100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)

[Olowkow]

That was quite a well thought and detailed answer.
That you dismiss on face value, do not ever consider it is quite insulting to X's efforts.
Mostly, however, your willful ignorance is quite sad. There is so much beauty to discover and understand in nature that it is a terrible waste to forsake the loom that weave it all together.

I am sure that, if you ever mention that post, it would be through some kind of tu quoque but, you know what? I don't care. I not going wasting my time with people that are not only demonstrably wrong, but also refuse to learn and can't even make an actual argument.

What he said.


ETA: 154's response is just stunning. For me it's a show stopper. It is proof that there is no desire to learn.

 

[Simon39759]

Well a proto-horse has yielded a whale.
http://palaeo.gly.bris.ac.uk/Palaeofiles/whales/archaeoceti.htm

And everyone has seen a fish yield a proto-frog. Tiiktaaliik anyone?

Actually, the jury is back out again about Tiiktaalik (ha the wonders of the self-connectedness of science!).

 

[154]

Okay. So?
Was your irrational and basically useless attribution of reality to a fantasy suppose to accomplish anything besides your selfish mental masturbation?

Can I stop now? Do you get it now?

Do you understand that wishing something to be true doesn't really make it true, in spite of how Most Awesome your imagination makes it?

Do you know how many mutations there are between you and the genetic code of your parents?

So do you actually have any criticisms of the theory of evolution or are you just out the air your ignorance and delusions...about everything so far?
So do you have any actual criticisms yet?
The actual number cannot be answered until you actual state what mutations in what species you are talking about...or are you just regurgitating something you read but don't understand as usual?

Why do you ask?
Surely you are not going to claim that because most mutations are disadvantageous, advantageous ones are also disadvantageous?

So do you have an actual criticism of evolution yet that is not based on your ignorance and delusions?

Whatever makes you think there is one?

Would you like to present more of your ignorance for all to see?

Do you believe your understanding of evolution to be the same as David Henson's, greater than his, or less than his?

Yes there is none. Since there is none, what is there to reject except the delusional ranting of some ignorant nutters who don't even understand what they are talking about?

Do our Creaotards have actual criticisms of the Theory of Evolution or are they just busy attacking their own ignorance and exceptionally stupid version of it?

So how do you explain Richard Lenski's results. Its pretty obvious that the mutations that he observed resulted in a population of bacteria being able to process a source of food that they don't normally utilize and is one of the defining traits of said species of bacteria.

Are you skeptical of gravity? Magnetism?

Okay. So?
Was your irrational and basically useless attribution of reality to a fantasy suppose to accomplish anything besides your selfish mental masturbation?

Can I stop now? Do you get it now?

Do you understand that wishing something to be true doesn't really make it true, in spite of how Most Awesome your imagination makes it?

Do you know how many mutations there are between you and the genetic code of your parents?

So do you actually have any criticisms of the theory of evolution or are you just out the air your ignorance and delusions...about everything so far?
So do you have any actual criticisms yet?
The actual number cannot be answered until you actual state what mutations in what species you are talking about...or are you just regurgitating something you read but don't understand as usual?

Why do you ask?
Surely you are not going to claim that because most mutations are disadvantageous, advantageous ones are also disadvantageous?

So do you have an actual criticism of evolution yet that is not based on your ignorance and delusions?

Whatever makes you think there is one?

Would you like to present more of your ignorance for all to see?

Do you believe your understanding of evolution to be the same as David Henson's, greater than his, or less than his?

Yes there is none. Since there is none, what is there to reject except the delusional ranting of some ignorant nutters who don't even understand what they are talking about?

Do our Creaotards have actual criticisms of the Theory of Evolution or are they just busy attacking their own ignorance and exceptionally stupid version of it?

So how do you explain Richard Lenski's results. Its pretty obvious that the mutations that he observed resulted in a population of bacteria being able to process a source of food that they don't normally utilize and is one of the defining traits of said species of bacteria.

Are you skeptical of gravity? Magnetism?

What does it matter? It's irrelevant to the discussion of evolution.
Why aren't you skeptical of gravity or magnetism? Can you provide scientific alternatives?

