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There's no evidence? Really?

Mr. Cactus, no doubt is going to present this evidence (of the gas chamber story that is) to us, finaly after 4000+ posts.

I find it very impressive that I've met so many people invested in this "conspiracy"

1.5 billion people have invested their life in the belief that Allah is all-powerful and the Muhamed is his prophet.

According to mr. Cactus' logic: hence it must be true.

But then what do I know? I still think Islamic Extremists did 9/11, I know right?

Cactus always believes 'the official story'. That's comfy. Saves one the trouble to have to think for himself.
 
Funny how poor J. got it all wrong and poor David therefore can't produce. I wonder if it refers to WO 309/2241 (Formerly 21Agp/37711/42/A(PS)) or something different. (And why the hell is he spelling the name wrong all the time? It's Franke-Gricksch.)

Excellent point Moss! It cannot be stressed enough that in battling these darned revisionists we at least have to get the name spelling right. Once the correct spelling is in place we almost have secured our victory!

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p261_Renk.html
 
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Mr. Cactus, no doubt is going to present this evidence (of the gas chamber story that is) to us, finaly after 4000+ posts.

The evidence I use is the testimony of the people I have met, 8 in all, only 2 have ever met each other, looking over their lives I have no reason to suspect that they are making it up, I am fine with the evidence of their testimony.

I am fine with Pliny the Younger telling me that Vesuvius erupted in 79A.D, his story corroborates with the stories of other people who think they have evidence it erupted then, I have no reason to suspect that they all made it up, I am fine with the evidence of their testimony.


1.5 billion people have invested their life in the belief that Allah is all-powerful and the Muhamed is his prophet.

According to mr. Cactus' logic: hence it must be true.

If all 1.5 billion people claim to have actually met Allah and Muhammad, then I would be more inclined to believe them.


Cactus always believes 'the official story'. That's comfy. Saves one the trouble to have to think for himself.

Thinking for oneself doesn't mean one is forbidden from following the 'official story', under that logic anyone who hasn't studied EVERYTHING in the observable universe does not deserve to be called a scientist.

I also follow Occam's Razor on this one, it's, unfortunately, far more likely that 6 million innocent people were killed in a horrid way, than for that to be a story, told by millions upon millions of people who all agreed to keep it a secret in order to ruin the image of Nazism.

Out of curiosity, do you deny the Anti-Semitism in pre-war Germany too? Kristallnacht and other incidents?

(Just so you know I don't believe in censorship and criminalising Holocaust Denial, at the same time I don't find that conspiracy theories ever tend to hold water, the arguments are much like Creationists against evolution.)

ETA - Actually what is your stance on most 'official' genocides? Rwanda, Darfur, Stalin's USSR, Mao's PRC, Armenia, Rape of Nanking?
Other than Mao's genocidal reign I've seen denialists for every other genocide on this list, what are your views on them?
 
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Excellent point Moss! It cannot be stressed enough that in battling these darned revisionists we at least have to get the name spelling right. Once the correct spelling is in place we almost have secured our victory!

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p261_Renk.html

I expect attention to details from a qualified historian. Among them the correct spelling of names on documents recently handled. Especially when said person is the author of the document.
 
Chaos apparently never heard of Zuendel, Irving, Varela, Rudolf, Graf, Mahler, Stolz, Verbeke and many many others.

Here a video from Dirk Zimmermann:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpvHukpD08

He was prosecuted because he had send a book by Germar Rudolf to the mayor of his town. That's the situation in Europe.

What's in a nick.

You are lying, as always.

None of them was punished for doubting the Holocaust. They were punished for spreading outright lies aimed at rehabilitating the monsters they worshipped.
 
The evidence I use is the testimony of the people I have met, 8 in all, only 2 have ever met each other, looking over their lives I have no reason to suspect that they are making it up, I am fine with the evidence of their testimony.

Would you care to share their testimony with us?

I am fine with Pliny the Younger telling me that Vesuvius erupted in 79A.D, his story corroborates with the stories of other people who think they have evidence it erupted then, I have no reason to suspect that they all made it up, I am fine with the evidence of their testimony.

Everybody is fine with Plinius. I visited Pompei in the seventies and saw the lava cover with my own eyes...

http://virtual.yosemite.cc.ca.us/ghayes/images/DSC00540 Pompei walls Vesuvius b.JPG

...and more importantly Plinius had no motive for lying in contrast to the Soviets and Americans. Europe ruled the world from 1492 until 1940. After 1945 the world was divided between the US and the USSR. These victors needed a story to justify this power shift to make themselves look good and worthy successors of European rule. Hence the 'holocaust'. WW2 was basically a fight between the qualitative higher Germanic 'Aryans' on the one hand and Eurotrash (Kosacs and Hillbillies) led by Jews on the other, the latter outnumbering the Germans vastly. This is admittedly a very simplyfied picture but in the core it is true. We all know the outcome. The Jews won and are in charge until this day using their proxy US as their tool to achieve world domination (NWO). This forum supports this NWO project.

