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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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LondonJohn]It's not your place to tell people what I believe or what I don't believe. How dare you presume to know what I believe. I warn you not to do that again.[/quote] But you've told us what you belueve...an frankly said:
I'll start by saying again that I believe AK participated in the murder of MK. I feel the need to keep saying this, as some people seem to think that my theories/arguments imply that I'm somehow working for the AK camp. Instead, what I'm trying to say is that things might not be as black and white as either "side" (not a good word to use, but I can't think of a better one right now) would have us believe. I think it's very possible to believe in the full guilt of AK, RS, and RG, while simultaneously believing that SOME of what each of them said might have some veracity.
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http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=41747#p41747

as a case study in arrogance:


LondonJohn said:
Since I'm still inexplicably here, I will accuse you (collectively), once again, of mis-reading or mis-interpreting my posts, usually willfully. You know what I'm talking about...
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http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=42542#p42542


Now, I'm aware some people out there in regard to John are saying 'What a tosser'...and I deplore this...please stop. Along with all the other bad names, as appropriate as you feel they may be...please everybody, abide by the rules of the ineternotnetwebconnectionblognetworksystem. Thank you.
 
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lane99 said:
BobTheDonkey said:
Who says the cleanup was happening when she came back in the morning?...QUOTE]

I've seen several people suggesting it. The Perugia Murder Files' "moderator" (an oxymoron if ever there was one) comes to mind.

The notion is part of the "smoking mop" theory preached at the anti-Knox websites.
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Bob the donkey,

You said it! You stated that Amanda and Raffaele were surprised by the police and ran out of time to finish cleaning the bathroom. That was your reasoning for the bathmat not being taken out of the cottage.
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Fulcanelli said:
But you've told us what you belueve...an frankly, argued hard for it. But I admit, what you've said you believe can't really be trusted since elsewhere, you've said this:



http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=41445#p41445

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[qyite="LondonJohn"]I'll start by saying again that I believe AK participated in the murder of MK. I feel the need to keep saying this, as some people seem to think that my theories/arguments imply that I'm somehow working for the AK camp. Instead, what I'm trying to say is that things might not be as black and white as either "side" (not a good word to use, but I can't think of a better one right now) would have us believe. I think it's very possible to believe in the full guilt of AK, RS, and RG, while simultaneously believing that SOME of what each of them said might have some veracity.
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http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=41747#p41747

as a case study in arrogance:




http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=42542#p42542


Now, I'm aware some people out there in regard to John are saying 'What a tosser'...and I deplore this...please stop. Along with all the other bad names, as appropriate as you feel they may be...please everybody, abide by the rules of the ineternotnetwebconnectionblognetworksystem. Thank you.[/QUOTE]

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I think most derogatory names are usually directed at you.

Leave me alone, I am mixing cake mix and wine!
 
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Bruce Fisher said:
Cake mix and wine? Are you kidding me?

Does your DNA mix with everything you touch like cake mix and wine?

Wow! Why am I even talking to you?

It's funny, you have admitted several times that you run PMF on this forum. Now you are not Michael? Do you have any credibility at all?

Cake mix and wine! I love it!
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If his DNA was mixed with Meredith's blood, then that mix would present in everything he touched. In those places that mix was absent, it is clear he didn't touch them. This is pure logic. The cake mix thing was an analogy, to give those people who may be a little bemused, a picture they can relate to.
 
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Bruce Fisher said:
Fulcanelli,

One more question, When I state that I think Rudy went into the bathroom and then back into Meredith's room, You jump up out of your bean bag chair and proclaim that the shoe prints went right out the front door!

Then you explain that Rudy left Meredith's room to go to the bathroom and get towels.

How could this be? As we all know from your rants, those shoe prints went right out the front door!

Cake mix and wine! Thank you!
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I don't claim it, Rudy claimed it. Whether it's true or not, I don't know. But anyway, he clearly had no blood on him at that point. That's important.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Bob the donkey,

You said it! You stated that Amanda and Raffaele were surprised by the police and ran out of time to finish cleaning the bathroom. That was your reasoning for the bathmat not being taken out of the cottage.
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Ahh, so there was no way the clean up couldn't have happened partially at night, and that they went back the next morning to finish it?

