Merged Does Elie Wiesel have a tatoo, or not?

[TSR]

I think

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... all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding...
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it was successful in many trials, but I don't have the data.

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Nor do you ever have any data.
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Many Nazis were given a few years only, and many had those sentences shortened.

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And which of those used "the Nuremberg defense," hmmmn?
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Well, I wanted to look this up to bookmark the ref ... so I did ... the thread was 'Soviets Faked Footage at Auschwitz'

As a result of the screening, Defence Counsel agreed that, indeed, each of the witnesses identified a portion of the pictures, and hence, in this way, the entire screening was authenticated. I understand that Defence Counsel
does not insist that the oath be administered to these identifying witnesses, but they are present here, at the Court's disposal, should the Court desire further authentication from them or to put additional questions to them.

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This would be the defence counsel Eichmann explicitly thanks for defending his rights? What evidence do you present that Mrs. Salzberger, Mr. Hoch, Mr. Aviel, Mr. Melkman, Mr. Ben-Zvi, Mr. Bakon, Mrs. Kagan, Mr. Chen and Mr. Aharon Hoter-Yishai did not say what they reportedly said?

Which part of

Defence Counsel agreed that, indeed, each of the witnesses identified a portion of the pictures, and hence, in this way, the entire screening was authenticated

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...are you having trouble understanding?

And are you really sure you want to link to a thread which amply displays your lies about the 'zoo' at Treblinka, and about the 'shower room' at Dachau, and all of which you were made to run with your tail between your legs, like the Brave Aryan Warrior you pretend to be?
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[Saggy]

like the Brave Aryan Warrior you pretend to be?

Well, I guess it's the brave Aryan warrior vs. the Zionist hag ! LOL.

In any case, we have just begun to probe the depths of Zionist depravity displayed at the Eichmann trial. I have to congratulate Muelenkamp (sp) for including in his page on the film the following analysis and trial excerpts ....

Not only was Eichmann guilty of severing human heads, he is also connected with the hoax soap made from Jewish fat ....

As to the decapitated human bodies and the heads lying in a bucket beside them, similarity with some rather graphic photos of corpses lying in containers, which are shown here, suggests that the film image in question is related to the Soviet allegations of experiments in the manufacture of soap from human corpses conducted at the Danzig Anatomical Institute, which had been presented at the Nuremberg Trial of the Major War Criminals before the International Military Tribunal

He also assisted in the collection of human skeletons ...

It is also possible, considering similarity with these very graphic images from a French investigation of crimes committed at Struthof/Natzweiler concentration camp in Alsace, that the image in question is related to a singularly macabre endeavor that Eichmann was accused of having been involved in, the making of an “anthropological” skeleton collection suggested to Himmler by SS-Hauptsturmführer Dr. August Hirt, head of the Anatomical Institute at Strasbourg University, for which the bodies of people killed at Natzweiler concentration camp in Alsace were used.

And my favorite, when skeltons were requested, Eichmann, having none handy, just sent a group of Jews to be killed and ????

Presiding Judge: Did you say that the last section was filmed in Strasbourg?

Attorney General: There was the matter of the supply of one hundred and fifty skeletons to the Institute for Ancestral Research "Ahnenerbe". We shall prove the link with the Accused. Instead of supplying skeletons, he supplied living people whose skeletons served the institute.

Such was the absolute insanity of the Eichmann hoax trial.

 

[JimBenArm]

So Eichmann was a hoax?

 

[Skeptic Guy]

My German teacher in high school survived a Concentration Camp and showed us his tattoo during talks he gave on the holocaust. His talks were some of the most emotional and disturbing that I have ever witnessed.

Saggy, your argument is vile.

 

[Travis]

Oh goodness. Are we dealing with the soap red herring again?

Get some new material Saggy.

 

[TSR]

Well, I guess it's the brave Aryan warrior vs. the Zionist hag ! LOL.

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You have no idea regarding my opinions of Zionism, as has been pointed out to you before, so continuing to pretend that you do simply makes you look *more* idiotic.

As if that were possible...
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Not only was Eichmann guilty of severing human heads, he is also connected with the hoax soap made from Jewish fat ....