But it will not work.

Russia escaped from the grip (thanks to Putin). Now you are on your own, together with Britain. Your are not winning (read losing) in Iraq and Afghanistan. The $ will soon implode, the US is in debt over their ears and wasted their industrial base. Good riddance to our 'benevolent hegemon'.

I also follow Occam's Razor on this one, it's, unfortunately, far more likely that 6 million innocent people were killed in a horrid way, than for that to be a story, told by millions upon millions of people who all agreed to keep it a secret in order to ruin the image of Nazism.

Absurd comparisson. The horror story was planted by the 70% Jews who ran the Nuremberg show trial. And apart from the Germans it was initially in everybodies interest to believe this story. But now it becomes clearer by the day that the H-word serves a political agenda.

Out of curiosity, do you deny the Anti-Semitism in pre-war Germany too? Kristallnacht and other incidents?

Kristallnacht ... Kristallnacht ... is that not the event were some 90 Jews were killed triggered by the killing of a popular German diplomat by a Jew in Paris?

I do not deny that the Germans did not want to undergo the same fate that the Russians had to endure under communism with millions slaughtered. For Germany it was either nationalism/nazism or communism. Tertium non datur. And since the Germans were and are far more intelligent then Americans (the latter after all being genetic offspring of the 'huddled masses'), the Germans understood very well who was behind communism and decided to do something about it and kick the Jews out of Europe. Americans in general are too stupid to understand who rules them until this day. It was the American population who was used as a tool to destroy Europe to serve Jewish interests (Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt, etc.). You understand that my sympathy for Americans is rather limited (and do not get me started about the Jews) and that I cannot wait to finish off 'the West' and return to a (this time) non-imperial but Euro-centric lifestyle in a Grossraum alliance Berlin-Moscow (and probably Paris inevitable added as the eternal spoiled child). But Germany and Russia/Ukraine are the core of this future 'Euro-Siberia'. The question is how to get rid of the Americans. The best for al parties involved would be an American internal uprising (color coded revolution, I am sure dudalb can come up with a suggestion for a vacant color) after even Americans understand who did 9/11. Visions of army veterans storming Washington arise. If the internal uprising does not occur than most likely WW3 will become inevitable, initiated by some Gulf of Tonkin-II false flag, maybe in Korea or the Middle East.

ETA - Actually what is your stance on most 'official' genocides? Rwanda, Darfur, Stalin's USSR, Mao's PRC, Armenia, Rape of Nanking?
Other than Mao's genocidal reign I've seen denialists for every other genocide on this list, what are your views on them?

All happened. And I do not deny that hundreds of thousands of Jews died during WW2. But the gas chamber story is pushing things a little bit too far.
 
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None of them was punished for doubting the Holocaust. They were punished for spreading outright lies aimed at rehabilitating the monsters they worshipped.

And what was the nature of these 'rehabilitating lies'?

That Dolfie brushed his teeth 3 times a day? Or had it something to do with the H-word after all?
 
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Golly, I thought I had killed this thread by my refusal to provide my email headers for the peanut gallery.

Just to lighten the mood here up a bit, this is photo is Holocaust related

majdanek2.jpg


Can anyone guess where it is from and what it represents?

Correct answers get an afternoon tea with David Irving.
 
Golly, I thought I had killed this thread by my refusal to provide my email headers for the peanut gallery.

Just to lighten the mood here up a bit, this is photo is Holocaust related

[qimg]http://littlegreyrabbit.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/majdanek2.jpg[/qimg]

Can anyone guess where it is from and what it represents?

Correct answers get an afternoon tea with David Irving.

Ah, coincidently I found an interesting new resource:

http://littlegreyrabbit.wordpress.com/

And then it is not difficult to solve LGR's riddle:

http://littlegreyrabbit.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/majdanek-the-beast-is-born-part-ii/

Excellent!

Not really interested though in having tea with Irving.
I prefer tea-parties of a more robust nature.
Soon in a theater near you.
 
And what was the nature of these 'rehabilitating lies'?
That the Holocaust never happened, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. As I said, transparent lies by a bunch of Nazi-worshipping scum.

The evidence is there, no matter what you claim. Reality is what it is.

Chaos manages to contradict himself in his posts #4125 and #4129.

What is it now... were the revisionists previously mentioned banged up for their holocaust beliefs, yes or no?
 
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And what was the nature of these 'rehabilitating lies'?

