Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

[bigjelmapro]

Also please can someone explain how the blockade is legal under international law.

Perhaps you use the same logic that explains how settlement buidling in palastinian land is legal.

Wow, can you get even more blatant with the fallacies?

Perhaps you can take the time to read some of the material on this thread. Make an effort.

 

[Thunder]

Simply put, Israel gets special treatment (in the form of aid, arms, technology, investment, trade and diplomacy), and thus must be held to special standards (ie the same standards the other western countries are held to).

I think what we are really getting at here, is that Israel is held to the same standard as any other modern industrialized Western democracy, and some Israelis just can't stand that.

if Ireland, Spain, France, Germany, Canada, Italy, or Sweden did the things that Israel does, they too would get the same level of criticism. I have ZERO doubt about that.

if the British started massacering folks in Northern Ireland, or Spain in Catalonia, or France in Brittany, or Canada in Quebec, the outrage would be great and fierce.

 

[Pardalis]

There is a huge difference between a bunch of radicalised ill-educated poverty striken extremists killing indiscriminately, and the standing army of a UN member killing non-nationals in international waters to defend a much-condemned and illegal blockade.

Here are the UN member states:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_member_states

Many of them do on a regular basis what you accuse Israel of doing, but yet you are silent about them.

 

[WildCat]

I doubt you'll join me if I organized an anti-Taliban march. Pakistan is not part of the "Western civilized world", why would anyone care, right?

It appears that the Lahore attacks are being blamed on a conspiracy between the US, Israel, and India: http://www.daily.pk/terrorism-an-ideology-or-a-conspiracy-18135/

Not the beloved Taliban! Oh no, it was the Jews and their friends!

 

[Thunder]

Many of them do on a regular basis what you accuse Israel of doing, but yet you are silent about them.

how many of these countries are in Western Europe? how many of these countries have special economic, diplomatic, and military partnerships with the USA?

we treat Israel like we would any country in the EU.

 

[Stout]

That's an interesting thought, but I wasn't really thinking that these protests were intentionally planned in advance.

I was more thinking about how quickly some people react to anything happening in that region, while other regions of the world where similar injustices happen all the time (Sudan, Pakistan, Sri Lanka to name a few) hardly anyone bothers to get out to protest. But Palestine it's almost instantaneous.

I too was clueless as to what happened until 4pm, when I got back from work. How did all these people get organized so quickly in a few hours of the raid on a work day? Maybe it has to do with the new social medias, but even with those it's awfully quick.

It was all done through the wonders of modern technology, cell phones, Twitter and the like. This is what social justice activists call taking the corporations technology and using it against them as they pat themselves on the back for bring clever.

There were "emergency protests" or should I say "EMERGENCY PROTESTS" in Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver yesterday afternoon. Naomi Klein even gave a speech in Toronto and apparently condemned cultural workers, like musicians, who perform in Israel.

Boycotts, now guess those fall under our "new" definition of collective punishment.

So why do those other injustices get ignored while the IvP conflict gets all the attention?

It's an "anti-colonial" thing. Israelis are viewed as white people who forcibly colonised the land of the brown people and since, according to the doctrine of political correctness, only white people can be racist ( no, I'm not making this up, I read babbledotca, daily, I'm a masochist ) this is a prime example of "the dominant society" oppressing "the other"

The protesters might come out in solidarity with, say the Tamils and echo their demands that the Canadian government stop sending aid to the Sri Lanken government ( last summer, Toronto ) and there's a real desire to believe that groups like Al Qaeda and the Taliban are creations of the US government and "blame" for their actions should rest solely with the US.

I've also noticed a refusal to separate radical Islam form normal, everyday Islam and I can only surmise that this is done to allow the protesters to make claims like the west is at war with the Muslim world, simply because they're Muslim.

The glue that holds the radical left together is collective guilt and they use that to try and impose collective punishment on the western world and since Israel is a member of the western world, they feel free to make demands on Israel that the non western world is exempt from.

Heck, the far left is still convinced that the South Korean ship sinking was an inside job.

 

[Skeptic]

Interesting analysis here.

Oh, by the way, you remember yesterday when everybody was shocked at why they sent the commandos with weapons? Well, the Israeli press reports today (and this is confirmed elsewhere), it turns out the commandos were send with special paint-gun like anti-mob equipment, not with heavy weapons but only their personal weapons, for self-defense, since, contrary to the ignorant know-it-alls on this forum, this team of the commando was, apparently, a team specializing in non-lethal takeover -- different teams there have different specializations.

Not that I expect an apology from those who were ranting why Israel sent "killing machine commandoes" instead of people trained in "non-lethal takeovers" now that it turns out that they send precisely such teams. Lying about Israel is never something to apologize about, you know.

