Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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The Oral Torah is more important than written the Written Torah.
1. What? Why is this even here?

To show just how important oral tradition was at that time of no paper and little public literacy. Few people in here are aware just how important oral tradition was in that culture. How else are you going to pass on history to the vast majority of people who were illiterate at that time. We've just scratched the surface of the subject of oral tradition.
 
You know full well that this type of equivocation is complete nonsense, DOC.

Or didn't they cover it in your logic course.

This rubbish is why you have not convinced one single person that you have any evidence that the New Testament writers told the truth.

Are you saying they don't call experts in courtrooms to voice their opinions?
 
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You know full well that this type of equivocation is complete nonsense, DOC.

Or didn't they cover it in your logic course.

This rubbish is why you have not convinced one single person that you have any evidence that the New Testament writers told the truth.


Are you saying they don't call experts in courtrooms to voice there opinions?


No, I'm not saying any such thing, and you know it.

Stop this irrelevant nonsense and tell me how many people you have convinced that we have evidence that the New Testament Writers told the truth.


How many, DOC?
 
Ramsay is an expert and expert's opinions are evidence in courtrooms.

You may want to ask yourself if his opinions are still held to be valid today with all the information and archeologícal evidence (or lack thereof) that has come to light since circa 1909.
 
To show just how important oral tradition was at that time of no paper and little public literacy. Few people in here are aware just how important oral tradition was in that culture.
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Few people 'in here' appear to know less about the subject than you do, DOC.

That's why you're 'arguments' are being thrashed so badly.


How else are you going to pass on history to the vast majority of people who were illiterate at that time. We've just scratched the surface of the subject of oral tradition.
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That's because it's irrelevant.

Any chance of you getting back to the topic?
 
5000 New Testament manuscripts:
1. this is irrelevant to whether or not the story is true...

It's certainly adds weight to the fact that something big was happening. And there would have been a lot more manuscripts if some of the Roman emperors didn't order the destruction of Christian writings -- not to mention the destruction of the Christians themselves.
 
It's certainly adds weight to the fact that something big was happening. And there would have been a lot more manuscripts if some of the Roman emperors didn't order the destruction of Christian writings -- not to mention the destruction of the Christians themselves.
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It adds no weight whatsoever to the case for the New Testament writers having told the truth.

None.

The rest of your response is even more meaningless.



Where are the people whom you've convinced, DOC?
 
To show just how important oral tradition was at that time of no paper and little public literacy. Few people in here are aware just how important oral tradition was in that culture. How else are you going to pass on history to the vast majority of people who were illiterate at that time. We've just scratched the surface of the subject of oral tradition.

Clearly, if there was little written down, oral tradition will be more 'important' than literature since more information will be transmitted that way. Its 'importance' has nothing to do with how reliable oral tradition is.
 
Clearly, if there was little written down, oral tradition will be more 'important' than literature since more information will be transmitted that way. Its 'importance' has nothing to do with how reliable oral tradition is.

Well, I've already shown how one rabbi believes it was actually more reliable than written evidence at that time.

Here is more about the importance of the oral tradition at that time:

http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/orality01.html
 
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Well, I've already shown how one rabbi believes it was actually more reliable than written evidence at that time.

Here is more about the importance of the oral tradition at that time:

http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/orality01.html


What does the importance of rabbinic oral traditions have to do with evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth, DOC?




How's that list of people that you've convinced coming along?
 
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Ramsay is an expert and expert's opinions are evidence in courtrooms.
Only if they have ACTUAL evidence to back their opinions up. And by the way, Birth Certificates are evidence in courtrooms too :p .


DOC:
And there would have been a lot more manuscripts if some of the Roman emperors didn't order the destruction of Christian writings...
You mean like the Manuscripts destroyed in 325CE by other Christians at the Nicene Council under the authority of Roman Emperor Constantine? You know, like the Gnostic and the Arian (not to be confused with Aryan) ones, which offered very different Cosmological interpretations of the surviving scriptures.

Even the surviving scriptures lend themselves to more than one interpretation of "Truth" despite the attempt to excise offending material. That might make it a bit difficult to prove "why we know the New Testament writers told the truth," don't you think?

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To show just how important oral tradition was at that time of no paper and little public literacy. Few people in here are aware just how important oral tradition was in that culture. How else are you going to pass on history to the vast majority of people who were illiterate at that time. We've just scratched the surface of the subject of oral tradition.
oral tradition = change the story to keep up with the times.
 
Well, I've already shown how one rabbi believes it was actually more reliable than written evidence at that time.
Most Rabbis don't believe Jesus was even the Messiah, let alone the son of god.
 
Ok, I'm calling "foul". For all of you who claim to be skeptics, turn in your cards. You are behaving in a very non-skeptical manner. You have 1900+ pieces of evidence in this thread alone, not to mention the other dozen or so threads, that DOC is not an honest debater. He will not listen to reason. He will only engage in fallicious argumentation, ignoring meaningful posts and only post non-sequitors, appeals to authority and popularity, tautalogical reasonings and other fallacies to the one-liners we shoot off. If you want to go back to ridicule, then that's fine - it's what he deserves at this point - but to continue to engage is just stupid.
 
Ok, I'm calling "foul". For all of you who claim to be skeptics, turn in your cards. You are behaving in a very non-skeptical manner. You have 1900+ pieces of evidence in this thread alone, not to mention the other dozen or so threads, that DOC is not an honest debater. He will not listen to reason. He will only engage in fallicious argumentation, ignoring meaningful posts and only post non-sequitors, appeals to authority and popularity, tautalogical reasonings and other fallacies to the one-liners we shoot off. If you want to go back to ridicule, then that's fine - it's what he deserves at this point - but to continue to engage is just stupid.


If by "ridicule" you mean "making the subject appear ridiculous", meaningful and intelligent engagement with DOC does the trick quite well.
 
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