Chaos manages to contradict himself in his posts #4125 and #4129.

What is it now... were the revisionists previously mentioned banged up for their holocaust beliefs, yes or no?

No contradiction at all.

You claimed people were punished for "doubts".

There are no doubts. There are mountains of evidence for the Holocaust, and Nazi-worshipping scum who ignore said mountains of evidence. There are liars who know the Holocaust happened and still deny it, and Nazi worshippers who do not want to look at the evidence because they prefer the Holocaust to not have happened. What there is NOT, is anyone who honestly doubts the Holocaust after having seen the evidence.

And since Europe has had its experience with Nazi scum, we´d rather make sure we don´t get another one, so your dishonest whining will not produce results.
 
Would you care to share their testimony with us?

Sure thing, my great-great-uncle lived in Rivne (Ukraine) and lived peacefully until 1943, when soldiers burst into his home and took him away. He was placed in the local town jail for about 3 days before being taken to Majdanek where he worked until the Red Army liberated the camp. He told me about working in the camp and looking up to see trucks unloading people who would be herded into a large building. He said that about 20 minutes after the people were all placed in the building, soldiers would open the doors and drag bodies out, some were moved to another building for cremation, many others were dragged to open graves that he himself helped to dig.

He also saw people shot by firing squad, but this was earlier in the time he was there.

Majdanek is one of the best preserved WW2 camps left and provides most of the evidence that these gas killings occurred.

(On a side note, he actually liked people like you, he saw it as a sign that the fear that the Nazi's created was finally disappearing)

Everybody is fine with Plinius. I visited Pompei in the seventies and saw the lava cover with my own eyes...

I may be reading the wrong way, but if you need observational evidence in order to believe something is true, I recommend you look at the thread called something like "The professor and the Christian", it explains the flaws of that way of thinking.


...and more importantly Plinius had no motive for lying in contrast to the Soviets and Americans. Europe ruled the world from 1492 until 1940. After 1945 the world was divided between the US and the USSR. These victors needed a story to justify this power shift to make themselves look good and worthy successors of European rule. Hence the 'holocaust'. WW2 was basically a fight between the qualitative higher Germanic 'Aryans' on the one hand and Eurotrash (Kosacs and Hillbillies) led by Jews on the other, the latter outnumbering the Germans vastly. This is admittedly a very simplyfied picture but in the core it is true. We all know the outcome. The Jews won and are in charge until this day using their proxy US as their tool to achieve world domination (NWO). This forum supports this NWO project.

One could argue that seeing as the Nazi's started WW2, the victors didn't need a reason to justify their war, they didn't start it. Given the way the war went, it's not like Hitler surrendered to leave any type of unified Germany left.

Also I fail to see how Judaism had any effect on the Soviet Union, who you curiously left out of the equation.

Also the closest we got to any form of NWO is the U.N. which was designed specifically to limit itself from becoming any more powerful than it already is (whether that is a good or bad thing is for another thread.)

But it will not work.

Russia escaped from the grip (thanks to Putin). Now you are on your own, together with Britain. Your are not winning (read losing) in Iraq and Afghanistan. The $ will soon implode, the US is in debt over their ears and wasted their industrial base. Good riddance to our 'benevolent hegemon'.

Er okay. I am from England btw, I can see how the U.S is losing power, but I fail to see how we and America are on our own, Britain's relations with Europe have never been stronger.

Absurd comparisson. The horror story was planted by the 70% Jews who ran the Nuremberg show trial. And apart from the Germans it was initially in everybodies interest to believe this story. But now it becomes clearer by the day that the H-word serves a political agenda.

For what? What agenda? For Jews to run the world? Eh?
and I'm still impressed that none of these Jews felt a conflict on interest for any time in the rest of their lives to admit their lie. I'm also impressed that they convinced so many people to make up 'dead' family members.

Kristallnacht ... Kristallnacht ... is that not the event were some 90 Jews were killed triggered by the killing of a popular German diplomat by a Jew in Paris?

Yes, but if you are trying to use some sort of 'Collective Responsibility' as an excuse for Kristallnacht, I do worry for you.