I'm sorry. Your delusion does not jive with reality. There is no current alternative to evolution. Would you care to present one? Any?
Are you sure you understand the topic being discussed or is it based on your continued proud stupidity and ignorance?
Do you have a valid criticism? Any?
Yes. You are stupid.
Would you please present some valid criticisms or are you continuing to prove how ignorance and stupid you are?

Do you have an actual criticism of evolution?

Yooohooo.... I asked a question. Never did get a response. I got an sarcastic admission of stupidity but that wasn't what I wanted.

So instead of saying "we don't know yet," you say God did it.
And I ask again, what does that have to do with evolution?

So what is the "scientifically" tenable alternative to the theory of gravity?

There are several valid hypotheses at present but none can answer this question.
You seem to have an answer. Would you care to present the data and hypotheses for review here?

What mechanism does this "god" produce the the variation in life on earth?
What evidence do you have to support this hypothesis?

which one?

Do you have evidence for this hypothesis?
Also, The answer to 'I don't know' is *not* 'god'.

I asked you. So.. Then.. Gravity is as invalid as Evolution in your mind?
Do you hold to Intelligent falling, or Intelligent Holding Things Down?

So if you aren't aware of any, why aren't you dismissing it like you are dismissing evolution? Why isn't GOD the source of gravity? Magnetism?

Do you believe women are a different species? Or is it because of your religious indoctrination towards male chauvinism that makes you say things like that?

Would you care to present the actual hypothesis and actual evidence that would be a valid alternative to evolution?

Why has 154 not answered this simple question yet?
Why has 123 abandoned his mutation argument?
Why has 987 not presented a single criticism of the actual Theory of Evolution yet?

Please define "micro-evolution" and "macro-evolution" and "species" as you are using it.
Be exact. Since you have been ignorant and wrong on multiple occasion, one can assume that you are not using the actual scientific definitions of these terms. Once that has been done so as to prevent your likely cowardly attempt to move the goalpost, evidence can be presented.

Fossil records? Genetics?

Ok how about quantum mechanics.
PS:
Lets just corner 154 on one question. So far he's proven that he can't even any question .

I'm sorry, do you have an actual criticism of the Theory of Evolution or are you going to continue to show how ignorant, stupid and dishonest you are?
Still waiting for a mechanism for this "god" hypothesis for the variation in life on Earth and the evidence you seem to have.

That's what we're asking. I'll ask you again, how many mutations do you think there are between you and your parents.

ftfy. Would you disagree with my correction?

I'm sorry.
Have you defined a "species", "micro/macro evolution" or your Creatard "kind" yet?
People can't answer your question if you don't even understand what you are asking.

How many mutations do you think there are between your parents and you?
How do you know? Define macro-evolution first. Unless you define it, how can we decide if it's occurred?
And I write that entire post, and that's your only response? I make many points, ask many questions, and you ignore it all? Is that you you want to be treated, that you treat others that way?

Has anyone notice a complete and utter lack of answers from 154?
So many questions based on his own ignorance and lack of education; but no answers at all.

Just out of curiosity since I'm trying to reconcile the fact that you somehow think that mutations are always harmful and not beneficial do you accept things "micro-evolve" (Quoted because its a creationist term)? If so why did you try claiming that mutations can not "add in useful information?

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[Tricky]

Be careful ... you're getting close to one of the mistakes David is making. A "sheep" didn't evolve into a "goat".

Goats and Sheep have a common ancestor just as other apes and humans have a common ancestor (just as goats and sheep and humans have a common ancestor). A common mistake creationists make - on purpose or not - is to say that evolution implies that existing species are evolving into other existing species. Of course, they aren't and "the theory of evolution" doesn't say they are.

-- Roger

I know that. I'm just trying to jog him into reality. Evolution does not say a sheep "changed into" anything or that anything "changed into" a sheep, but at one time there were creatures that might have been called "sheep" or "goats" (depending on who was doing the labeling) and those common ancestors "changed" into what we presently call sheep or goats. Much of this is clear in the fossil record, but some folks need to be led by the hand.

 

[Sledge]

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Well, that's won me over. Sorry guys, your "science" stuff is wacky and all, but it doesn't hold a candle to the power of an ellipsis. God made everything, there is no evolution, Dubya did 9/11, light bulbs are invisible and alien blimps from beyond the boundaries of what we call reality regularly visit Earth. My life has been a lie until this point.