But they were attacked with guns and knives and iron bars -- standard equipment in Palestinian "peace activist"'s arsenals, we know -- so, naturally, they shot back. Had they not, they would all have been lynched. So -- as the article says -- nine "civilians" (meaning "activists" in Arabic and "terrorists" in most other languages) were killed.

 

[Stout]

Wow, can you get even more blatant with the fallacies?

Perhaps you can take the time to read some of the material on this thread. Make an effort.

Just to make sure we're on the same page here. You're talking about the 1994 San Remo document ?

 

[DC]

Interesting analysis here.

Oh, by the way, you remember yesterday when everybody was shocked at why they sent the commandos with weapons?

Well, it turns out the commandos were send with special paint-gun like anti-raid equipment, since, contrary to the ignorant know-it-alls on this forum, they were apparently part of a team of the commandos specializing in non-lethal takeover.

But they were attacked with guns and knives and iron bars, so, naturally, they shot back. Had they not, they would all have been lynched.

So -- as the article says -- nine "civilians" (meaning "activists" in Arabic and "terrorists" in most other languages) were killed when the darn Jews dared protect themselves from a lynch.

Ah well.

resisting a boarding is now considered an act of terrorism?

 

[Mashuna]

Israel is going to prosecute activists who resisted an illegal boarding by Israeli soldiers in international waters????? That makes a whole lot of sense.

They were attempting to run a blockade. The Israelis were legally entitled to stop them.

But the blockade is not illegal. Is this becoming another mantra like the one that means nobody can mention the "Iraq War" without prefixing it with the word "Illegal"?

since when is it legal to block almost all trade with a non-soveriegn entity under your ultimate control, just because you disagree with an election?

The Gaza blockade is illegal.

I'm impressed by how many experts on maritime and international law there are in this thread. It's quite cleared up the issues for me.

 

[Thunder]

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177134

Israel threatens to use more force against the next flotilla.

Boy these guys are stupid. Maybe Israel is a masochistic nation.

 

[Thunder]

resisting a boarding is now considered an act of terrorism?

No. Resisting the State of Israel is an act of terrorism. And genocide against Jews.

Didn't you get the memo from Lumberg?

 

[Stout]

So -- as the article says -- nine "civilians" (meaning "activists" in Arabic and "terrorists" in most other languages) were killed when the darn Jews dared protect themselves from a lynch.

Ah well.

Interestingly, freegaza.org is claiming, as of today, 16 killed. Also, nothing more on their claims that people were shot in their sleep, just that statement, none of the video evidence they talked about.

I mean, if they were streaming it live, like they claimed, then somebody must have captured it. Oh wait, they also claims that all cell phone satellite phone communications were being jammed.

 

[Skeptic]

It's an "anti-colonial" thing.

True, but it's also an anti-Arab and anti-Muslim thing.

Arabs and Muslims are mere props; their death doesn't mean anything unless it can be blamed on some white villain (USA, Israel, etc.) in the self-centered activist's morality play. Arabs killing Arabs? Boooooooooooooring.

 

[Dr. Tobias Fünke]

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177134

Israel threatens to use more force against the next flotilla.

Boy these guys are stupid. Maybe Israel is a masochistic nation.

What else would they do, seriously?

By the way: if I had a handgun and some "peacenik" tried to beat me to death with a crowbar, I'd shoot him in the face. Twice.

 

[Skeptic]

resisting a boarding is now considered an act of terrorism?

They're not terrorists because of that, but because they were armed supporters of a terrorist organization on a ship supplying cargo to a terrorist organization, as well as chanting terrorist slogans in favor of genocide ("Jews, remember Kuraytish, [the Jewish tribe massacred by Muhammad]!"), and so on and so forth.

My point was that it was because of their violent resistance that some were killed; had they not, they would not have been killed. They would have been terrorists in any case, as they were before the boarding.

 

[wuschel]

Why are Israeli forces to be denyed the same right to self defence when they conduct boarding operations during a blockade against a state they are at war with?

What state would that be, that they are at war with?

 

[wuschel]

As Virus stated, they had handguns as backups, but were under orders not to use them.

However, to their misfortune, they were only equipped with paintball rifles

Mea culpa! So only in this case only meant "sort of only, in a way"?

 

[Mycroft]

What state would that be, that they are at war with?

I'm trying to understand your point.

Semantically you are correct in that Gaza is not a "state", but it is ruled by Hamas and Hamas is clearly at war with Israel.

Or do you disagree?

I don't think it makes sense that any nation should have less rights to defend itself just because its opponent is not itself a "state". Do you disagree with that as well?

 

[Thunder]

What else would they do, seriously?

By the way: if I had a handgun and some "peacenik" tried to beat me to death with a crowbar, I'd shoot him in the face. Twice.

well, if you stayed off his boat, he wouldn't feel the need to defend himself with a crowbar.

if you try to a steal a car, and the owner hits you with a crowbar, you don't have the right to shoot him in the head.