As to the decapitated human bodies and the heads lying in a bucket beside them, similarity with some rather graphic photos of corpses lying in containers, which are shown here, suggests that the film image in question is related to the Soviet allegations of experiments in the manufacture of soap from human corpses conducted at the Danzig Anatomical Institute, which had been presented at the Nuremberg Trial of the Major War Criminals before the International Military Tribunal

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Where in that quote, or indeed anywhere in the IMT or Eichmann transcripts is it stated that this was specifically *Jewish* fat?

Nowhere?

Why did you lie about it, then?

Careful, Saggy, your brown shirt is showing...
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He also assisted in the collection of human skeletons ...

It is also possible, considering similarity with these very graphic images from a French investigation of crimes committed at Struthof/Natzweiler concentration camp in Alsace, that the image in question is related to a singularly macabre endeavor that Eichmann was accused of having been involved in, the making of an “anthropological” skeleton collection suggested to Himmler by SS-Hauptsturmführer Dr. August Hirt, head of the Anatomical Institute at Strasbourg University, for which the bodies of people killed at Natzweiler concentration camp in Alsace were used.

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With which part of "it is ***possible*** are you having comprehension problems? It's that third syllable, isn't it?
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And my favorite, when skeltons were requested, Eichmann, having none handy, just sent a group of Jews to be killed and ????

Presiding Judge: Did you say that the last section was filmed in Strasbourg?

Attorney General: There was the matter of the supply of one hundred and fifty skeletons to the Institute for Ancestral Research "Ahnenerbe". We shall prove the link with the Accused. Instead of supplying skeletons, he supplied living people whose skeletons served the institute.

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Again, Saggy -- you need to share with us the sooper seekrit Nazi decoder ring with which you discovered the word "Jews" in the above.
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Such was the absolute insanity of the Eichmann hoax trial.

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The only question of sanity here is your own -- watch out! There's a Jooo under your bed!
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[TSR]

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You have no idea regarding my opinions of Zionism, as has been pointed out to you before, so continuing to pretend that you do simply makes you look *more* idiotic.

As if that were possible...
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Where in that quote, or indeed anywhere in the IMT or Eichmann transcripts is it stated that this was specifically *Jewish* fat?

Nowhere?

Why did you lie about it, then?

Careful, Saggy, your brown shirt is showing...
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With which part of "it is ***possible*** are you having comprehension problems? It's that third syllable, isn't it?
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Again, Saggy -- you need to share with us the sooper seekrit Nazi decoder ring with which you discovered the word "Jews" in the above.
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The only question of sanity here is your own -- watch out! There's a Jooo under your bed!
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He's been on, but no response from Saggs.

How very ... expected.
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[JoeTheJuggler]

Sorry if this has already been covered. . .

He wrote one of the definitive first hand accounts of the Holocaust. The Holocaust is a hoax crowd would captialize him not having a tattoo as proof against it.

And of course they'd be committing the formal logical fallacy denying the antecedent.

Here's the fallacious argument form:
P1. if P then Q
P2. not-P
C. therefore not Q

Here's the fallacious argument in words:
P1. Having a tattoo is proof one was in a death camp.
P2. Elie Wiesel doesn't have a tattoo.
C. Therefore Elie Wisel wasn't in a death camp.

So even if it's true that he has no tattoo, it is proof of nothing wrt to his having witnessed the Holocaust. Even if both premises are true, the conclusion doesn't follow and isn't necessarily true.

 

[Saggy]

Sorry if this has already been covered. . .


And of course they'd be committing the formal logical fallacy denying the antecedent.

Here's the fallacious argument form:
P1. if P then Q
P2. not-P
C. therefore not Q

Here's the fallacious argument in words:
P1. Having a tattoo is proof one was in a death camp.
P2. Elie Wiesel doesn't have a tattoo.
C. Therefore Elie Wisel wasn't in a death camp.

So even if it's true that he has no tattoo, it is proof of nothing wrt to his having witnessed the Holocaust. Even if both premises are true, the conclusion doesn't follow and isn't necessarily true.

