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[JoeTheJuggler]

That was an incredible timing of the descent, to go from so high, plummet rapidly down so low and level off precisely to strike the WTC tower. Easy enough for a pre-programmed flight of course, but otherwise it must have been Allah himself directing the pilot.

Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.

 

[Sledge]

I agree with you, little grey rabbit, that it's simply appalling that people terrified for their lives in an aircraft diving at 5,000 feet per minute can't be more accurate with their choice of words. Didn't these people realise that their last words on this Earth would be pored over by moronic conspiracy theorists for years to come? Honestly, some people.

 

[A W Smith]

Just returning to this fascinating subject.

I was looking at this picture again
http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/2/2/376965454.jpg

Now the only footage I have seen of the plane striking the 2nd tower, it seems to come out of nowhere but flying relatively level, does its turn and strikes perpendicular with excellent penetration.

That was an incredible timing of the descent, to go from so high, plummet rapidly down so low and level off precisely to strike the WTC tower. Easy enough for a pre-programmed flight of course, but otherwise it must have been Allah himself directing the pilot.

I was reading wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_175
and it says

It must have been dropping like an absolute stone.

Graph is very misleading Here i will let you do the math. 500 mph is 44000 feet per minute traveled. Pick whatever drop in altitude, 5000 fpm or 10000 fpm, Whatever blows your dress up.

http://www.1728.com/gradient.htm

Tell me what angle of decent that is in degrees, ( I already know) Then get back to me with your rocks and we can play. Mkay?

 

[little grey rabbit]

Graph is very misleading Here i will let you do the math. 500 mph is 44000 feet per minute traveled. Pick whatever drop in altitude, 5000 fpm or 10000 fpm, Whatever blows your dress up.

http://www.1728.com/gradient.htm

Tell me what angle of decent that is in degrees, ( I already know) Then get back to me with your rocks and we can play. Mkay?

No idea, but will accept your answer without question.

So you say the air traffic controllers were wrong? That this is not an unprecedented descent for a commercial airliner?

Its things like this is why I just love JREF.

 

[TJM]

That this is not an unprecedented descent for a commercial airliner?

No.

 

[little grey rabbit]

I expect that the passengers on that particular aeroplane would not have been on the phone saying the plane is jerking around and I think we might be descending. Not wanting to get all pedantic or anything, but it does appear to me that flight was plummeting out of control.

but your article does contain this

For comparison, a normal rate of descent for an airliner would be 1800 feet per minute

 

[TJM]

I expect that the passengers on that particular aeroplane would not have been on the phone saying the plane is jerking around and I think we might be descending. Not wanting to get all pedantic or anything, but it does appear to me that flight was plummeting out of control.

but your article does contain this

Flight 175 was plummeting in control. The point being that the truther canard of "impossible speed" is wrong. Sure, sustained high speed can damage an airliner but that was of no concern to someone who intended to crash it in the first place.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Flight 175 was plummeting in control. The point being that the truther canard of "impossible speed" is wrong. Sure, sustained high speed can damage an airliner but that was of no concern to someone who intended to crash it in the first place.

I am not aware of a truther claim of impossible speed, I made no such claim. I said unusual speed, speed at which that would be uttermost on the person's mind who made a phone call.

Moreover speed that would be enormously difficult to coordinate with a precise perpendicular strike on the WTC.

Easy for a computer programmed flight path, however.

 

[TJM]

I am not aware of a truther claim of impossible speed, I made no such claim. I said unusual speed, speed at which that would be uttermost on the person's mind who made a phone call.

Moreover speed that would be enormously difficult to coordinate with a precise perpendicular strike on the WTC.

Easy for a computer programmed flight path, however.

It doesn't take an ace to crash a plane into a huge building. The hijacker pilot demonstrated no extraordinary flying skills.

 

[newton3376]

I am not aware of a truther claim of impossible speed, I made no such claim.

After reading this thread...it's obvious that there are many things you are "unaware" of.....physics being one of them...

I said unusual speed,

Maybe you were sleeping on 9/11 so just in case you were....

There were terrorists trying to CRASH the plane on 9/11....CRASHING is anything but "usual"...especially when you are deliberately trying to hit a building.....maybe try reading my last few comments really really slowly in really large font....perhaps that will help?

speed at which that would be uttermost on the person's mind who made a phone call.

Um yeah....because if someone thinks they are going to die....the first thing they think is "Gee I better accurately report the average downward acceleration and velocity to my loved ones...."

Ever think what was "on the person's mind" was saying goodbye to a loved one and trying to remain as calm as possible during the last conversation they would ever have? Of course you didn't.....you tend to miss things that require critical thinking or common sense...

Moreover speed that would be enormously difficult to coordinate with a precise perpendicular strike on the WTC.

And you know this because........?

How many planes have you tried to crash into high rise buildings lately?

Can you quantify "enormously difficult" or maybe explain "precise perpendicular strike" for us? I mean since you are the "expert" on crashing jet liners into buildings....please enlighten us with your wealth of knowledge.

Easy for a computer programmed flight path, however.

Because you are an expert in software for commercial airliners too? How "easy" is "easy"?

Some of us missed the "9/11 truther canned talking points" videos....so we might need you to explain the things you are saying that seem to be moronic, idiotic, and retarded at face value....