I do not deny that the Germans did not want to undergo the same fate that the Russians had to endure under communism with millions slaughtered. For Germany it was either nationalism/nazism or communism. Tertium non datur. And since the Germans were and are far more intelligent then Americans (the latter after all being genetic offspring of the 'huddled masses'), the Germans understood very well who was behind communism and decided to do something about it and kick the Jews out of Europe. Americans in general are too stupid to understand who rules them until this day. It was the American population who was used as a tool to destroy Europe to serve Jewish interests (Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt, etc.). You understand that my sympathy for Americans is rather limited (and do not get me started about the Jews) and that I cannot wait to finish off 'the West' and return to a (this time) non-imperial but Euro-centric lifestyle in a Grossraum alliance Berlin-Moscow (and probably Paris inevitable added as the eternal spoiled child). But Germany and Russia/Ukraine are the core of this future 'Euro-Siberia'. The question is how to get rid of the Americans. The best for al parties involved would be an American internal uprising (color coded revolution, I am sure dudalb can come up with a suggestion for a vacant color) after even Americans understand who did 9/11. Visions of army veterans storming Washington arise. If the internal uprising does not occur than most likely WW3 will become inevitable, initiated by some Gulf of Tonkin-II false flag, maybe in Korea or the Middle East.

Er, okay, return to a non-imperial German/Russian Euro-centric lifestyle?

How many centuries going back are we talking about here?

Where do you live? Outside of certain parts of Britain and certain parts of Germany, there is not as much American influence in Europe as you think.

Unless you are talking about the economy, in which case the most likely outcome is America being overtaken by China, which won't change much for us in terms of having more economic control.

All happened. And I do not deny that hundreds of thousands of Jews died during WW2. But the gas chamber story is pushing things a little bit too far.

Wait, so killing hundreds of thousands is fine enough, but if they kill them a certain way, that's horrific?

Gas chambers were one of the best methods for mass killing available at the time, you stand far less chance of the executioners suffering mental or physical problems, like you would with say firing squads. The whole system was principally designed to stop German soldiers getting things like Typhus.

People talk about the gas chambers when talking about the holocaust, as that was the method used. They aren't lamenting the fact there were gas chambers, more the fact that so many people were killed in such an 'emotionless' cold hearted way.

ETA- Another few questions to end on: Do you believe completely that the holocaust never happened, do you feel that the image of Nazism and Aryan Germans would be better today had the holocaust not happened and would you rather have had (hypothetically) more or less Jews killed in WW2?
 
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No contradiction at all.

You claimed people were punished for "doubts".

No I did not. The word 'doubt' originated from a quote from Paul Craig Roberts. But you are nitpicking. We both seem to agree that all these people mentioned were thrown into jail because they had beliefs regarding the H-word that Chaos does not like. Right?

There are no doubts. There are mountains of evidence for the Holocaust, and Nazi-worshipping scum who ignore said mountains of evidence. There are liars who know the Holocaust happened and still deny it, and Nazi worshippers who do not want to look at the evidence because they prefer the Holocaust to not have happened. What there is NOT, is anyone who honestly doubts the Holocaust after having seen the evidence.

To the neutral passerby: this is how a True Believer like Chaos operates. Bragging about 'mountains of evidence' without making the slightest effort in presenting this evidence. He had more than enough opportunity to present this evidence but he failed to do so. Chaos is a holocaust fundamentalist.
 
Sure thing, my great-great-uncle lived in Rivne (Ukraine) and lived peacefully until 1943, when soldiers burst into his home and took him away. He was placed in the local town jail for about 3 days before being taken to Majdanek where he worked until the Red Army liberated the camp. He told me about working in the camp and looking up to see trucks unloading people who would be herded into a large building. He said that about 20 minutes after the people were all placed in the building, soldiers would open the doors and drag bodies out, some were moved to another building for cremation, many others were dragged to open graves that he himself helped to dig.

He also saw people shot by firing squad, but this was earlier in the time he was there.

Majdanek is one of the best preserved WW2 camps left and provides most of the evidence that these gas killings occurred.

These words are easily typed. In post #4110 I gave you a simple scientific criterium to establish the truth or falsehood regarding the H-word once and for all. I cannot believe that it is possible to kill millions in gas chambers without a single photograph made of a heap of gassed people in a gaschamber. Many Germans had camera's at the time.


One could argue that seeing as the Nazi's started WW2, the victors didn't need a reason to justify their war, they didn't start it. Given the way the war went, it's not like Hitler surrendered to leave any type of unified Germany left.

You are misinformed. It was victor USSR who in 1939 together with Germany swallowed Poland (a country created in during WW1) restoring the pre-1914 situation. It was in this situation that Britain declared war on Germany but tellingly NOT on the USSR. Germany never wanted war with Britain (race and stuff), it was Britain who really escalated the conflict as Patrick Buchanan points out in his latest book " Churchill, Hitler, and The Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World". Britain aimed for nothing less than the destruction of Germany and succeeded in it (destroying itself in the process) and handed Europe over to Americans and. Or more precisely it was Chamberlain who made the terrible mistake of handing out a blanc cheque to the Poles that Britain would come to their aid regardless what the Poles would do in the Danzig situation. But it was Churchill (bought and paid for by Jewish financials circles in London and probably Jewish himself) who really aimed for the destruction of Germany, totally against the interest of Britain itself. No wonder that a lot of the British establishment including the Royals hated Churchill. Britain was basically hijacked and destroyed by this half-American hooligan.