What you are missing it that Wiesel has stated on the record that he has a tattoo. Thus, if he doesn't, he's a liar. And he is the iconic representative of the holohoax. Thus, if it is unequivocally demonstrated that he is a liar in terms that the simplest moron can understand, the holohoax is discredited. And, it seems to be in a pretty defensive posture these days, so it might go down hard.

 

[TSR]

What you are missing it that Wiesel has stated on the record that he has a tattoo. Thus, if he doesn't, he's a liar. And he is the iconic representative of the holohoax. Thus, if it is unequivocally demonstrated that he is a liar in terms that the simplest moron can understand, the holohoax is discredited.

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And Zundel, Irving , Rudolf and yourself are the iconic representatives of denial.

Since it have been unequivocally demonstrated that you are all liars, employing what you substitute for logic, what does that do to the credibility of Holocaust denial?

Are you going to snip and run from this or ignore it like you usually do, oh brave aryan warrior?

BTW, who (other than deniers) try to claim that the normative understanding of the Holocaust depends entirely on the credibility (or lack thereof) of a single man?
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[little grey rabbit]

Elie Wiesel and the missing tattoo

Some people may be aware of the claim by Auschwitz survivor Niklos Gruener that Elie Wiesel has claimed the identity and number of an older man he knew at Auschwitz, Lazar Wiesel (Lazar is a variant of Eliezar..Elie, but Mr Gruener says it was a different and older man).

I have pulled together some material that suggests that Elie Wiesel is possibly the son of a Mendel and Golda Wiesel

I have put it together here if anyone is interested
http://littlegreyrabbit.wordpress.c...lution-to-the-mystery-of-elie-wiesels-tattoo/

The original documents that Auschwitz survivor Mr Gruener collected can be seen here
http://littlegreyrabbit.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/elie-wiesel-the-documents/

I would hope that if Elie Wiesel really does have a tattoo perhaps some way could be found to make this public.

 

[uke2se]

Another utterly pointless thread for you to vent your hatred in, then? Couldn't you make do with the ones you had? Are you planning to clutter the entire first page of this forum section with hate filled denialist threads?

 

[lionking]

Another utterly pointless thread for you to vent your hatred in, then? Couldn't you make do with the ones you had? Are you planning to clutter the entire first page of this forum section with hate filled denialist threads?

Delusional Nazi deniers unite.

There are only a few on this forum, but that's a few too many.

 

[TSR]

Troll. Feed. Don't. Thank you.

 

[lionking]

Troll. Feed. Don't. Thank you.

Yeah, but it is good fun to see their backsides handed to them in a very comprehensive manner.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Yeah, but it is good fun to see their backsides handed to them in a very comprehensive manner.

Sheesh, I thought it was the 66th anniversary of the liberation Auschwitz, in turns out for some people it's spit on an Auschwitz survivor day.

Mr Gruener, I salute you. I salute your courage to tell the truth against all those who threatened you and harassed you.

You are example of bravery and determination to speak the truth that the likes of lionking, tsr and uke2se would do well to emulate.

 

[lionking]

You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and kicked you in the arse.

 

[little grey rabbit]

You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and kicked you in the arse.

Well if you have to kick someone's bottom go and kick the 80 year old Auschwitz survivor Mr Gruener - he's the one who let the cat out of the bag re Elie Wiesel, not me.

Beating up on an 80 year old Holocaust survivor - oh the pity of it all.

 

[lionking]

You fail even as a troll.

 

[little grey rabbit]

What actually annoys me most about people such as yourself is your intellectual cowardice.

The information I present is somewhat equivocal - and I openly admit that - nevertheless people of good faith could easily believe Mr Gruener is right. His assertions deserve to be answered definitively one way or the other.

The impression I come away with from people like lionking, TSR and uke2se is that they firmly believe Elie Wiesel is a liar and is guilty as charged by Mr Gruener - but reasons only known in the darkness of their inner being wish to degrade and abuse Mr Gruener's testimony.

On Holocaust Day of all days - when we should be upholding the sanctity of genuine survivors, not protecting con artists.