Moderated Views on George Galloway.

Zeuzzz said:
Galloway does not support the Taliban, neither does he support Hamas, he can often be quoted saying things that can be portrayed as this as he supports peoples right to defense. If that means that an afghanistani whos village has been invaded by occupying forces and has maybe lost some relatives to occupying forces, naturally this person would feel like he has to stop this happening. As a lot of afghanis do. Thus when he fires at troops galloway supports his right to do this, even though troops might classify him as taliban.
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He picks and chooses what terrorists he calls freedom fighters.

I think that most afghanis are a bit confused about why forces are there. The Taliban are awful regressive people but afghanistan was far better under their rule than post invasion. I dont support the Taliban, neither does galloway, he sees them as individuals with rights to defence.
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This is complete poppycock. Try checking the survey I gave JihadJane previously that debunked that crap.
 
Pardalis said:
His words are loud and clear.
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I could make a similar video "proving" that the US committed genocide in Iraq.

It would also be interesting to see your evidence for the claim that there was a massacre in Tiananmen Square.
 
JihadJane said:
I could make a similar video "proving" that the US committed genocide in Iraq.

It would also be interesting to see your evidence for the claim that there was a massacre in Tiananmen Square.
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You are joking aren't you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

An intelligence report received by the Soviet politburo estimated that 3,000 protesters were killed, according to a document found in the Soviet archive.[1]
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I would have thought the source would be good enough for you.
 
lionking said:
You are joking aren't you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
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Did you bother to read what it says in your link?

BBC 2 June 2009 James Miles, who was the BBC's Beijing correspondent at the time, stated:

I and others conveyed the wrong impression. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square… Protesters who were still in the square when the army reached it were allowed to leave after negotiations with martial law troops (Only a handful of journalists were on hand to witness this moment…​

Sinomania maintain that there was a Spanish film crew in the square who filmed the last 5000 students leaving the square just before dawn on June 4 after negotiating safe passage with the military. Richard Roth of CBS reported that he and a colleague were on the south portico of the Great Hall of the People (which forms one of the borders of the Square)led by Richard Roth. In the words of eyewitness CBS news correspondent Richard Roth:

"Derek Williams and I were driven in a pair of army jeeps right through the square, almost along its full length, and into the Forbidden City. Dawn was just breaking. There were hundreds of troops in the square ... But we saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a "massacre" had recently occurred in that place... some have found it uncomfortable that all this conforms with what the Chinese government has always claimed, perhaps with a bit of sophistry: that there was no "massacre in Tiananmen Square."​

On the morning of 5 June protesters tried to enter the blocked square but were shot at by the soldiers. The soldiers shot them in the back when they were running away. These actions were repeated several times.


I would have thought the source would be good enough for you.
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Why would you have thought that, lionking?


There are various estimates (listed in your wikipedia link - see Number of deaths) about how many people died during the suppression of the protests but there is a general agreement that most (including soldiers), if not all, died not in Tiananmen Square but in battles in surrounding streets.
 
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I mean, seriously, is there a genuine debate about there not being killings (if massacre is too emotive word for some) in Tiananmen Square?
 
lionking said:
Fine. You DC also denies deaths in Tiananmen Square. Good to know.
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no i dont, but i would not claim my oppinion is based on facts, its more based on my dislike against that totalitarian regime there, and the one video i saw as a kid and will never forget, the famous one, the guy standing in front of the tank. I never doubtet it, and actually when i read JJ's quotes, it was the first time i realized that some have other oppinions about it.
 
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The scumbag Galloway was moving goalposts much like we have just seen a poster here do. It was only when he was caught red handed telling lies about there being no massacre, that he shifted to no massacre in the Square.

He is technically correct with his goalpost shift, as the massacre took pace just outside the square. It takes nothing away from the fact he was initially trying to deny a heinous act took place.
 
funk de fino said:
The scumbag Galloway was moving goalposts much like we have just seen a poster here do. It was only when he was caught red handed telling lies about there being no massacre, that he shifted to no massacre in the Square.

He is technically correct with his goalpost shift, as the massacre took pace just outside the square. It takes nothing away from the fact he was initially trying to deny a heinous act took place.
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And don't forget his "The Day The Soviet Union Fell Was The Saddest Day Of My Life" statement.
For all he recent support of Islamic FUndamentalism, at heart Galloway is good old fashioned Hard Line Marxist.
 
funk de fino said:
Apparently he is on Question Time this week. Should be interesting.
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:rolleyes:

And in the week in which Israel is in the news.

Given that Abbott and Portillo are no longer on This Week, replaced by David Davis and Hazel Blears (WTF?), my politics evening will be reduced to Newsnight alone.

I hope 'Former MP' George Galloway is used, not 'Palestinian freedom fighter' as he'd probably prefer to be known as. It must be a source of disappointment for him that he'll be on a panel with nobody (presumably) defending Israel.
 
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