Er okay. I am from England btw, I can see how the U.S is losing power, but I fail to see how we and America are on our own, Britain's relations with Europe have never been stronger.

America (by means of it's Jewish ruling class) is openly aiming for world domination. On it's own. But by opposing China, Russia and Iran it is taking too much hay on it's fork (not mentioning it's desastrous immigration policy). We in Europe only have to wait for the moment America is committing suicide somewhere in this decade and to abandon our former colony turned into our destroyer, first in Versailles, later in Berlin. Maybe if the America is lucky we are going to recolonise it again. But we are not making promisses here.

For what? What agenda? For Jews to run the world? Eh?
and I'm still impressed that none of these Jews felt a conflict on interest for any time in the rest of their lives to admit their lie. I'm also impressed that they convinced so many people to make up 'dead' family members.

To this day still some million 'holocaust survivors' are at large. I am not going to repreat what ma Finkelstein has to say about this fact.

Yes, but if you are trying to use some sort of 'Collective Responsibility' as an excuse for Kristallnacht, I do worry for you.

I am completely uninterested in moral judgments, just in reconstructing what happened. The fact that the Kristallnacht was triggered by the killing of a German diplomat by a Jew is NEVER EVER mentioned.

Er, okay, return to a non-imperial German/Russian Euro-centric lifestyle? How many centuries going back are we talking about here?

Euro-Siberia is a total new concept.

Where do you live? Outside of certain parts of Britain and certain parts of Germany, there is not as much American influence in Europe as you think.

Every home has a television with incessant American (Jewish) propaganda.

Unless you are talking about the economy, in which case the most likely outcome is America being overtaken by China, which won't change much for us in terms of having more economic control.

Not going to happen. The industrial age is coming to an end soon. The world is running out of oil and other resources. The world is going to be very big again. Globalization will land on the scrapheap of history.

Gas chambers were one of the best methods for mass killing available at the time, you stand far less chance of the executioners suffering mental or physical problems, like you would with say firing squads. The whole system was principally designed to stop German soldiers getting things like Typhus.

The idea of gaschambers is ridiculous. The idea is to put hundreds of people in a room, throw pellets of Zyklon-B through a hole in the roof and after 20 minutes everybody is dead. Next a bunch of kapo's merily enter the room and start the difficult task of dragging these bodies away to the crematorium. For some mysterious reason these kapo's were immune for the Zyklon-B!

ETA- Another few questions to end on: Do you believe completely that the holocaust never happened

I am inclined to believe that there was no extermination program. I am here in this thread to investigate the H-word and from what I hear from my opponents after 4000+ posts this belief is hardened. You are unable to convince me. I do not care about Nazism, but I do care about Germans, Europeans and European civilization. The H-word is used to destroy European civilization (either in Europe and in North-America). We are supposed to hand over this magnificent continent to third world invaders otherwise we are accused of being 'racists' and inevitable references to Auschwitz follow. The H-word constitute the crown jewels of the left and their neo-marxist ideology as formulated by the Frankfurter Schule (all Jews).

do you feel that the image of Nazism and Aryan Germans would be better today had the holocaust not happened

It is not just Germans, it is the Euro-Americans as well who are targeted on a daily basis by the Jewish controlled media and Hollywood.

and would you rather have had (hypothetically) more or less Jews killed in WW2?

This is not a very innocent question. First of all Jews always get stronger after pogroms. The smart ones see the tide rising in advance and flee, leaving the duller, poorer and more harmless ones ('Anne Frank') at the mercy of the persecutors. In end effect the Jewish community gets smaller but the average IQ rises making them in end effect more influential in (and thus dangerous for) their 'host populations'. Any society is made/run by a few thousand people in government, media, think tanks, banks, labour unions, etc.. The rest constitutes merely the tax base. So it does not really matter how large the Jewish community is, 5 or 9 million in the US. The top stratum is innundated with Jews (listen to the recorded conversations between Nixon and Graham to get the picture). Reason: high IQ and collectivistic mind set. The highly individualistic 'Aryans' will always be outmanouvered by them, until the 'Aryans' remember that the maybe they have less average IQ-points but still have more fists. It is a little bit embarrassing to have to admit that but this is basically the pattern of Jewish/Gentile interaction through the ages. Ah well, I will read it all in the newspaper when the next chapter of this sad story will unfold, this time in the US. So to answer your question: no I am not glad that maybe 200-500,000 Jews got killed during WW2. It were not they who were dangerous, it is the International Jew who is dangerous: the media moguls, the journalists, the think tanks, the philosophers, the banksters. The Jews know best how to murder a nation: they showed it in Katyn Forest were Beria ordered the killing of the entire Polish elite. They did the same in Russia and the Ukraine leaving Eastern-Europa as the depressed place it is today. Only dull small people left, no elite let alone an aristocracy.
 
