Calling all Boxcutter Conspiracy Theorists

Or how about his pic roscoe:
[qimg]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/Zaitsev72/300px-Pentagondebris6.jpg[/qimg]


It was taken by AP/Wide World Photos, not a government photo. Were they in on it? They photographed a piece of wreckage that had not been touched by anyone.

How do you know it had not been touched by anyone?


http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/pl2.jpg

Were is that piece on this shot?

Oh and please note

The lamposts are still standing and the generator is still in its original position.

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How do you know it had not been touched by anyone?


[qimg]http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/pl2.jpg[/qimg]

Were is that piece on this shot?

Oh and please note

The lamposts are still standing and the generator is still in its original position.

That piece is most likely out of the frame. Or, it could be that it is shot from such a far distance, with such a low quality camera, that it is not visible. Same with the lampposts and the generator.
 
How do you know it had not been touched by anyone?


[qimg]http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/pl2.jpg[/qimg]

Were is that piece on this shot?

Oh and please note

The lamposts are still standing and the generator is still in its original position.

This is complete and utter nonsense. The poles are to the left and behind thoise trees and the distance is too far for the lense. Stop it with the lies and dishonesty.

This is 2006 crap.
 
Yes.



Only if it is not true. You have lied numerous times in this thread already.



What part of "it helps to watch the video you link to" do you not understand? Rumsfield says "we cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars" he does not say missing at all. Its about poor spending and accounting practices. It was also mentioned prior to this date.

Are OK then. So when I get my tax form I'll just say I cannot trace the money required to pay the bill but it's not missing. You people are funny.
 
How do you know it had not been touched by anyone?


http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/pl2.jpg

Were is that piece on this shot?

Oh and please note

The lamposts are still standing and the generator is still in its original position.

Are you crazy? The piece of debris pictured in the photo I presented is at most two feet long. The photo you have up is from quite a significant distance away, not to mention the fact that the angle is not nearly wide enough to capture the plane wreckage that was pictured in the previous photo. That wreckage is on the far side of the lawn.

Then with the light poles, I think you are a little confused on the flight path...
 
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That piece is most likely out of the frame. Or, it could be that it is shot from such a far distance, with such a low quality camera, that it is not visible. Same with the lampposts and the generator.

So what we have then is a smoking Pentagon then moving out no debris-no debris-no debris then still moving out from the Pentagon Bingo a piece of wreckage easily photographed from the road. Wasn't that lucky boys and girls?

the generator is in shot old chum. It miraculously moved after this photograph was taken.

damn those jittery 6 ton generators just get everywhere don't they?

See any plane remains do you?

which reminds me. We haven't done the eyewitness reports on the speed of the plane yet have we.
 
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So what we have then is a smoking Pentagon then moving out no debris-no debris-no debris then still moving out from the Pentagon Bingo a piece of wreckage easily photographed from the road. Wasn't that lucky boys and girls?

The hell are you talking about? Where do you see that?
 
Are OK then

Caught in another lie.

So when I get my tax form I'll just say I cannot trace the money required to pay the bill but it's not missing. You people are funny.

The tax bill you lied about? Your analogy sucks. People in the UK very rarely ever have to pay tax money in their form. Only if there has been a big error in the tax codes or reporting of income.

This untracked money was mentioned well in advance to 911 by Rummie.
 
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Caught in another lie.



The tax bill you lied about? Your analogy sucks. People in the UK very rarely ever have to pay tax money in their form. Only if there has been a big error in the tax codes or reporting of income.

This untracked money was mentioned well in advance to 911 by Rummie.

yes and the day after he announced $2.3 trillion dollars unaccounted for the military budget came under review and was increased by Bush. Meanwhile all records of the missing money went up in smoke and has not been mentioned since.

Stop calling me a liar it is against forum rules. Unless of course I suspect that there's one rule for some but not others. This I intend to report back to the more open forums on the internet.
 
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This is complete and utter nonsense. The poles are to the left and behind thoise trees and the distance is too far for the lense. Stop it with the lies and dishonesty.

No sir. The poles are next to the bridge as the video in the very first posts shows quite clearly. If they were behind the trees then the plane would have knocked the trees down also.
 
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Again, why are you asking for evidence if you are just going to say that the government covered it up? What about this photo:

[qimg]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/Zaitsev72/Pentagon_Debris_17.jpg[/qimg]

Is this entire team featured in the picture and the guy moving the plane debris knowingly letting themselves be photographed planting evidence? Or more rationally, do you think that the FBI agent is removing the plane wreckage for further analysis?

Why is the debris often so "clean"?
 
@roscoe_the_first

What do you say about the eyewitness-accounts, which confirm the north-route?

1. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As we were driving into town on 395, there was an exit. We were trying to get off of the exit for the Memorial Bridge. On the left-hand side, there was a commercial plane coming in, and was coming in too fast and the[n?] too low, and the next thing we saw was [it?] go-down below the side of the road… coming down towards the side of the—of 395. And when it came down, it just missed 395 and went down below us”[11]

2. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395… we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon.[12]

3. “coming straight at us from over the road (Columbia Pike) that runs perpendicular to the road I was on. The plane just appeared there—very low in the air, to the side of (and not much above) the CITGO gas station…[note: this statement is ambiguous as to whether it was N. or S. of the gas station but…] then it banked in the slightest turn in front of me, toward the heliport.”[13]

4. “I was right underneath the plane, said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395.”[14]

5. “I watched it come in very low over the trees and it just dipped down and came down right over 395 right into the Pentagon.”[15]

6. “The plane flew very low over his car and hit the building and blew his windows out of the vehicle and he’s on interstate 395.”[16]

Additionally there are a plenty of eyewitness-accounts, that the plane hit down the light poles.

