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100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)

Since science is always correcting, eventually someday it will recognize today's imposed orthodox foolishness.

Exactly. And be proud of it.

Who wouldn't be proud of discovering the germ theory or relativity or any number of things that have furthered human understanding?

Religious people seem to think that's a bad thing and is therefore a weakness in the scientific method. I don't know why--maybe because they want to believe they have people or books or a method that can tell them the ultimate truth right now? Of course they don't, but religion gives them that illusion. Then they assume that every other system which doesn't claim the same ability is less worthy than theirs.
 
The 6th one, for example, is observed. Everybody knows that a dog will produce a dog and not an ear of corn.
A person changes over time, but it doesn't change into an ear of corn.

A person will change, but that's not evolution in the sense we're using here.

A dog will produce a dog- that's true. Nobody thinks that a dog will ever give birth to an ear of corn, a goat, or a weasel. That's not what the theory of evolution says.

What it does say is that a dog will give birth to dogs that are not exactly the same as the parents, and not exactly the same as each other. Every new dog is slightly different from its parents and its siblings. Rover is not the same as his father, he's even more different from his grandfather, and he's very different from his great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather. All these little differences keep adding up- this is how, in a couple of hundred years, we can get very different breeds of dogs from the same stock. If we were to continue breeding dogs separately for another thousand years- say we take a large collection of little dogs (poodles, chihuahuas, etc) and bred them somewhere where they couldn't interbreed with larger canines, and did the same thing with a group of larger dogs (mastiffs, rottweilers, St Bernards, etc), those little changes would continue to add up over the generations. The little dogs would find a different niche and experience different selection pressures than the big ones, so those differences would add up in different ways. You'd wind up with two different breeds that would no longer be able to mate. They'd be different species.

And, yes, I can hear you say "But they're still of the dog kind!" Fine, they're still canines, just like wolves, foxes, and coyotes are. Exactly like wolves, foxes and coyotes, which all descend from dog-like ancestors but experienced different mutations and selection pressures so that they are no longer the same species. Micro-evolution, you call it, over a hundred thousand or million years.

But these creatures have been breeding for more than a mere hundred thousand years. Go back from your dogs and foxes to their ancestor ten million years ago, take away all those hundreds of millions of little microchanges, and you get a rather dog-like ancestor. Go back another thirty million, and take away millions of microchanges, and you get something that was the ancestors of dogs, cats, and weasels. One set of populations came up with differences that add up to "cat", another came up with differences that add up to "weasel". At NO POINT in this development did any dog give birth to a weasel. All the creatures had parents that were very similar (but not identical) to itself, and offspring that were very similar (but not identical) to itself.
 
The quotes above, and many others, make David's lack of understanding of the principals he is arguing against painfully obvious. In other words, he is arguing against concepts that exist only in his own mind; he has never taken the time and effort to truly understand exactly what the theory of evolution actually says, so it is easy for him to disregard all of the replies which address specific points he has made.

The quote above about apes is particularly telling. That one quote highlights Davids lack of depth in his understanding of evolution.

I totally agree. As I said in Post 110, it doesn't work to mock the current conclusions derived by the scientific method unless you understand how they're derived and can argue against them based on the scientific method. Otherwise it just sounds like willful ignorance.

If you want to argue against science, it makes more sense to argue against the scientific method itself. But that's a lot harder to do.
 
Well, you have to realize that each of these "definitions" are examined in the video series and the "unscientific" - heh - stupidity of them will be discussed, but basically they are "unscientific" in that they are not observed.
We haven't observed atomic evolution? What do you have to say to the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

The 6th one, for example, is observed. Everybody knows that a dog will produce a dog and not an ear of corn.
Evolution hapens in tiny increments. You'd know that if you actually knew anything about the subject.

Why am I here talking about something which I have very little interest in?
It seems to be far less a lack of interest than a lack of basic understanding. You appear to be playing the "lack of interest" card to obscure the fact that you have virtually no understanding of what you need to believe is false.

It is because you believe in a religion that opposes another, and most interestingly, you don't know that you do that because you have been indoctrinated.
You're the one who is obstinately refusing to learn about something that threatens you dogma. This rejection of that which you do not understand betrays the fact that you are simply looking to rationalize your dismissal of that which threatens your indoctrination.

I have always suspected this but here I am confirming it.
And I suspect that you are here to reassure yourself that your superstitions are real.

Yeah! It is so obvious, isn't it! Over and over and over again we have to stress how the word evolution is used. A person changes over time, but it doesn't change into an ear of corn.
It doesn't matter what you reject, as long as you can reject it histrionically enough you can make science seem silly in your mind and be reassured that no one has any evidence that you superstition is fantastic. Maybe if you call science a "dumb doody head" you'll feel even better. There is nothing wrong with using the term evolution to describe different phenomena that involve change over time. If I am mistaken then please explain exactly why without resorting to simply claiming "that's stupid".

If I say God exists because religion says so does that make it true?
No.

