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Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

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keep applauding them and they will keep *********** things up for your amusement. Its a win-win situation

Since by "*********** things up" you are referring to the incident of stopping ships from violating blockades on genocidal governments and only using deadly force to respond to deadly threats, I think I will keep applauding, thank you very much.
 
LMAO at genocidal :rolleyes: And you have the gumption o accuse others of being Orwellian with their language.
 
LMAO at genocidal :rolleyes: And you have the gumption o accuse others of being Orwellian with their language.

Don't recall accusing anyone in this thread of being Orwellian, only dishonest and inaccurate.

Hasn't been updated in awhile, but it's easy to find Palestinian leaders calling for genocide. Top google result for "palestinian anti-semitic genocidal"

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv part6.html

Last week PMW released the text of this call for the killing of all Americans and Jews, preached by the Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, Dr. Ahmad Bahar on Palestinian television. Israel is referred to as a "cancerous lump, that is the Jews, in the heart of the Arab nation," and the US is said to be "on its way to disappear." Due to its importance PMW is now releasing the subtitled video.
 
Originally Posted by Skeptic
If, in the first world war, a flotilla of ships sailed from Turkey to Germany claiming they are bringing "humanitarian aid" to Germany in violation of the British navy's blockade, you can bet your behind the navy would have sunk them.

Err britian was at war with turkey. Britian wouldn't care where such ships were sailing to. Now Sweden to germany is where things got complicated.

Picky, picky.

Then what would the Union have done if someone had attempted to break the blockade of Confederate ports during the USAn Civil War?
 
Don't recall accusing anyone in this thread of being Orwellian, only dishonest and inaccurate.

Hasn't been updated in awhile, but it's easy to find Palestinian leaders calling for genocide. Top google result for "palestinian anti-semitic genocidal"

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv part6.html

Yes, because a tinpot militia has the ability to wipe out a race defended by one of the worlds most efficient and well equipped nuclear armed forces :rolleyes:
 
Since Hamas was elected democratically, doesn't that make Gazans collectively responsible by definition, and--unlike other communities during wartime--totally deserving of collective punishment?

The way I see it, collective punishment of the Gazan people is only a problem if democracy itself is a problem, or if Gazans did not actually implement a democratic election.

So which is it? Is Hamas a corrupt and criminal organization, that stole the election in Gaza? Or is democracy a bankrupt institution that does not actually represent the will of the people? Or did Gazans intentionally choose to be collectively responsible for electing Hamas?

Hamas won with 100% of the votes in an election where 100% of the voters voted?
 
is Hamas solely a terrorist organisation? Or does it also maintain extensive social services network that the PA Authority failed to keep up?
 
even if Hamas would have won the election with 100%, there were still 25% of the voters that did not vote, what about them? is it ok to punish them?
 
So what are you saying? Only 44.45% should be subject to sanction? Ridiculous.

no some posters seem to think its OK all Palestinians suffer because a minority of the Palestinians voted for Hamas. that is what i call Ridiculous.

its exactly what a radical Palestinian once said in an Interview when talking about 9/11, he said its OK to punish civilians in a democracy as they are directly responsible for the government and its actions.

and here i read the same radical BS from the other side.
 
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The small clinic on the edge of one of the Gaza Strip's biggest refugee camps is one of hundreds of medical centers, food banks, summer camps and schools across the West Bank and Gaza operated by Islamic charities, many of them linked to the Islamic Resistance Movement, better known by its Arabic acronym Hamas.

The militant group's recent victory in parliamentary elections is testimony in part to its long track record on the streets. Its services are often perceived as being of higher quality and less tainted by corruption than the cumbersome and often ineffective social network operated by the Palestinian Authority controlled until now by Fatah.

The work Hamas does at home is an often-overlooked key to the domestic popularity of an organization most known elsewhere for killing. The United States has declared Hamas a terrorist organization, and U.S. and Israeli counter-terrorism experts have cited numerous instances in which Al Qaeda and Hamas drew funding from international Islamic charities. Hamas also reportedly has used schools and hospitals in the West Bank and Gaza to store weapons and plan attacks.

Faced with U.S. and European measures aimed at preventing charity funds from being funneled into terrorism, Hamas has erased many of its traceable financial links to the humanitarian programs. But Hamas figures remain on the boards and in management of the programs, which analysts say have become an essential component of the group's public support.

"Hamas has been very good at compartmentalizing their activities -- where they have a soup kitchen, for example, they simply give soup, nothing more," said Mouin Rabbani of the International Crisis Group, which studied Islamic social activism in the occupied territories. "But it all fits into a broader pattern of popular mobilization and becomes another way of seeking support for the organization."

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/02/world/fg-charity2

and why did they vote for Hamas?
 
no some posters seem to think its OK all Palestinians suffer because a minority of the Palestinians voted for Hamas. that is what i call Ridiculous.

What percentage of Germans voted for the Nazis?:p
 
That site is almost a parody site. He he. Remember your boots in Iraq crap as well? You are good at the made up stuff eh?
So no honest reply to the collective punishment allegation. Stick to the vague definition of the term. And I do quite enjoy the attempt to link this to a hypothetical discussion in another thread, which I did lay on the table.

So another +1 peg to your failure at debate. Ciao.
 
I know that the blockade meets the old effective requirement. The problem is that that standard is generaly considered to have become defunct prior to the founding of israel.
The old effective requirement of stopping some trade isn't applicable here. I've stated the reasoning for this...

WW2 isn't relivant. We know the both sides broke the relivant laws there. Thats why Dönitz got off fairly lightly.
There's not measure of equivalence in the current case. Point out where this naval blockade isn't legitimate and stop trying to draw parallels with WWII (even after your repeated attempts of stating that its irrelevant).

Where the UN hasn't oked it. You are argueing that it is that it is de facto legal.
Quite the contrary. I think your position is that since it wasn't ok'd by the UN, then there lacks any legality and credibility in Israel invoking a naval blockade on Gaza and that this blockade is in addition to the practice of retorsion in a state of conflict.

I've stated the reasoning behind this blockade and the effectiveness of it (as the measure I gave, not the WWII measure). If there's anything you wish to add to this, go right ahead, but as far as I see, you aren't really making an attempt on addressing the issues I've laid out in the previous post.
 
So no honest reply to the collective punishment allegation. Stick to the vague definition of the term. And I do quite enjoy the attempt to link this to a hypothetical discussion in another thread, which I did lay on the table.

So another +1 peg to your failure at debate. Ciao.

what term do you want us to use, when we want to describe the punishment of all palestinians for the acts of a few? like in the case of the blockade for example.

we could aslo call it terror? thats better?
 
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