My advice would be to just pretend you never posted anything at all......

 

[little grey rabbit]

It doesn't take an ace to crash a plane into a huge building. The hijacker pilot demonstrated no extraordinary flying skills.

No one said it took an ace to crash a plane into a tall narrow building.

What it does take an ace to do is time you descent to the last minute, dropping beyond normal commercial parameters to level out just before the WTC, then do a last second bank and turn to hit strike perpendicular.

When you have never flown before.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

No idea, but will accept your answer without question.

So you say the air traffic controllers were wrong? That this is not an unprecedented descent for a commercial airliner?

No it's not unprecedented, it's unusual because airline pilots care about the safety and comfort of their passengers, a care that the hijackers didn't have. Go look up "Vomit comet" for an example of why it's not unprecedented.

 

[little grey rabbit]

No it's not unprecedented, it's unusual because airline pilots care about the safety and comfort of their passengers, a care that the hijackers didn't have. Go look up "Vomit comet" for an example of why it's not unprecedented.

I think we have established "unprecendented" was the wrong word. However extreme and highly unusual is not.

The question is would such a rate of descent have been very very apparent to the passengers on their phones?

My opinion is yes. But the record seems to suggest otherwise....

 

[Bell]

No one said it took an ace to crash a plane into a tall narrow building.

The WTC towers were anything but narrow.

What it does take an ace to do is time you descent to the last minute, dropping beyond normal commercial parameters to level out just before the WTC, then do a last second bank and turn to hit strike perpendicular.

When you have never flown before.

Have you ever seen the WTC? They were the most visible landmarks for miles. All the pilots had to do was line up the airplanes, keep aiming at the towers.

Kind of like what you do if you try to navigate a door opening (i'm assuming you never walk yourself into the doorpost?)

 

[Bell]

I think we have established "unprecendented" was the wrong word. However extreme and highly unusual is not.

The question is would such a rate of descent have been very very apparent to the passengers on their phones?

My opinion is yes. But the record seems to suggest otherwise....

Your opinion means exactly diddly squat.

Eta: Misread what you said here. But if the passengers noted the descent rate, that is not saying they should have reported it to their loved ones.

 

[TJM]

No one said it took an ace to crash a plane into a tall narrow building.

Nobody except you.

What it does take an ace to do is time you descent to the last minute, dropping beyond normal commercial parameters to level out just before the WTC, then do a last second bank and turn to hit strike perpendicular.

When you have never flown before.

The hijackers had taken flight lessons. They flew before 9/11. That's 9/11 101. You're not very good at this, are you.

 

[dafydd]

No one said it took an ace to crash a plane into a tall narrow building.

What it does take an ace to do is time you descent to the last minute, dropping beyond normal commercial parameters to level out just before the WTC, then do a last second bank and turn to hit strike perpendicular.

When you have never flown before.

They had flown before.You appear to know very little about this subject.

 

[Telltale Tom]

I am not aware of a truther claim of impossible speed, I made no such claim. I said unusual speed, speed at which that would be uttermost on the person's mind who made a phone call.

Moreover speed that would be enormously difficult to coordinate with a precise perpendicular strike on the WTC.

Easy for a computer programmed flight path, however.

Yes I am sure Brer Rabbit could be correct.

Everything is controlled by computers these days and we have all seen movies of computers taking over control of planes and trains and security systems and tracking individuals and turning on and off traffic lights to help people escape. Perhaps thats how it was done?

So perhaps thats why we didn't hear much from the cockpit. The transmitter was probably turned off by the computer. I can just imagine the poor terrorists in the cockpit saying, help we were only hijacking the plane for peaceful purposes and it keeps heading straight for the WTC...let me out of this cockpit, some computer has locked the door.

Is that how you imagine it happened Brer Rabbit.?

I am not sure I agree but I can understand why this makes sense to some of the faithful at ae911truth.

 

[A W Smith]

No idea, but will accept your answer without question.

So you say the air traffic controllers were wrong? That this is not an unprecedented descent for a commercial airliner?

Its things like this is why I just love JREF.

Wassamatter wabbit? Doncha want a carrot? I posted the link up there for ya. Did you see the results and discover your increduilty game was all over? Cmon. tell us all. Whats the angle??
http://www.1728.com/gradient.htm

Do it!

It's evasiveness like this is why I love taunting twoofers. Got anything lil bunny?

While we are waiting for lil bunny to not respond. lets watch a film

 

[dafydd]

Yes I am sure Brer Rabbit could be correct.

Everything is controlled by computers these days and we have all seen movies of computers taking over control of planes and trains and security systems and tracking individuals and turning on and off traffic lights to help people escape. Perhaps thats how it was done?

So perhaps thats why we didn't hear much from the cockpit. The transmitter was probably turned off by the computer. I can just imagine the poor terrorists in the cockpit saying, help we were only hijacking the plane for peaceful purposes and it keeps heading straight for the WTC...let me out of this cockpit, some computer has locked the door.

Is that how you imagine it happened Brer Rabbit.?

I am not sure I agree but I can understand why this makes sense to some of the faithful at ae911truth.

You are having an off day,aren't you? Your reply on another thread wasn't up to your usual standard either.