1. “It was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down.”[20]

2. “He said the craft clipped a utility pole guide wire.”[21]

3. “Penny Elgas stopped as she saw a passenger jet descend, clip a light pole near her.”[22]

4. “The plane approached the Pentagon… clipping a light pole, a car antenna… It clipped a couple of light poles on the way in.”[23]

5. “Next to me was a cab from D.C., its windshield smashed out by pieces of lampposts.”[24]

6. “[she saw] a low-flying jetliner strike the top of nearby telephone poles.”[25]

7. “It hit some lampposts on the way in.”[26]

8. “[the [plane flew] over Ft Myer picking off trees and light poles near the helicopter pad next to building.”[27]

9. “[he watched the plane clip] the antenna of the vehicle immediately behind him. It also struck three light poles between him and the building.”[28]

10. “The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car.”[29]

11. “I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles.”[30]

12. “As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110.”[31]

13. “Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass.”[32]

14. “On either side of him, three streetlights had been sheared in half by the airliner’s wings at 12 to 15 feet above the ground. An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away.”

15. “I saw the wing of the plane clip the light post, and it made the plane slant.”[33]

16. “It knocked over a few light poles in its way…”[34]

17. “[It] struck a light pole…The plane tried to recover, but hit a second light pole and continued flying at an angle.”[35]

18. “It turned and came around in front of the vehicle and it clipped one of these light poles…”[36]

19. “The plane was flying low and rapidly descended, knocking over light poles.”[37]

20. “I saw it clip a light pole.”[38]
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/05/critical-review-of-pentacon-smoking-gun.html

Do you have a "debunking of the debunker"?
 
Again, why are you asking for evidence if you are just going to say that the government covered it up? What about this photo:

[qimg]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/Zaitsev72/Pentagon_Debris_17.jpg[/qimg]

Is this entire team featured in the picture and the guy moving the plane debris knowingly letting themselves be photographed planting evidence? Or more rationally, do you think that the FBI agent is removing the plane wreckage for further analysis?

It is not the FBI's job to remove evidence. That job belongs to the NTSB. The FBI should merely be cordoning off the various pieces of wreckage but leaving it where it landed.

Just had a thought about the piece in the background that apears to have the 'c' of American on it. This is the top of the fuselage about 30 - 40 feet behind the nose. According to the offiical story this would have been buried deep into the Pentagon.
 
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@roscoe_the_first

What do you say about the eyewitness-accounts, which confirm the north-route?

1. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As we were driving into town on 395, there was an exit. We were trying to get off of the exit for the Memorial Bridge. On the left-hand side, there was a commercial plane coming in, and was coming in too fast and the[n?] too low, and the next thing we saw was [it?] go-down below the side of the road… coming down towards the side of the—of 395. And when it came down, it just missed 395 and went down below us”[11]

2. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395… we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon.[12]

3. “coming straight at us from over the road (Columbia Pike) that runs perpendicular to the road I was on. The plane just appeared there—very low in the air, to the side of (and not much above) the CITGO gas station…[note: this statement is ambiguous as to whether it was N. or S. of the gas station but…] then it banked in the slightest turn in front of me, toward the heliport.”[13]

4. “I was right underneath the plane, said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395.”[14]

5. “I watched it come in very low over the trees and it just dipped down and came down right over 395 right into the Pentagon.”[15]

6. “The plane flew very low over his car and hit the building and blew his windows out of the vehicle and he’s on interstate 395.”[16]

Additionally there are a plenty of eyewitness-accounts, that the plane hit down the light poles.

1. “It was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down.”[20]

2. “He said the craft clipped a utility pole guide wire.”[21]

3. “Penny Elgas stopped as she saw a passenger jet descend, clip a light pole near her.”[22]

4. “The plane approached the Pentagon… clipping a light pole, a car antenna… It clipped a couple of light poles on the way in.”[23]

5. “Next to me was a cab from D.C., its windshield smashed out by pieces of lampposts.”[24]

6. “[she saw] a low-flying jetliner strike the top of nearby telephone poles.”[25]

7. “It hit some lampposts on the way in.”[26]

8. “[the [plane flew] over Ft Myer picking off trees and light poles near the helicopter pad next to building.”[27]

9. “[he watched the plane clip] the antenna of the vehicle immediately behind him. It also struck three light poles between him and the building.”[28]

10. “The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car.”[29]

11. “I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles.”[30]

12. “As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110.”[31]

13. “Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass.”[32]

14. “On either side of him, three streetlights had been sheared in half by the airliner’s wings at 12 to 15 feet above the ground. An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away.”

15. “I saw the wing of the plane clip the light post, and it made the plane slant.”[33]

16. “It knocked over a few light poles in its way…”[34]

17. “[It] struck a light pole…The plane tried to recover, but hit a second light pole and continued flying at an angle.”[35]

18. “It turned and came around in front of the vehicle and it clipped one of these light poles…”[36]

19. “The plane was flying low and rapidly descended, knocking over light poles.”[37]

20. “I saw it clip a light pole.”[38]
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/05/critical-review-of-pentacon-smoking-gun.html

Do you have a "debunking of the debunker"?

Was the light pole clipping a False memory syndrome?. A recollection reinforced by images from their TV. As for being on I395 and seeing the plane just before it hit the Pentagon the argument applies to both the Northern or Southern route scenario
 
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