Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

[Thunder]

How about some evidence that Israel did something wrong first?

they attacked ships filled with civilians carrying humanitarian aid, in international waters.

 

[Thunder]

I decided a new topic with the proper perspective, was in order.

This was a clear case of Israel defending itself against evil Nazi Cossacks.

 

[bit_pattern]

How about some evidence that Israel did something wrong first? I'm so glad there is video of this.

Wot? Like illegally boarding a vessel on the high seas and killing up to 20 people? An Australian journalist was on board, no doubt he will publish his account over the next day or two.

 

[Leif Roar]

I understand that you have declared on this site that you are an Israeli, a member the IDF and a Zionist.

Neither of which has the least bit of relevance to this discourse. Please focus on people's arguments -- such as they are -- rather than their person.

 

[tyr_13]

they attacked ships filled with civilians carrying humanitarian aid, in international waters.

Lie by omission all you like dude, it doesn't impress people who are actually paying attention.

Wot? Like illegally boarding a vessel on the high seas and killing up to 20 people? An Australian journalist was on board, no doubt he will publish his account over the next day or two.

They enforced a navel blockade against a group they are at war with.

Don't want that to happen? Stop the war. Surrender. Say, "We hate you Allah-damned evil Jews but fighting you right now hurts our civilians so we are now at peace."

 

[Thunder]

An Australian journalist was on board, no doubt he will publish his account over the next day or two.

and no doubt, his account cannot be trusted. filthy anti-Semites, the lot of them.

Isn't Mel Gibson from Australia?

 

[Thunder]

Lie by omission all you like dude, it doesn't impress people who are actually paying attention.

and what did I omit?

 

[JihadJane]

cue israel is worse than the Draka in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

There is only one person on this board whose political yardstick is "the Draka".

Neither of which has the least bit of relevance to this discourse. Please focus on people's arguments -- such as they are -- rather than their person.

The information is very relevant to anything you post on this thread.

 

[bit_pattern]

Eye-witness reports conflict with the IDF and it's various mouthpieces. And I'll put a lot more weight on respected journalist Paul McGeough's account of events than the IDF:

http://www.theage.com.au/world/as-m...s-israeli-army-20100531-wq8y.html?autostart=1

Live footage taken from the Turkish passenger boat, which was posted all over the internet, showed black-clad Israeli commandos rappelling down from helicopters and clashing with activists, as well as several wounded people lying on the deck of the ship.

"Under darkness of night, Israeli commandos dropped from a helicopter onto the Turkish passenger ship, Mavi Marmara, and began to shoot the moment their feet hit the deck," according to a report on the website of the Free Gaza Movement.

The shaky footage shows scenes of chaos, with the dark profiles of Israel missile boats looming in the background.

The Israeli army insisted its troops opened fire only after they were attacked with knives, clubs and even live fire.

Fairfax Journalist Paul McGeough and photographer Kate Geraghty were out of communication for some hours after the clash, sparking concern for their welfare.

"We are pleased to report that Paul McGeough and Kate Geraghty, who are among the most experienced and well-trained Australian foreign correspondents, are safe, and being processed in an Israeli detention centre," Sydney Morning Herald Editor in Chief Peter Fray said.

"We remain hopeful that they will be allowed to do their job, and that they will have a terrific story to tell when they are released."

Mr Fray said his company had made representations to the Israeli and Australian governments seeking safe passage for the pair.

 

[bit_pattern]

and no doubt, his account cannot be trusted. filthy anti-Semites, the lot of them.

Isn't Mel Gibson from Australia?

Yeah, copped that in the anti-Semite thread; he was on a terrorist ship, ergo, he must be a terrorist apologist!

 

[bit_pattern]

They enforced a navel blockade against a group they are at war with.

No. They attacked vessels in international waters that were carrying aid. Big difference.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

The point apparently being that you are openly celebrating the latest mass murder by the cowards of the IDF and an act of piracy on the high seas by the same cowardly organisation.

What a disgusting argument.

The israelis suspected it could have been an attempt to smuggle in weapons. They did offer the ships a chance to port so they could inspect it. But the crew refused to allow that to happen.

IIRC, the crew tried to fight the IDF with sticks. Curbstomp battle i know, but it was still trying to fight the IDF, which gave them rights to open fire.

