Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

[DC]

Five videos that put the lie to the leftist media and palestinian presentation of this incident:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKOmLP4yHb4&feature=player_embedded#! "Israeli Navy Addresses a Ship in the Flotilla and Offers it to Dock in the Ashdod Port"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE&feature=player_embedded "Demonstrators Use Violence Against Israeli Navy Soldiers Attempting to Board Ship"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded "Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzOWKxN2co&feature=player_embedded ""Peace activists" stabbing IDF soldier"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAMFnu8ZBwk&feature=player_embedded "Footage from the Mavi Marmara Including Injured Soldiers and Items Found On Board"

Bet you won't see these on the US MSM.

is this true?

i have seen it here on all stations i watched, private and public TV

 

[Zach Aviv]

Hits the nail right on the head.

It seems that coriander and jam bombs are a major danger to Israel's national security.

Totally delusional.

We Jews not really believe coriander or crayon or blanket is a threat to Israel security. We stop inferior people in Gaza from having even safe things to persecute them for continue to contaminate Land of Israel. There no other reason to stop item like coriander. You know this. More Jews should be honest about Gaza blockade.

 

[DC]

I do?

whose laws did you then want to enforce?

 

[Danmotron]

You keep saying that, and yet show nothing to support it.

At least Bigjelmapro showed something.

The united nations has repeatedly condemnned israel's blockade as illegal and called for its end. It is a gross example of 'collective punishment' - a practice that has been considered illegal for quite some time, and a gross violation of human rights.

Info on collective punishment here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment

Associated press article about the UN's condemnation of the illegal blockade:

Friday, August 14, 2009

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GENEVA — United Nations human rights chief Navi Pillay on Friday accused Israel of violating the rules of warfare with its blockade stopping people and goods from moving in or out of the Gaza Strip.

In a 34-page report on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Pillay also called on Israel to stop expanding its West Bank settlements and punish all settlers who attack Palestinians.

Israeli Ambassador Aharon Leshno-Yaar rejected the findings of the U.N. high commissioner for human rights. He said the report reflected the anti-Israel bias of the U.N. Human Rights Council that commissioned it, and failed to note recent Israeli moves to ease restrictions on Palestinians.

Leshno-Yaar, Israel's ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva, said Pillay "didn't make any effort to investigate things herself, which is quite unfortunate."

Pillay said the Gaza blockade amounts to collective punishment of civilians, which is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions on the conduct of warfare and occupation.

She cited the conventions' requirement that "no protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited."

The convention also bans reprisals against civilians under occupation and their property.

Pillay urged Israel to ease restrictions immediately "with a view to the complete lifting of the blockade and other restrictions."

Pillay told the Israeli government to "stop its expansion of settlements, which are illegal." She called for Israelis and Palestinians to receive building permits "in a nondiscriminatory manner" in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

Leshno-Yaar dismissed Pillay's comments on settlements as having nothing to do with the supposed subject of the report: Israel's invasion of Gaza following Hamas rocket attacks on Israel.

Pillay's report is expected be debated next month by the 47-nation Human Rights Council, which also will weigh a parallel investigation into alleged war crimes in the Gaza conflict.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

The blockade is unanimously illegal.

As was stated only two or three posts ago (by you, I believe), it does not matter if something is "thoroughly condemned" or "unanimously" decided to be illegal. What matters is whether or not it violates relevant laws. Can you please show me which laws were violated? Oh, and while you're at it, can you tell me how this made the boarding illegal, given that international law, to my knowledge, gives a navy the right to stop ships in international waters if they intend to run a blockade, and makes no distinction for blockades that are "illegal"?

Israel demanding to stop the flotilla for inspection was illegal

^{[Citation needed.]}

- and the whole purpose of the flotilla is to get around the rather frustrating turning away and bureaucratic costs that aid workers have had to deal with in the 'regular channels.'

International law does not care. If you try to run a blockade, you may be stopped and boarded, even in international waters. It doesn't matter if you're carrying LEGOs or heroin, it doesn't matter if the blockade is legal or illegal, and it doesn't matter if you're doing it because you can't be arsed to get aid through the way you're supposed to.

Your complaints of injury on the commandos conducting an illegal raid is laughable - a crook that sustains injury from a homicidal assault isn't any less of a crook.

You're absolutely right: the same rules apply for "crooked" commandos and "good" commandos. We agree, then.

As for members of the flotilla being 'members of islamic terrorist factions' this is not only irrelevant but laughable.

You are right, of course. Israel's actions would have been just as legal and justifiable if the only people on the crew were naïve aid workers truly intending to help. Mea culpa.

Here's your 'terrorrist group members.'[/quote]Look at the header:

Among the volunteers whom Israel consider terrorists and extremists are:

Has anyone said everyone on the ship were members of terrorist organizations? I do not believe so. Lists that show only a portion of the crew do not prove aything at all, I'm afraid.

 

[Taarkin]

Through a blockade, in which they knew they would be boarded and the ships rerouted to offload the aid in a manner that would have the same humanitarian effect (since any contraband is not going to get through the blockade anyway),

The goods could have gotten through if Israel decided not to attack the flotilla.

So were the other boats attacked too?

Did commandos storm those boats to hijack them or seize their cargo?

Really, so if they hadn't fought back, horrible crimes would have been perpetrated upon them? Why don't you ask the activists on the other boats about that?

You brought up the police analogy. Ideally, police storm houses to prevent bad things from happening. Here, the 'police' stormed the ships to prevent non-bad things from happening.