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These words are easily typed. In post #4110 I gave you a simple scientific criterium to establish the truth or falsehood regarding the H-word once and for all. I cannot believe that it is possible to kill millions in gas chambers without a single photograph made of a heap of gassed people in a gaschamber. Many Germans had camera's at the time.

Why would a German soldier photograph a gas chamber filled with bodies? It's not like the German public was aware of what was going on. It's not like finding out would help the war effort anyway whatsoever. It's not like the camps were run principally by the goddamn SS, who wouldn't exactly be to stringent on security on such matters. Hell there may even have been photographs at one point, the Nazi's made extreme efforts to destroy as much as possible once they knew things were going the wrong way.

(Also, you merely asked for the testimony I was told, I don't see what attacking that accomplishes.)

You are misinformed. It was victor USSR who in 1939 together with Germany swallowed Poland (a country created in during WW1) restoring the pre-1914 situation.

Germany invaded on the 1st, USSR on the 17th. I dislike Stalin-ism as much as Nazism, but Hitler struck first. Technically, you could call re-militarising the Rhineland as an act of war as well. (That said pulling this thread further back in time would go off topic, but if we stick to Hitler's Germany, it struck first.)

It was in this situation that Britain declared war on Germany but tellingly NOT on the USSR.

Ask any military historian whether the commonwealth could have taken the Soviet Union in pre WW2 Europe. They'll laugh. The USSR suffered the highest casualties and still managed to win, not to say they were unstoppable, but a unified Europe would do far better than one dissolving into war.

Let's not also forget that the strategy in Europe was originally to stop Communism, some calling for principally using Hitler and the Nazi's. It was obvious that something like Operation Barbarossa would have come about, declaring war on both ran the risk of uniting them. It's not like western Europe was well enough armed to even fight Germany alone at this point.

Germany never wanted war with Britain (race and stuff), it was Britain who really escalated the conflict as Patrick Buchanan points out in his latest book " Churchill, Hitler, and The Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World". Britain aimed for nothing less than the destruction of Germany and succeeded in it (destroying itself in the process) and handed Europe over to Americans and. Or more precisely it was Chamberlain who made the terrible mistake of handing out a blanc cheque to the Poles that Britain would come to their aid regardless what the Poles would do in the Danzig situation. But it was Churchill (bought and paid for by Jewish financials circles in London and probably Jewish himself) who really aimed for the destruction of Germany, totally against the interest of Britain itself. No wonder that a lot of the British establishment including the Royals hated Churchill. Britain was basically hijacked and destroyed by this half-American hooligan.

Of course Britain escalated it, it was trying to stop the spread of Hitler and the Nazi's, also the British Empire was in a severe downfall ever since WW1, WW2 merely sped things up. Also Churchill didn't hate Germany, he just saw them as the enemy, thus he was the one to come up with Operation Unthinkable, the plan to reactivate the German Army to strike the USSR whilst it was nursing its wounds. Churchill was hated by many, yeah, mainly because he really wasn't that good a politician, what he was was a symbol, a source of moral which we badly needed at some points. He lost the election just weeks after the war ended.

Also I laughed at the highlighted bit.

America (by means of it's Jewish ruling class) is openly aiming for world domination. On it's own. But by opposing China, Russia and Iran it is taking too much hay on it's fork (not mentioning it's desastrous immigration policy). We in Europe only have to wait for the moment America is committing suicide somewhere in this decade and to abandon our former colony turned into our destroyer, first in Versailles, later in Berlin. Maybe if the America is lucky we are going to recolonise it again. But we are not making promisses here.

Er, okay, this may even happen, well, not the recolonise part, but the rest maybe.

To this day still some million 'holocaust survivors' are at large. I am not going to repreat what ma Finkelstein has to say about this fact.

Curiously enough, he thinks the holocaust happened, he merely has the same Isreal-NWO theory that you (I think) have.

I am completely uninterested in moral judgments, just in reconstructing what happened. The fact that the Kristallnacht was triggered by the killing of a German diplomat by a Jew is NEVER EVER mentioned.

Except in textbooks. They give it as the reason it kicked off. Yeah he was a Jew, but that makes for no real reason to defend Kristallnacht.

Euro-Siberia is a total new concept.

You were the one who said 'return'.

Every home has a television with incessant American (Jewish) propaganda.