 

[JihadJane]

Don't want that to happen? Stop the war. Surrender. Say, "We hate you Allah-damned evil Jews but fighting you right now hurts our civilians so we are now at peace."

What a dumb thing to write! Why should they "surrender" to terrorist threats against civilians?

The israelis suspected it could have been an attempt to smuggle in weapons.

Bollocks.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Strangely - just as you have just done. Yet another hypocritical argument.

or maybe he's calling a spade a spade here.

This latest massacre merely demonstrates the completely official nature of the pogrom the apartheid government of Israel is waging against innocent Palestinians children. They would rather murder people than let them help the children of Palestine.

How is it a pogrom. When was the last time Israel impaled palestinians and ate their flesh? When was the last time palestinians were flayed alive to baying crowds in Jerusalem and tel aviv?

If Israel is an apartheid government then why does it allow arabs to vote and hold office? Then why does it not try to segregate the two?

Let us see all watch in contempt as the site zionists enthusiastically support the mass murder by the IDF and watch in contempt as they try and justify this latest massacre.

what? by supporting Israel's right to enforce a blockade? it has every right under international law. they had reasonable suspicions that these ships were trying to smuggle in weapons or explosives. The RN and USN do it all the time when they seize drugs ships.

I note that they have already started onto do so on this thread. How disgusting.

how is it disgusting?

Pip Pip.

 

[bit_pattern]

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[Thunder]

IIRC, the crew tried to fight the IDF with sticks. Curbstomp battle i know, but it was still trying to fight the IDF, which gave them rights to open fire.

and we all know, only Nazis dare to fight the all-mighty, all-powerful, IDF.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

I understand that you have declared on this site that you are an Israeli, a member the IDF and a Zionist. Please tell us if this is wrong because it explains your celebration of the latest massacre by the IDF of people trying to bring humanitarian supplies to the children of Gaza and their act of piracy on the high seas.

It wasnt a massacre - it was a curbstomp/skirmish. And please don't appeal to emotion with fallacies such as "think of the children" - The military are trained to suspect that there could be weapons in there. And if the crew had nothing to hide, then why did they try to resist then?

Piracy is illegal but committing illegal acts never stopped the cowards in the IDF, as the world knows from all the other massacres, including the massive act of murder of Palestinian children in Gaza in operation Cast White Phosphorus.

This wasnt piracy. This was enforcing a blockade which any nation is entitled to do. And i recommend Colonel Richard Kemp's testimony to the UN regarding Cast Lead.

I would like to invite the IDF officers who commanded this massacre to visit the UK where they will be arrested for yet another crime against humanity. But the world knows that, as they have already demonstrated on multiple occasions, they are too cowardly to come.

So by that logic any military operation ever is a crime against humanity.

And Oh, joy, Gordon brown managed to get rid of frivolous cases like the one you suggest.

Happily, they will be arrested in due course for their crimes and tried in a proper court of law.

For what crimes? Protecting their shores? That's their Duty. They swore to protect their country against all enemies.

 

[geni]

How about some evidence that Israel did something wrong first? I'm so glad there is video of this.

Lets assume that the boarding operation was legal. So what did isreal do wrong. First you have troop selection.

Shayetet 13 are a commando unit. Trained to go in hard a violently. A good choice when dealing with say iranian naval units and sort of okey for hostage rescue but a really bad choice when dealing with an entirely civilian crew with complicated friend/foe issues. There is a reason that in the US such matters would be delt with by the costguard rather than say delta force.

Timing. Hitting people at night is a reasonable option in some cases but again not a good choice when dealing with a civilian crew. People who've just woken up are not going to react too rationaly which when you've got a bunch of adrenalin fueled commandos around is a problem.

Other issues are still somwhat hazy.

 

[Leif Roar]

The information is very relevant to anything you post on this thread.

I ensure you, Skeptic's pedigree is completely irrelevant to anything I post anywhere.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

and we all know, only Nazis dare to fight the all-mighty, all-powerful, IDF.

Put it yuo you this way. If i was driving my car across the border and the police wanted to inspect my car, if i tried to hit them, they'd have every right to beat the living daylights out of and arrest me.