 

[Danmotron]

We Jews not really believe coriander or crayon or blanket is a threat to Israel security. We stop inferior people in Gaza from having even safe things to persecute them for continue to contaminate Land of Israel. There no other reason to stop item like coriander. You know this. More Jews should be honest about Gaza blockade.

What's really sad is when israel bombs palestinian civillian houses in droves, then blocks cement and other building materials that people use to rebuild their homes.

Yeah, those horrible 'cement bombs' are a real terror...

 

[stilicho]

The blockade is unanimously illegal. Israel demanding to stop the flotilla for inspection was illegal - and the whole purpose of the flotilla is to get around the rather frustrating turning away and beuareucratic costs that aid workers have had to deal with in the 'regular channels.'

Is Egypt's closed border with Gaza also unanimously illegal?

I'm pretty sure that if the aid workers used regular channels they'd have had few problems getting their shipment of LEGO^® bricks to the kids in Gaza.

 

[Zach Aviv]

What's really sad is when israel bombs palestinian civillian houses in droves, then blocks cement and other building materials that people use to rebuild their homes.

Yeah, those horrible 'cement bombs' are a real terror...

It not 'sad' it good. What is point of bombing only for rebuild? Inferior Palestinians contaminate Land of Israel. Blockade including ship stop is good. IDF do well on ship.

 

[Danmotron]

Is Egypt's closed border with Gaza also unanimously illegal?

I'm pretty sure that if the aid workers used regular channels they'd have had few problems getting their shipment of LEGO^® bricks to the kids in Gaza.

I take it you missed the earlier posting I made where aid workers cited the numerous problems with being arbitrarily turned away by Israel or having the costs of getting the aid to gaza grossly inflated to millions of bux per year.

Collective punishment is illegal, as is outlined by the United nations. Blockading aid to an entire population in response to the extremists there is illegal and morally reprehensible. If Israel really cared they'd be doing everything in their power to get the aid safely to the people who need it - but they aren't, and its frustrated aid workers and humanitarians to the point that it's come to this.

 

[stilicho]

Anyone who uses the word restraint to describe any Israeli actions is clearly barking mad. Or lying.

Last time they used restraint was probably the Gulf war.

From what I've seen it was a horribly bungled attempt to stage a non-lethal commandeering of a vessel. There are several obvious comparisons to the American raid in Mogadishu only those guys were much better armed and better prepared than these Israelis were. It seems like one of those operations that looked much better in the PowerPoint presentation.

 

[stilicho]

I take it you missed the earlier posting I made where aid workers cited the numerous problems with being arbitrarily turned away by Israel or having the costs of getting the aid to gaza grossly inflated to millions of bux per year.

Collective punishment is illegal, as is outlined by the United nations. Blockading aid to an entire population in response to the extremists there is illegal and morally reprehensible. If Israel really cared they'd be doing everything in their power to get the aid safely to the people who need it - but they aren't, and its frustrated aid workers and humanitarians to the point that it's come to this.

So what has the UN said about Egypt's closed border with Gaza?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

What's really sad is when israel bombs palestinian civillian houses in droves, then blocks cement and other building materials that people use to rebuild their homes.

Skeptic has stated earlier in the thread that cement may be imported to Gaza if it is to be used for civilian purposes. Ie. not for the construction of HAMAS bunkers, fortifications, hideouts, or...

Yeah, those horrible 'cement bombs' are a real terror...

...oh yeah, silly me, bombs.

 

[Danmotron]

From what I've seen it was a horribly bungled attempt to stage a non-lethal commandeering of a vessel. There are several obvious comparisons to the American raid in Mogadishu only those guys were much better armed and better prepared than these Israelis were. It seems like one of those operations that looked much better in the PowerPoint presentation.

Funny since israel is billing this as that they will respond to future attempts to run the blockade with even more escalating deadly force.

 

[stilicho]

Funny since israel is billing this as that they will respond to future attempts to run the blockade with even more escalating deadly force.

Cite?

 

[WildCat]

No, it doesn't mean any such thing. I don't know exactly what MySpace's algorithm for that is, but I'm 100% sure that ain't it.

Did the MySpace algorithm automatically make you a member of a group that likes to stand by the side of the road with a large "Free Palestine" banner?

Or did you join that all on your own?

 

[DC]

Cite?

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177134

 

[DC]

Did the MySpace algorithm automatically make you a member of a group that likes to stand by the side of the road with a large "Free Palestine" banner?

Or did you join that all on your own?

whats wrong with a "Free Palestine" banner?

 

[Pardalis]

The united nations has repeatedly condemnned israel's blockade as illegal and called for its end. It is a gross example of 'collective punishment' - a practice that has been considered illegal for quite some time, and a gross violation of human rights.

Info on collective punishment here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment

Associated press article about the UN's condemnation of the illegal blockade:

The UN's Humans Rights council, is that the same organization that recently welcomed in Libya with open arms with an astounding 155 votes?

 

[carlitos]

Aid blocked
While Israel allows some humanitarian supplies from international aid agencies into Gaza, these are strictly limited and frequently delayed. UN agencies have said that additional storage and transportation costs incurred from delays due to the blockade totalled around $5 million in 2009.

Color me skeptical. I stopped giving Amnesty International my hard-earned money long ago, when I realized that they had gone off the deep end. And "an additional" $5 million? Big freaking deal. That's a rounding error for the billions of dollars that goes to Gaza. If these "activists" had spent 1/2 the effort in actually going through proper channels, they wouldn't need a stupid symbolic blockade-blocking flotilla, and 10 of them would still be alive. Maybe they picked up the martyrdom complex from their Palestinian hosts.