If I say that science may be wrong about the Big Bang you are not going to argue that,...
You are wrong. Even science says that science can be wrong. All sceintific knowledge is held provisionally, pending further discovery.

...and you sure have not addressed the point about the Big Bang Dr. Hovind raised. What exploded? Where did what allegedly exploded come from? And the energy etc.
I have addressed it. You simply lack the knowledge to understand the answer. I suggest reading Hyperspace by Michio Kaku, if you really are interested in the answer. If not, then feel free to ignore all evidence that Hovind is wrong.

The universe exploded into the universe and you have to ask what is unscientific about the Big Bang?!

C'mon people!
Argument from personal incredulity noted.

The same question could be asked of religion, politics, the lottery or anything. When you say "This happened," that is fact. When you say "we think this might have happened," that is religion and science. When you confuse the two that is stupid. Evolution is stupid.
Something is stupid all right.

You are having a hard time with this, aren't you? What you are saying is that nothing exploded. Nothing really is nothing. Where did it come from? If you can't answer it just say you can't answer it. If you don't know say you don't know. Don't act as if there was nothing that you can't understand before the Big Bang because you have already more or less said nothing became nothing, like magic, what the hell do you have to lose at this point?!
This is like discussing epidemiology with someone who thinks that disease is caused by tiny demons living in your stomach. You are assuming that there is nothing beyond your knowledge. In your own mind you may seem like you are making some valid points, but you are only demonstrating your ignorance of very complicated subjects. You betray the fact that you are only looking for reasons to reject complicated ideas that threaten your magical constructs. This makes you look foolish to those who have taken the time to study the subjects in which you freely admit your ignorance.

Just answer the questions raised. That's all. Simple. You can't. No one can.
I'm sorry that you didn't like my answer and that it was beyond your feeble understanding of modern cosmology. I'm sorry that you would rather burn strawmen than really learn about the universe.

Since I have answered your question, I would like you to address either the question that I posed to you regarding the L-gulano-y-lactone oxidase gene, or the issue of chromosomal fusion addressed by Joobz. Either of those two subjects will do.
 
A person will change, but that's not evolution in the sense we're using here.

A dog will produce a dog- that's true. Nobody thinks that a dog will ever give birth to an ear of corn, a goat, or a weasel. That's not what the theory of evolution says.

What it does say is that a dog will give birth to dogs that are not exactly the same as the parents, and not exactly the same as each other. Every new dog is slightly different from its parents and its siblings. Rover is not the same as his father, he's even more different from his grandfather, and he's very different from his great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather. All these little differences keep adding up- this is how, in a couple of hundred years, we can get very different breeds of dogs from the same stock. If we were to continue breeding dogs separately for another thousand years- say we take a large collection of little dogs (poodles, chihuahuas, etc) and bred them somewhere where they couldn't interbreed with larger canines, and did the same thing with a group of larger dogs (mastiffs, rottweilers, St Bernards, etc), those little changes would continue to add up over the generations. The little dogs would find a different niche and experience different selection pressures than the big ones, so those differences would add up in different ways. You'd wind up with two different breeds that would no longer be able to mate. They'd be different species.

And, yes, I can hear you say "But they're still of the dog kind!" Fine, they're still canines, just like wolves, foxes, and coyotes are. Exactly like wolves, foxes and coyotes, which all descend from dog-like ancestors but experienced different mutations and selection pressures so that they are no longer the same species. Micro-evolution, you call it, over a hundred thousand or million years.

But these creatures have been breeding for more than a mere hundred thousand years. Go back from your dogs and foxes to their ancestor ten million years ago, take away all those hundreds of millions of little microchanges, and you get a rather dog-like ancestor. Go back another thirty million, and take away millions of microchanges, and you get something that was the ancestors of dogs, cats, and weasels. One set of populations came up with differences that add up to "cat", another came up with differences that add up to "weasel". At NO POINT in this development did any dog give birth to a weasel. All the creatures had parents that were very similar (but not identical) to itself, and offspring that were very similar (but not identical) to itself.

So you can trace your ancestry back to a fish? Sounds like sci fi or fantasy to me.
 
A dog will produce a dog- that's true. Nobody thinks that a dog will ever give birth to an ear of corn, a goat, or a weasel. That's not what the theory of evolution says.


You have to admit though, if a dog gave birth to an ear of corn, that would be very strong evidence that evolution isn't real and there truly is some sort of god *poofing* things into existence.

I wonder why it never happens...

;)
 
So you can trace your ancestry back to a fish? Sounds like sci fi or fantasy to me.

This is the root of the problem for many... deciding what to accept and not to accept based only on how it sounds.

Compounded (as has been pointed out) by the inaccurate understanding of what evolution actually is.

This is a complete paradigm shift for many believers. Believers who are trained from day 1 to accept what authority says without question. That conditions them to the point that they cannot fathom that someone accepts evolution for different reasons, hence the accusations of "atheists" taking what scientists say about evolution on faith. Ignoring that likely most Christians accept evolution as well.
 
Close, but no. More accurately both people and fish can likely trace back to a common ancestor. Not quite the same thing.