Every home has a television with incessant Islamic, Christian, Nationalistic propagandas, its called a t.v channel. If one's owned by Jews then it's owned by Jews, I take it you are assuming that they are sticking hidden pro-Zionist messages everywhere? You could easily prove that certain programmes have a pro-jewish message, just as you could prove that certain programmes have an anti-jewish message. If anyone is in control of television, it's the people, they don't like it, they'll change the channel.

Not going to happen. The industrial age is coming to an end soon. The world is running out of oil and other resources. The world is going to be very big again. Globalization will land on the scrapheap of history.

Assuming that we do not prepare in any way for this eventuality, which we are already doing. With the exception of some catastrophic nuclear war, I don't see how Globalization can possibly collapse.

The idea of gaschambers is ridiculous. The idea is to put hundreds of people in a room, throw pellets of Zyklon-B through a hole in the roof and after 20 minutes everybody is dead. Next a bunch of kapo's merily enter the room and start the difficult task of dragging these bodies away to the crematorium. For some mysterious reason these kapo's were immune for the Zyklon-B!

Okay. Look at executions by gas chamber in the U.S. Look at chemical agents, the sort of technology needed has been in existence since before WW1. H-C(triple bond)N, the infamous Zyklon-B, is a very reactive substance (hence why it is so lethal), a simple water shower would dissolve and carry away any remaining gas in a few short minutes. You'd still have cyanide residue on the walls and floor (curiously enough, this is found in the ruins of gas chambers), but as long as the soldiers didn't lick the walls or floor they wouldn't suffer anything. One could also merely pump the gas out, so that it could be used again, the Nazi's were sticklers for efficiency.

I am inclined to believe that there was no extermination program. I am here in this thread to investigate the H-word and from what I hear from my opponents after 4000+ posts this belief is hardened. You are unable to convince me. I do not care about Nazism, but I do care about Germans, Europeans and European civilization. The H-word is used to destroy European civilization (either in Europe and in North-America). We are supposed to hand over this magnificent continent to third world invaders otherwise we are accused of being 'racists' and inevitable references to Auschwitz follow. The H-word constitute the crown jewels of the left and their neo-marxist ideology as formulated by the Frankfurter Schule (all Jews).

Waiiit, are we talking about the Islamification Problem? Because that's the closest we can come to talking about "third world invaders". Also you seem to think Europe needs to feel guilty about it. Yes it was a terrible thing, but nearly everyone who ever perpetrated it is now dead. I hear nothing (in Europe) about trying to exterminate populations any more (except, curiously, all the "Death to those who insult Islam" business).

It is not just Germans, it is the Euro-Americans as well who are targeted on a daily basis by the Jewish controlled media and Hollywood.

Boom, you got it in one at the end there. Hollywood. Hollywood is there to make America look good, hence why they are always the ones in WW2 films to be the victors, saving camps and the like. It's called artistic license. Would you try and stop everybody from trying to bend the truth for the sake of entertainment? You'd have a long job ahead of you.

This is not a very innocent question.
I know, but there we go, it's just you were talking about overthrowing the Jewish controlled order and I wanted to see your reaction to a question like this.

First of all Jews always get stronger after pogroms. The smart ones see the tide rising in advance and flee, leaving the duller, poorer and more harmless ones ('Anne Frank') at the mercy of the persecutors. In end effect the Jewish community gets smaller but the average IQ rises making them in end effect more influential in (and thus dangerous for) their 'host populations'.

The same can be said of any group who has a similar situation, but yeah I kind of see your point, the intelligent and/or rich will generally survive.
(That's kind of obvious)

Any society is made/run by a few thousand people in government, media, think tanks, banks, labour unions, etc.. The rest constitutes merely the tax base. So it does not really matter how large the Jewish community is, 5 or 9 million in the US. The top stratum is innundated with Jews (listen to the recorded conversations between Nixon and Graham to get the picture). Reason: high IQ and collectivistic mind set.

Eugenics is very shady on details at its best, but you probably know full well that any sort of intelligence or mental patterns are around 95% due to background growing up, not your birthright.

The highly individualistic 'Aryans' will always be outmanouvered by them, until the 'Aryans' remember that the maybe they have less average IQ-points but still have more fists. It is a little bit embarrassing to have to admit that but this is basically the pattern of Jewish/Gentile interaction through the ages. Ah well, I will read it all in the newspaper when the next chapter of this sad story will unfold, this time in the US.

I'll ignore the fact that there only seem to be 2 races in your mind. You do talk in a very prophetic way, it gives the impression that the evidence for all your arguments lies in the future and we will have to wait till then to see if you are right. It's not an easy way to have a debate.