Truth is, we'll never know for sure what happened that night as Knox, Sollecito, and Guede most definitely won't be telling any time soon.



edit: And, seriously, pay attention to the quote tags...
 
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Fulcanelli said:
If his DNA was mixed with Meredith's blood, then that mix would present in everything he touched. In those places that mix was absent, it is clear he didn't touch them. This is pure logic. The cake mix thing was an analogy, to give those people who may be a little bemused, a picture they can relate to.
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This is completely ludicrous. His DNA wasn't mixed with Meredith's blood in a blender and then spread on his hands.

Your analogy is not very well thought out. You logic is laughable.
 
Fulcanelli said:
If his DNA was mixed with Meredith's blood, then that mix would present in everything he touched. In those places that mix was absent, it is clear he didn't touch them. This is pure logic. The cake mix thing was an analogy, to give those people who may be a little bemused, a picture they can relate to.
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Two questions I have and if anyone can answer or provide a link I would be most appreciative:

1. What were the places that Rudy's DNA (alone, or a mixture) was left at the scene?

2. What of those places were a mixture of Rudy's DNA and Meredith's blood?
 
Bruce, Fulcanelli

Can you both (and everyone else) please try to be more careful with your quote tags (especially nested quotes or multi-quote posts).

This forum has both a "Preview Post" feature and post submission edit capability. An unreadable or confusing post only hurts your case.
 
halides1 said:
RWVBWL,

On page 140 in Candace Dempsey’s book, she describes the police listening in on Amanda’s conversation with Filomena on 5 November. On pages 125-126 she discusses the conversation that Amanda and Raffaele had in the bugged room on 4 November. They apparently discussed people Amanda knew, like Shaky and Juve, but they switched back and forth from Italian to English, making it hard to follow. On page 125 Ms. Dempsey mentions that there had been previous phone conversations between AK and RS that were tapped. So ILE listened to and recorded Amanda and Raffaele talking about pizza and her relatives but they did not record her interrogations.
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In her book, does Candace Dempsey write of anyone else whose phone conversations were recorded by police other than those who were connected to Raffaele or Amanda?
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Fiona took a break from the forum. Fiona and Michael are spreading cake mix and wine on their bodies as they sing "O' Sanity"
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Must you always resort to personal attacks?

Is your evidence in regards to the topic so weak that this is your only recourse?

As an aside/follow-up:
Note that this is not an attack, just what I think every time I see your posts that are personal attacks on the "other side" and/or are bare assertions that the verdict will be overturned because you just know these two are innocent. For what it's worth, I feel the same in regards to Fulcanelli's personal digs at you.

It does not help your case that you continue to bring PMF into this thread as though the behavior of the posters on that site has any bearing, whatsoever, on the wealth of information that site presents in the form of court transcripts, etc.

Let's try arguing the evidence, not the people presenting it.
 
Laura and Amanda's conversation of 3 November

Fulcanelli said:
Amanda mentioned to Laura what? Cite?
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Laura recalled that Amanda said that she felt tired. She was getting a bunch of repetitive questions from the police who were becoming belligerant and shouting.

paraphrased from page 107, Murder in Italy.
 
Did Amanda or Raffaele volunteer to or take a polygraph test? I do not know what the law in Italy is regarding polygraph tests and whether they are admissible in court.

I think, in most cases in the U.S. polygraphs are not admissible in court as evidence, however, on a public relations level a successful polygraph can speak volumes.
 
polygraph test

I am not sure. I would like to see Amanda offer to take one with respect to the slander/calumny charge only if the chestnut haired policewoman did so also.
 
I think the police initially more suspected Amanda and Rafaelle of covering for someone else, and not so much thinking that they were themselves the murderers. The early reports of Amanda's behavior and the inconsistent stories of how they had spent their night, coupled with the constant refrains of "I don't know" and "I can't remember" would spark suspicion in anyone, let alone police investigators. They were probably suspected of having knowledge of the crime that they weren't coming clean about and their phones were tapped to search for clues as to what this was. It seems from the articles posted earlier it is commonplace in Italy to tap phones so I wouldn't read too much into the fact that theirs were. It was par for the course once things did not seem to add up.
Putting aside any knowledge one may have now and going back to those early days when Amanda and Rafaelle were strangers to the police, I can certainly see how the police would want to delve further into their whereabouts but I can't for a moment believe those two were their natural first choice as suspects.
 
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