Well, that ancestor would very likely have fins, gills, a backbone, and live in water. What would you call it?
 
There is no evidence of these so called big changes. We know so called "micro-evolution" is real. When a farmer plants corn he knows he is going to get corn. He doesn't sit and wonder what evolution is going to grow for him. Watermelons? Catfish? Spiders? He knows! Corn! Everything else is just lame posturing. Pure speculation that is wrong.

If God is real, they why don't our Bibles turn into delicious nachos for our enjoyment? Why does water always come out of the tap, and not wine? Why are there blind people? Why don't our enemies just disappear? Why don't you be quiet? Why do I have to wait in line at the DMV?
 
Well, that ancestor would very likely have fins, gills, a backbone, and live in water. What would you call it?

That's certainly possible, and yeah - if faced with it I might refer to it as a fish. But I want to be as clear as possible since we're dealing with people who are confused on how this works. And it's also possible that this common ancestor had some key differences from any modern creature we would call a fish and so I want to acknowledge that.
 
In The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution, Richard Dawkins gives several examples of predictions made based on the theory of evolution that were later confirmed. It's a book that Mr. Henson should read (but won't).

-- Roger

I have a book written by Isaac Asimov back in the 70's that states: "We know that whales evolved from a land-dwelling mammal, but we have no idea what that mammal looks like."

Since then, we have found not only the pig-like ambicete, but several transitional forms between that animal and modern whales.

That prediction (that we would find fossil evidence of a walking whale) pales in comparison to the fact that, now that we are smart enough to analyze the genomes of different species, we find that the DNA of these species is constructed exactly as we would expect it to, if evolution were true.

But, I'm sure God made it that way just to be funny. What a joker!
 
6+ pages of replies to his trolling...why? Davey-boy is a class clown looking for attention.
 
This is the root of the problem for many... deciding what to accept and not to accept based only on how it sounds.

Compounded (as has been pointed out) by the inaccurate understanding of what evolution actually is.

Unfortunately, that's what Hovnid thrives on, and he's very good at it. I've watched his videos (I was curious what the fuss was all about) in the past and that's what stood out most to me. He presents things about evolution in such a ridiculous manner that it 'makes sense' to the audience that what Hovnid speaks about is false. The one quote that stood out to me was his "I didn't evolve from a monkey, where's my tail" or something along those lines. To someone who doesn't actually understand the basic mechanism of evolution, Hovnid's 'debunking' makes perfect sense. :(

Plus all the red herrings, strawmen, and various other logical fallacies he uses. But I won't get into those.
 
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If God is real, they why don't our Bibles turn into delicious nachos for our enjoyment? Why does water always come out of the tap, and not wine? Why are there blind people? Why don't our enemies just disappear? Why don't you be quiet? Why do I have to wait in line at the DMV?

It's a test, you just need to believe! ;)


On the other hand, look what happened in Bruce Almighty.
 
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There is no evidence of these so called big changes. We know so called "micro-evolution" is real. When a farmer plants corn he knows he is going to get corn. He doesn't sit and wonder what evolution is going to grow for him. Watermelons? Catfish? Spiders? He knows! Corn! Everything else is just lame posturing. Pure speculation that is wrong.
You have hit upon it, sir! Indeed you have! Genes are genes, and you cannnot go from one species to another. No matter how much you breed the wolf, it will always, for ever and ever, give birth to wolves! If evolution was true, we would be able to make tiny gradual changes and come up with, say, a tiny, tiny wolf with bright fur and big eyes, something that could fit in a blonde woman's purse!

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Oh.
 
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You mean a wolf is a kind of dog? Wolves don't make bananas or corn or fish.

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Religion. Stupid. Evolution.

Here again, David, is a post where you demonstrate your utter lack of comprehension concerning the theory of evolution.

You do go on about how stupid and improbable evolution is, yet at the same time you clearly demonstrate that you don't understand what you are railing against. Do you understand how much your statements reveal about your lack of intellectual honesty? Your statement above is akin to me saying to you: "The Bible was written by Muslims who are trying to psyche us out." That is the level of misdirection and incomprehension you bring to your threads.

Learn. Comprehend. Display comprehension. Then preach.

Please.
 
So you can trace your ancestry back to a fish? Sounds like sci fi or fantasy to me.


It only sounds like fantasy because we can only observe an instant of evolutionary history.

Imagine taking a photograph every tenth of a second from the conception to the death of a human being. Ignore your knowledge of a human life and imagine you can only actually witness the last 10 seconds of a life. Then imagine someone told you that evidence suggests that the stages of the life of this human include zygote, embryo, fetus, baby, toddler, child, teenager, adult, senior citizen.

Sounds like fantasy.

But at any stage of life, any tenth of a second looks exactly like the last tenth of a second and many tenths of seconds before and after that point in time. You can even collect thousands of tenths of seconds and they will still look alike. One would almost certainly conclude that the transformation from a zygote to a senior citizen is impossible. Complete fantasy. But one would be wrong.
 

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