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Noah's Ark found?

The good folks at answersingenesis have posted a good chronology explaining exactly when Noah's flood occurred

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v4/i1/noahs_flood.asp


At the end of the article, it notes the same problem I noted, that if the Bible is true, then all of the civilizations known to us from history and archeology have to go back no longer than 2304 BC. It says it will address this in later articles.

Should be amusing.

There's this nice tidbit:

Thirdly, I assume that since the Bible is God’s revealed word to man, it is accurate and therefore will not conflict with true historical information derived from outside the Biblical text.

Yep historical records must conform to the Bible or they're wrong not the Bible.

If we grant his assumption what good is any book other than the Bible.

Makes for a small library.
 
I didn't read the whole thing, but I read enough to get what I was looking for. Assuming that the second site listed is typical of literalist belief, the dominant belief is that all written records are post deluge.

Here's where I have a problem with that. According to the Bible, 335 years passed between the time of the flood, and the birth of Abram. (That's Abraham for those not up on your Old Testament. Abram was his given name, which he changed to Abraham after he became the first Jew.) Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph led relatively normal, only slightly extended, lifespans. Joseph went to the land of Egypt, where he was apparently present at the court of a Middle Egyptian Pharoah. A few generations later, we have Moses, who is traditionally associated with Ramses, although I suppose that could be in error. Either way, though, after Moses, we get into some historically verifiable events for which we have written records, and so can be dated more precisely.

Unfortunately for a literal interpretation of the Bible, Egyptian written records extend back more than 335 years before what must have been the time of Abraham. Meanwhile, Chinese and Indian civilizations have continuous historical records that would extend back to antedeluvian eras, if the chronology of the descendants of Shem in Genesis is to be believed.

How do literalists get around this problem of reconciling the independent historical records that would extend Egyptian, Chinese, and Indian civilization back into an era that would predate the flood if the Bible were to be believed?

That's an excellent counterargument. I'll research the question and see what I can find.
 
That's an excellent counterargument. I'll research the question and see what I can find.

The only answer someone with your critical thinking skills is going to be able to find, is the link I already posted.

which even you must know is complete and utter fabricated nonsense not supported by anything but evidence free faith.

I have noticed as well that you constantly need to shore up your faith with supporting evidence, you have missed the point completely in that faith with supporting evidence is not faith, its just evidence. Which means to anyone whos currently reading this, that if your faith is the kind that needs constant evidence to support it, that you don't actually have any real faith. Which of course means theres more chance of that Camel passing through the eye of a needle than of you ever attaining paradise

or did you forget

Ephesians 2:8-9 said:
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
;)
 
I did find that the history of ancient China and India is not as well documented as I thought. While artifacts testify to the ancient lineage of civilizations around the globe, only Egypt and Sumer seem to have solid documetary evidence of antedeluvian dates.

Still, there are lots of reliably dateable events from those civilizations, and even a few living trees that extend past the 2304 BC deadline, so I will be curious what Radrook uncovers by way of explanation.
 
I did find that the history of India is not as well documented as I thought.
wiki said:
The Indus Valley Civilization has its earliest roots in cultures such as that of Mehrgarh, approximately 6000 BC. The two greatest cities, Mohenjo-daro and Harappa, emerged circa 2600 BC The termination of the Harappan tradition at Harappa falls between 1900 and 1500 BCE
I find it very unlikely that Harappa which was occupied all the way up to the flood date was also occupied immediately afterwards by people using the same symbolism and language and architecture which were completely unknown to Noahs family.

the same can of course be said for China which was in the neolithic all the way through the flood date, which carries on with traditions which evolved in that era into its earliest civilisations.
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/china/timeline.html
:p
 
Why is it taking you this long to rebutt? Need more time to think? I need no time. Answers are fluid and instant, as I know what the truth is. It is now obvious to me.

Translation: "I've never been good at this 'logic' thing and I'd therefore rather simply believe in what I wish were true."

Conviction <> knowledge.
 
I did find that the history of ancient China and India is not as well documented as I thought. While artifacts testify to the ancient lineage of civilizations around the globe, only Egypt and Sumer seem to have solid documetary evidence of antedeluvian dates.

Still, there are lots of reliably dateable events from those civilizations, and even a few living trees that extend past the 2304 BC deadline, so I will be curious what Radrook uncovers by way of explanation.