 

[Olowkow]

... My life has been a lie until this point.

The dots did it huh? My uncle had the same thing happen. he tripped on a comma.

 

[RoboTimbo]

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This was probably the least ridiculous thing you've said in this thread. Keep up the good work.

 

[John Jones]

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That was impresssive.
Not a single point answered.

 

[Olowkow]

That was impresssive.
Not a single point answered.

Could it be "pwned"?

 

[excaza]

Maybe it was an attempt to show what posts he's actually reading?

 

[John Jones]

Maybe it was an attempt to show what posts he's actually reading?

And the ones he can't answer?

 

[excaza]

And the ones he can't answer?

Well there are plenty more of those that he also left out, so I dunno

 

[slingblade]

So, where's part 2 of 11?

 

[154]

You did not come from a rock by accident.

There is a God that you are answerable to.

He is not your enemy unless you make Him so.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Far from thinking it is "not incredible," "they" think God doing it is Most Awesome.
Meanwhile, you believe all the magnificence of life is a meaningless and purposeless cosmic accident.

I've never understood this one. I mean, at the bottom I suppose I can, if I try to view it from the Creationist point of view of life being just a construct, a bit like a computer simulation or LEGO town or something. But personally, I view everything as far more magnificent than I would if the answer to it all was just "oh, see, this god got bored one day and snapped His fingers, and here we are".

As for the "meaningless" part, I would personally be absolutely terrified if I found out that life had meaning. The idea of me being here for some pre-determined reason, with pre-set superior objectives that I had to meet, and one or more creatures or forces or laws of nature or whatever secretly pulling strings and judging my every move, statement and even thought. I would feel like Leo in the Matrix, a prisoner of some sort of grotesque experiment where I existed only to fulfil some master's desires. It'd be like a US citizen waking up in Stalin's Russia after having lived in free, capitalist America all of his or her life. "We do not care if you want a life of freedom where you can freely choose your profession, values and goals, you are now a naturalized citizen of Russia, and we have chosen for you a happy existence in which you will be making pillow cases for the rest of your life".

Liar. Who thinks that's a bad thing? Nobody.

The idea that science fails when it admits to being wrong is put forth all the time, often with the mistaken idea that the Bible is superior because it's unchanging.

We learn. Some of us, however, are in a hurry to exalt our own limited understanding as quickly as possible to eliminate the concept of God, but that only to assuage their consciences from dealing with that which they don't like to deal with. Some others of us are not in such a hurry.

Sure, there probably are some people out there who believe in God, but who don't like Him and thus set out to convince themselves He's not real, rather like a scared kid in an abandoned house at night whispering to himself, "there is no such thing as ghosts". I have yet to meet any such person, however.

I question every authority, even yours, so you don't understand "believers" near as much as you think you certainly do.

For instance, give me YOUR objections to the "scientific authorities" that proclaim evolution as the truth explaining origins.

The scientific authorities don't proclaim anything; evidence does.

 

[John Jones]

You did not come from a rock by accident.

There is a God that you are answerable to.

He is not your enemy unless you make Him so.

Save that strawman argument for those who claim they sprang from a rock by accident. eh?

ATTENTION FOLKS: If you think you sprang from a rock by accident, PM 154 and start a support group for this nonsense.

 

[Sledge]

You did not come from a rock by accident.

No, I came from my mum and dad. Wasn't an accident, they just let nature take it's course. Or as they explain it, they had three children then found out what was causing it.

 

[RoboTimbo]

You did not come from a rock by accident.

There is a God that you are answerable to.

He is not your enemy unless you make Him so.

And right back to ridiculous.

 

[Simon39759]

And the ones he can't answer?

The fact that he is reduced to veiled threats would seem to confirm that point.


Apart from that waste of our time, anything good you guys want to discuss? Seen anything good on the telly recently? He, remember when Kent's little cohort 'bore false witnesses' and filled up fraudulent DMCA complaints? That sure was a hoot (and a wonderful example of 'academic freedom' in action)!

 

[Vortigern99]

You did not come from a rock by accident.

Since our current models of abiogenesis do not make this claim either, you are in perfect agreement with scientific thinking on this point. We did not come from a rock by accident.