humanity for its/their mistakes. In my worldview humanity may be flawed, but at least I accept the possibility that we can work on it and that we had best make the most of our lives ourselves rather than sit back and wait for some divine intervention to make it all better.
 
Just because I don't have any idea how it works and have no interest in examining it doesn't necessarily mean I think it is stupid. I have no idea how the Hubble Telescope works and have no interest in it but I don't think it is stupid.

And yet we're in your thread, named "100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)". If you don't think it's stupid, why have you been arguing this from page 1 ? Hopefully you won't be surprised when people think you're a troll.
 
The earth is a big rock, or a big speck of cosmic dust, upon which and from the marvelous complexity of life arose by random chance.

or, in other words,

you came from a rock by accident

Let's try that the other way around:

God is a fat, bearded man, from which the marvelous complexity of life arose by an arbitrary decision.

or, in other words,

you came from lard arbitrarily.


See ? It's fun to juggle words and make one's theory/beliefs/whatever look stupid. Resisting that urge and actually debating ? That's hard, and you don't have that kind of mettle, apparently.
 
The observation that most of the observable mass in the universe is moving away from our perspective is a fact.

Actually, that part isn't quite true. The observed fact is that things that appear to be further away from us tend to have a greater redshift. Cosmological expansion (note that it is not a simple Doppler shift as is commonly thought) is the best theory we have to explain that observation. But it's the redshift that is the observed fact, not the actual expansion, and there's no reason a better theory could not be found that could explain it without that expansion.

In any case, I think the most important observation in this thread is that it's in the Religion and Philosophy section. Evolution is science, not religion or philosophy. If you want to argue with it, you can never get anywhere merely by complaining about how silly it sounds, you have to argue the actual science. The fact that the thread was started in this section is enough to dismiss it out of hand.
 

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