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Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Bruce Fisher said:
You and the Massei report. If Massei says it, then it must be true. No other proof needed. The report is Massei's interpretation of the evidence. The report is not evidence.

Mignini wasn't sure what time Meredith died. He simply adjusted the time to fit his theories. If his theory changed, he just changed the time.

Meredith's time of death is inconclusive.
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How inconclusive?

No coroner's report? Or were there multiple reports for whenever Mignini changed his mind. I guess the coroner was suborned into the great conspiracy as well.

Maybe just incompetent. Can't expect those backward Eyetalians to be able to handle something as sophisticated as time of death for a ~16 hr. old body. That level of technology is barely a century old.

How conclusive does it need to be? What level of precision do you claim is required? How conclusive is the evidence of Sollecito and Knoxs' whereabouts? They can't even agree with each other.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
I hope everyone has a great weekend. I am posting this again because it is very important. This post completely destroys the theory made by the guilters that Meredith's locked door proves that more than one person was involved.

Everyone should try this at home. Walk out of a door that closes like Meredith's door. In other words, find a door that swings closed in the same direction. Exit the room leading with your left foot. Use your right hand to pull the door closed. When you put your left foot on the floor make sure your toes are pointing at an angle toward your right. Keep your hand on the handle of the door the entire time as you close it. Now, your right foot is free to land anywhere you like. If you make this very natural motion, you will close the door and your body will be nearly facing the door. Now ask yourself if it would feel like a natural position to lock that door.

Make the motion to lock the door. Proceed with tour right foot in the direction that your left foot is facing.

With a very natural motion, you just repeated the movements of Rudy when he left Meredith's room. He stepped out of the room with his left foot. His foot was angled toward the front door. His toes were not directly facing the door but the angle was leading in that direction. He closed the door with his right hand. He inserted the key with his right hand. Then he walked out the front door.

Try it a few times. It is a very natural motion.

The hall was walked on my many people the morning following the murder. There is no doubt that the evidence on the floor was compromised. From the evidence that we do have, Rudy's shoe prints, set in Meredith's blood, show very clearly that Rudy could have easily closed the door, locked it and left the cottage.


Keep in mind, The most likely scenario based on the evidence shows that Rudy had already left the room once. He went into the bathroom to do a quick clean up. When he left the room the first time, he left the blood on the inside handle.

After he cleaned up, he went back in the room, went through Meredith's purse, took the cell phones, credit cards and possibly money and left.

When he left the room the second time, he stepped in blood with his left shoe. The door was open. He pulled the door closed and locked it with his right hand.


What I have said here is a very logical view of the crime scene based on the evidence. It takes elaborate plans by Amanda and Raffaele and theories of an impossible clean up effort to add Amanda and Raffaele to the crime.

The most logical conclusion, Amanda and Raffaele weren't there.
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Great. Then Rudy's footprints should reflect that action, shouldn't they?

Unfortunately, for you (and your long post), they don't.
 
capealadin said:
Well, Bruce, why would Rudi lock the door? Why would he care who found Meredith or when?
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There are always unanswered questions in any murder case. I do not know why Rudy locked the door.

There is no evidence whatsoever showing that Amanda or Raffaele locked the door. Rudy left his shoe prints, set in Meredith's blood, on the floor as he walked out of the room and left the cottage.

The most logical conclusion would suggest that Rudy locked the door.

Lack of proof showing that Rudy actually locked the door certainly doesn't do anything to prove that Amanda or Raffaele did.
 
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Fulcanelli said:
Great. Then Rudy's footprints should reflect that action, shouldn't they?

Unfortunately, for you (and your long post), they don't.
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Yes they do. Rudy's shoe prints reflect exactly what I said. You need to review the shoe prints again.

The Shoe print outside of Meredith's door is angled toward the front door. That shoe print is facing in the exact position it should be facing for Rudy to lock the door.


Try opening the door like I said. Get out of your chair and try it.
 
WoW!!! Bruce, Rudi doesn,t care that he's left his footprints in the cottage, but he goes to near impossible care to show that he's the one who locked the door? Why, does he get extra credit? Does he get a lighter sentence? I did ballet, and am still very light on my feet and agile. I just about got cramp, and it still didn,t work. Rudi admits he was there, touched Meredith when she was bleeding. It makes no sense, imo, to go to such elaborate lengths to lock a door. Again, to what purpose?
 
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quadraginta said:
How inconclusive?

No coroner's report? Or were there multiple reports for whenever Mignini changed his mind. I guess the coroner was suborned into the great conspiracy as well.

Maybe just incompetent. Can't expect those backward Eyetalians to be able to handle something as sophisticated as time of death for a ~16 hr. old body. That level of technology is barely a century old.

How conclusive does it need to be? What level of precision do you claim is required? How conclusive is the evidence of Sollecito and Knoxs' whereabouts? They can't even agree with each other.
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The Italian authorities did not take the temperature of Meredith's body for almost two days. This was unhelpful in terms of getting the time of death.
 
quadraginta said:
How inconclusive?