Well, after scouring the net for a creationist counter-argument I'm sorry to say I found none. Perhaps the other two fellows who seem to take a literal view of the flood event might have more success.
 
Thought for the day: Noah was 600 years old at the time of the flood. He lived 950 years. Abraham was born 335 years after the flood.

Noah would have still been alive.

You never see pictures in "Bible Stories for Children" of Noah visiting his great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, granchildren.
 
Thought for the day: Noah was 600 years old at the time of the flood. He lived 950 years. Abraham was born 335 years after the flood.

Noah would have still been alive.

You never see pictures in "Bible Stories for Children" of Noah visiting his great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, granchildren.
They probably didn't invite him over a lot because Noah had a tendency to get drunk and lie around naked, embarassing the kids.

Sounds a lot like my dad.
 
They probably didn't invite him over a lot because Noah had a tendency to get drunk and lie around naked, embarassing the kids.

Sounds a lot like my dad.

Some say that the change in atmospheric conditions might have caused him to miscalculate in the fermentation area.
 
Wooden boats that can sustain hundreds of thousands of different kinds of animals.
900 year old men.
Water levels that would rise to above the highest mountains.
Above mentioned animals that survive in an ecosystem that has been almost completely denuded of life, not to mention what it would be like to have to journey back their homes.

Come on, if you really believe this stuff, I mean really believe it, not just pay lip service to it because you'r cult leader says so, then you are without a doubt, insane.
 
It is very difficult for me to understand how an adult can believe in fairy tales, particularly if they were not indoctrinated as children. I just happened to find this video that shows a field trip to a museum by a group of home schooled children and their fundamentalist guardians. It is almost too much to bear, seeing those curious faces being fed propaganda that will poison their lives for years. I know people like this. This is just mass insanity.


 
It is very difficult for me to understand how an adult can believe in fairy tales, particularly if they were not indoctrinated as children. I just happened to find this video that shows a field trip to a museum by a group of home schooled children and their fundamentalist guardians. It is almost too much to bear, seeing those curious faces being fed propaganda that will poison their lives for years. I know people like this. This is just mass insanity.


Oh what's the harm?
 
Wooden boats that can sustain hundreds of thousands of different kinds of animals.
900 year old men.
Water levels that would rise to above the highest mountains.
Above mentioned animals that survive in an ecosystem that has been almost completely denuded of life, not to mention what it would be like to have to journey back their homes.

Come on, if you really believe this stuff, I mean really believe it, not just pay lip service to it because you'r cult leader says so, then you are without a doubt, insane.
Hey-Mt Everest is covered with liquid water, isn't it?

Oops. Damn-foiled again!
 
Oh what's the harm?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ssacre-rewrites-american-history-1929320.html

As long as they are small powerless cults...not much harm to me, just to the kids. In positions of power, lots.

I'm pretty sure you're kidding...I hope anyway.:)

To the rest of America, the board's colourful right-wingery ought to be nothing more than a colourful sideshow. But the economics of the education industry mean otherwise: Texas is the biggest market for new teaching materials in the country, with 4.7 million schoolchildren, meaning that its curriculum influences the contents of textbooks nationwide.
 
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Imagine if, prior to the cataclysmic changes of the earth and environment of the Flood,
the atmosphere was much more of a heavy vapor canopy, of a greater pressure and shielded much more of the uv rays.
Earth could have essentially been a big hyperbaric chamber.
Climate could be generally consistent and uniform globally.
Large, thick vegetation could have grown at the poles.
Plants and animals could have gotten significantly larger.
Life expectancies could have been much longer.
A lot of things could have been seriously different.
 
Imagine if, prior to the cataclysmic changes of the earth and environment of the Flood,
the atmosphere was much more of a heavy vapor canopy, of a greater pressure and shielded much more of the uv rays.
Earth could have essentially been a big hyperbaric chamber.
Climate could be generally consistent and uniform globally.
Large, thick vegetation could have grown at the poles.
Plants and animals could have gotten significantly larger.
Life expectancies could have been much longer.
A lot of things could have been seriously different.

Are there porcine aviators in this world too?
Seriously, what has this got to do with the ark
Oh, and you never did say: do you think the bible is literally true?
 
Oh, and you never did say: do you think the bible is literally true?

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
"

..does not mean Jesus has feathers.

Some is literal. Some is figurative. Some is allegory. Some is metaphor.

Great question... 20 times... are you happy now?

Of course not.
 
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