So to answer your question: no I am not glad that maybe 200-500,000 Jews got killed during WW2. It were not they who were dangerous, it is the International Jew who is dangerous: the media moguls, the journalists, the think tanks, the philosophers, the banksters. The Jews know best how to murder a nation: they showed it in Katyn Forest were Beria ordered the killing of the entire Polish elite. They did the same in Russia and the Ukraine leaving Eastern-Europa as the depressed place it is today. Only dull small people left, no elite let alone an aristocracy.

So you are anti-elite, rather than anti-jewish then? You hate a large group of people in power with similarities more than any specific group itself. That's actually kind of comforting. Also, why the hell are you implying that the NKVD is Jewish? You might as well call Stalin Jewish.
 
No I did not.

You quoted it because you considered it something other than anti-semitic Nazi-worshipping lies - because you considered it the truth. Quit trying to weasel out of admitting what you believe.

The word 'doubt' originated from a quote from Paul Craig Roberts. But you are nitpicking. We both seem to agree that all these people mentioned were thrown into jail because they had beliefs regarding the H-word that Chaos does not like. Right?

Could not be more wrong. If you think these people were jailed for breaking a law which prohibits deliberately spreading lies to make the victims of one of the 20th century´s worst crimes look evil, and its perpetrators look good, then we agree. Otherwise, not so much.

To the neutral passerby: this is how a True Believer like Chaos operates. Bragging about 'mountains of evidence' without making the slightest effort in presenting this evidence.

I and other have presented said evidence over and over and *********** over again for the last 65 years. It´s not our fault that slimy, pathologically dishonest Nazi-worshipping scum keeps sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "la la la, I´m not listening".

He had more than enough opportunity to present this evidence but he failed to do so. Chaos is a holocaust fundamentalist.

You have no evidence. You have no single shred of honesty in you. You don´t have a single shred of honor or decency. All that counts for you is lying in the service of a bunch of monsters.
 
Not only does TSR a lousy job in peddling his H-word beliefs, he also has no idea what he is talking about regarding the legal situation in Europe regarding the H-word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial
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Which article mentions 7 such European laws. How many countries are there in Europe?

More than 15?

No, more like 50.

So the claim that "most of Europe" criminalizes denial is shown to be false, just as I said.

And 9/11 is a liar, just as I said.

Who relies on other liars, who have been convicted of lying, some multiple times.

Such is the epitome of denial "scholarship."
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Which article mentions 7 such European laws. How many countries are there in Europe?

More than 15?

No, more like 50.

So the claim that "most of Europe" criminalizes denial is shown to be false, just as I said.

And 9/11 is a liar, just as I said.

Who relies on other liars, who have been convicted of lying, some multiple times.

Such is the epitome of denial "scholarship."
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tries to bend the facts to fit his dubious theories.

Unfortunately for TSR, the EU has some 27 countries, not 50. What is far more important is that the most important and largest countries, Germany and France, have strict anti-holocaust/genocide denial laws. Other big countries like Poland, Romania and Spain have them as well. Combined with other countries like Hungary, Austria (Irving!), Belgium, Czech Republic, Portugal, Switzerland we can safely say that more than half of the European population is subjected to these laws.

Meaning that most of Europe criminalizes holocaust denial.
As stated before.
 
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TSR, foam on his lips, like a wounded /animal, tries to bend the facts to fit his dubious theories.

Unfortunately for TSR, the EU has some 27 countries, not 50. What is far more important is that the most important and largest countries, Germany and France, have strict anti-holocaust/genocide denial laws. Other big countries like Poland, Romania and Spain have them as well. Combined with other countries like Hungary, Austria (Irving!), Belgium, Czech Republic, Portugal, Switzerland we can safely say that more than half of the European population is subjected to these laws.

Meaning that most of Europe criminalizes holocaust denial.
As stated before.
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Unfortunately for 9/11, the EU is not the entirety of Europe, nor was the question of population the subject of the lie zie told. Zie has also moved to goalposts by including generic genocide denial laws to inflate zir numbers and apparently zir ego, which explains the personal attack.

The quotation, as suppiled, is a falsehood on the part of 9/11, and zir current tapdancing attempt to change what it said shows that zie know it.

Let's take a look at the original quote age, shall we:

"Most of Europe has already criminalized doubting the Holocaust. It is a crime even to confirm that it happened but to conclude that less than 6 million Jews were murdered."
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None of the cited laws outlaw doubt, most do not mention the Holocaust, nor are any specific numbers mentioned in any of them.

The quote is not limited to members of the EU, not contingent on population numbers, nor is it a broad statement about genocide.

It is a knowing untruth for 9/11 to repeatedly try to suggest otherwise. Rational people understand that telling such untruths is called lying, and is generally frowned upon in polite society.

While lame attempts to twist reality are all that deniers have, rarely are we offered such a blatant and easily proven example.
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