No coroner's report? Or were there multiple reports for whenever Mignini changed his mind. I guess the coroner was suborned into the great conspiracy as well.

Maybe just incompetent. Can't expect those backward Eyetalians to be able to handle something as sophisticated as time of death for a ~16 hr. old body. That level of technology is barely a century old.

How conclusive does it need to be? What level of precision do you claim is required? How conclusive is the evidence of Sollecito and Knoxs' whereabouts? They can't even agree with each other.
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Well, the place the whole premise breaks down is the fact that the judges don't make their decisions based on what 'Mignini' says in court, but on what all the experts say...be they for the defence, victims or prosecution. Of course, Bruce and his chums are all about making this about Mignini...which is a total red herring. It has nothing to do with Mignini (neither the verdict not the motivations for it). In fact, where one to scan Massei's report...one would be hard pressed to find a single mention of Mignini in the actual text at all.
 
Oh, wait!! It would HAVE to happen that way, right, in order for it not to be Amanda and Raffaele. This locking of the door creates huge problems for them. IMO.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Mignini changed Meredith's time of death. That means he wasn't sure. They waited to long to get an accurate time of death.
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How, exactly, did Mignini change the ToD? Did he alter autopsy documents, a coroner's report, the core body temp. readings at the scene?

Who are "they". Are you claiming that the handling of the body was done improperly? How long did "they" wait? How exactly did this affect the ToD estimate? What change in accuracy are you claiming? +/- One hr? Two?

Are these just aimless accusations being flung at the nearest wall, or do you have some substance to share with us about these claims?
 
capealadin said:
WoW!!! Bruce, Rudi doesn,t care that he's left his footprints in the cottage, but he goes to near impossible care to show that he's the one who locked the door? Why, does he get extra credit? Does he get a lighter sentence? I did ballet, and am still very light on my feet and agile. I just about got cramp, and it still didn,t work. Rudi admits he was there, touched Meredith when she was bleeding. It makes no sense, imo, to go to such elaborate lengths to lock a door. Again, to what purpose?
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Did you read anything I wrote? It is a very natural motion. You step out of the room with your left foot. As you are leaving the room, you pull the door closed with your right hand.

Stop right there. You are now nearly facing the door!!!!

Now you lock the door and walk out of the cottage.

You have wrong information. I have the photographs of the shoe prints. This was not an elaborate attempt to lock a door. It was a very quick and natural motion.
 
Has anyone actually tried this or are you just here to argue?

Walk out of a door that closes like Meredith's door. In other words, find a door that swings closed in the same direction. Exit the room leading with your left foot. Use your right hand to pull the door closed. When you put your left foot on the floor make sure your toes are pointing at an angle toward your right. Keep your hand on the handle of the door the entire time as you close it. Now, your right foot is free to land anywhere you like. If you make this very natural motion, you will close the door and your body will be nearly facing the door. Now ask yourself if it would feel like a natural position to lock that door.

Make the motion to lock the door. Proceed with tour right foot in the direction that your left foot is facing.

With a very natural motion, you just repeated the movements of Rudy when he left Meredith's room. He stepped out of the room with his left foot. His foot was angled toward the front door. His toes were not directly facing the door but the angle was leading in that direction. He closed the door with his right hand. He inserted the key with his right hand. Then he walked out the front door.

Try it a few times. It is a very natural motion.
 
katy_did said:
If he hadn't had an alibi, I'm betting they would've found things to tie him to the crime, especially witnesses who'd seen him (they already had Gioffredi). His cell phone connecting to a tower near Via della Pergola has never been explained, as far as I know.
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This again is an allegation that the Perugia authorities plant or fabricate evidence. We're definitely veering from LIHOP to MIHOP in the convictions of RG, AK, and RS.
 
Bruce: The first problem is stepping out of the door with your left foot ( oh, Daniel Day Lewis, right). It continues downhill from there.
 
capealadin said:
Bruce: The first problem is stepping out of the door with your left foot ( oh, Daniel Day Lewis, right). It continues downhill from there.
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Why? This makes no sense at all. Are we done with actual discussion? Are we going to distract the facts with more nonsense?
 
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halides1 said:
The Italian authorities did not take the temperature of Meredith's body for almost two days. This was unhelpful in terms of getting the time of death.
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I guess so. After two days why would they bother taking it at all? After much more than one day it starts going back up again.

How do we know this? I haven't seen it mentioned before. Did the defense bring up sloppy (non-existent?) forensic pathology in the trial?
 
quadraginta said:
I guess so. After two days why would they bother taking it at all? After much more than one day it starts going back up again.

How do we know this? I haven't seen it mentioned before. Did the defense bring up sloppy (non-existent?) forensic pathology in the trial?
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This is a known fact. It would easily account for error of a couple of hours in either direction.

The time of Meredith's death is inconclusive.

This has been discussed at great length. I am sure you are well aware of this.
 
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