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Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

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Diazo said:
Alright, having read the entire thread, most topics have been covered reasonably well with people advocating both sides.

However, one topic I haven't seen is the fact that, regardless of how legal or how right the blockade is, Israel had to stop those ships due to politics.

The blockade is a line that Israel drew in the sand, and has put considerable weight behind. If they backed down on this simply because the ships were carrying international humanitarian aid supplies, Israel's words would have lost considerable weight which is a huge deal in the talks in the peace process that is still struggling along.

A quote I saw on another forum sums up what I'm trying to say:

A nation does not survive by setting an example, a nation survives by making examples of others.
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An example of who? People who are stateless on their own land, because it is Israel who says so, and says so illegally.
 
Thunder said:
Anti-Semites, self-hating Jews, and Hamas supporters, the lot of them.

Trust none of them. When they return to the USA they should be tried for aiding a terrorist organization and stripped of their citizenship.
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Actually thats a great point!
By supporting terrorist they are give support to the enemy!
Send them to GITTMO!
 
http://www.theage.com.au/world/isra...x-photographer-20100602-wzqb.html?autostart=1
This is what happened on anothere boat that did not resist
Earlier, Geraghty told Australian consular officials that she was on the Challenger One when it was intercepted and was hit in the upper arm with an unidentified weapon, which she believed was a stun gun.
She sustained bruises, minor burns and nausea, but reported that she had been seen by a doctor after being taken to Israel and was otherwise in good health.
Her account was backed by the first mate on the vessel, Irishman Shane Dillon, who told The Age from Dublin that ''she got a blast across the arm'' when the Israelis approached her.
''She was just doing her journalistic duties … She advised them she was a bona fide photographer … She was just attacked,'' he said.
Mr Dillon said the Challenger One, the fastest of the flotilla, had been alongside the Turkish vessel Mavi Marmara, where the worst violence took place, He said Geraghty was photographing these scenes and Challenger One had tried to outrun the Israeli boats to give Geraghty a chance to send her images by satellite.
Mr Dillon said both she and McGeough had identified themselves as media but the Israelis ''kept grabbing at their equipment''. He said the activists on his small boat were mostly women, and as the Israelis used paintball and stun guns to subdue passengers a young woman from Belgium had her nose broken and another activist was ''beaten up on board''.
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Violence used against those on board.
 
Superacid said:
Indeed, and the American population should have rebelled against George W. Bush, otherwise terrorists who attack us for our involvement in the Middle East are totally in the right!

Fourth Geneva Convention- read it. No collective punishment.
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What do you think collective punishment means? So far there's been an abject failure on the pro-Hamas side to define that.

Hint: It doesn't mean any instance where the civilian population suffers.
 
Thunder said:
ah.......demanding that we prove a negative.
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I'm just asking that he does something else than just say it's "propaganda".

Surely he can back up his argument better than that?

how about you act like a REAL skeptic, and prove that these folks are associated with Hamas and other terrorist groups.
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I just did, did you read my links?

Here's a report about the links between charity organization and the financing or terror, in which theTurkish IHH is mentionned more than once:

http://www.diis.dk/graphics/Publications/WP2006/DIIS%20WP%202006-7.web.pdf

You're welcome.
 
doobiedoright said:
Actually as a former OTR driver I am very familiar with tonnage,how about you sport?

Just so you know it is a little over 33,069,300 pounds give or take a pound or 2!
FYI 2204 pounds are equal to 1 ton.....guess you can consider your self ....OWNED!:cool:
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2240 pound equal a ton
 
a_unique_person said:
http://www.theage.com.au/world/isra...x-photographer-20100602-wzqb.html?autostart=1
This is what happened on anothere boat that did not resist

Violence used against those on board.
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Oh noes, they used tasers and physically yanked people out of the way while trying to get to the wheelhouse, a place that the Activists have admitted to deliberately blocking in a way as to prevent them getting there. This in no way conflicts with the IDF's claims, in fact it supports them in that they were equipped and prepared to use non-lethal methods to achieve their aims. notice that no one got shot on that ship, the only ones that got shot were the ones that attacked the IDF soldiers with weapondry, including handguns. Funny that.
 
Pardalis said:
Where did Parky go?

He's so quick to jump in a conversation and add his little comment, but whenever he's confronted with evidence he flies away.

Good ol' Parky.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100602/ts_nm/us_israel_flotilla

in more news, Israel insanely claims that Iran is trying to send "missiles" to Gaza, and if the world doesn't support Israel's illegal terrorist embargo upon Gaza, Iranian missiles in Gaza will threaten Europe.

"The international community cannot afford an Iranian port on the Mediterranean...The same countries that are criticizing us today, should know that they could be targeted tomorrow."

:confused:

Bibi really has lost his **** ing mind.
 
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Pardalis said:
I'm just asking that he does something else than just say it's "propaganda".

Surely he can back up his argument better than that?
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goy (funny Feudian slip?) got any evidence yet that the folks on the flotilla are associated with Hamas or any other terrorist organizations?

didn't think so. now go run and play.

fly fly fly....fly fly fly.
 
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PhantomWolf said:
Oh noes, they used tasers and physically yanked people out of the way while trying to get to the wheelhouse, a place that the Activists have admitted to deliberately blocking in a way as to prevent them getting there. This in no way conflicts with the IDF's claims, in fact it supports them in that they were equipped and prepared to use non-lethal methods to achieve their aims. notice that no one got shot on that ship, the only ones that got shot were the ones that attacked the IDF soldiers with weapondry, including handguns. Funny that.
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Oh, they were only beaten, and I don't see any evidence that the journalists were blocking any access to anything. If they beat back then they get shot. Journalists had their notes and equipment taken. What happened to freedom of speech. This is the neccessary result of apartheid.
 
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Thunder said:
goy (funny Feudian slip?) got any evidence yet that the folks on the flotilla are associated with Hamas or any other terrorist organizations?

didn't think so. now go run and play.

fly fly fly....fly fly fly.
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I just did, look a few posts up. I gave links about the IHH.

Read them this time.
 
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mortimer said:
Of course, the article you linked said nothing of the sort (your bolded text).
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""The international community cannot afford an Iranian port on the Mediterranean...The same countries that are criticizing us today, should know that they could be targeted tomorrow."
 
Thunder said:
""The international community cannot afford an Iranian port on the Mediterranean...The same countries that are criticizing us today, should know that they could be targeted tomorrow."
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Where's the part about Iranian missiles in Gaza threatening Europe in that quote?
 
Skeptic said:
Not exactly. It started then, but comparable numbers came during the British Mandate. On the whole I think more came in the latter period, not sure...
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Even so, it does not seem to suggest that the Ottoman rule suppressed religion or was anti-semitic.

I hardly think that tens of thousands of Jewish people would emigrate to an anti-semitic area where they couldn't practice their religion.

I understand that the first kibbutz was established during the Ottoman rule.
 
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