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Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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43degreesNorth said:
If the prints were from residue blood & water, would the residue have to be atleast the side of her foot inorder to make footprints that clear? That is a pretty large pool of wateryblood mix, hard to miss?
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Massei reckoned they were made by someone who'd cleaned their feet, but still had traces of blood and water on the soles (i.e. with damp feet). So not in a pool of blood/water as such. I can't see how they'd be able to differentiate prints made that way from prints made by stepping in the blood/water mix on the bathmat.
 
Fulcanelli said:
So..she exited the shower...saw all the blood on the mat and then promptly put her feet on it and used it to dry her feet and then waddle off on it? Nobody would do that.

Sheesh, does that girl lie.
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What I find odd is that her motivation for doing the bathmat boogie in the first place is, apparently, to keep from dripping ---from hair and body--- onto the floor of the bathroom, the hallway, and then her bedroom. Okay, so she has boogied to her bedroom, found her towel, and has dried off. But then she turns around and does the same awkward boogie back to the bathroom? But the original motive for the boogie has vanished. And she can't be reluctant to walk barefoot, since this whole procedure began in her bedroom where she disrobed and walked barefoot to the bathroom.

"I used the mat to kind of hop over to
my room and into my room, I took my towel, and I used the mat to get back
to the bathroom because I thought well, by now...."



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christianahannah said:
The corridor tile could have been slightly damp from the wet bath mat sliding against the tile.

It is not the dampness of the tile which causes concern mostly, it is the pooling of water on the tile which does.
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Why would it be damp? There possibly might be the odd drip on the floor, the but the surface isn't going to be covered in a 'layer' of water. And note, the lack of luminol prints heading to the shower, which is where she'd have been heading if she was returning the mat..
 
katy_did said:
I think Amanda's lawyer also hinted that they could have been made through the bathmat, though I'm not sure how plausible that is. It would, I suppose, explain why the prints in the corridor are distorted (in comparison to the one Rinaldi analyzed in her room, which was very clear).
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A print distorted through the mat - that is interesting. The mat would work somewhat like a sock on the foot. I wonder what a sock print would look like?
 
katy_did said:
Or I suppose I could just write to Raffaele's grandmother and ask her to look into it (or whichever sundry female relative it was that corrected the last glaring error from Rinaldi). By the way, I take it that you're not intending to defend your claim that the "prints assigned to Raffaele and Amanda are completely different to each other, in size, shape and characteristics"? Fair enough.

As to the defence not trying to argue the prints were all Amanda's, well, of course they didn't. It would have been a highly risky strategy (at least at the time). On the one hand they would have to do half the prosecution's work for them, and claim all the prints were Amanda's. Then they would have had to hope like hell the jury accepted their innocent explanation for how they were made, and rejected the prosecution's claim that these were bloody footprints that were 'cleaned up'. The onus was on the prosecution to prove those things (the identity of the prints, the material they were made in, and that they were part of a clean-up), not on the defence to disprove them; hence, they didn't take the risk of arguing the prints were all Amanda's.

The situation may be different now, though, since Massei rejected the prosecution's theory that the prints were cleaned up. If the prints were made in a 'residue' of blood and water, there is no reason they can't have been made by Amanda stepping on the bathmat that morning. I'm curious as to whether the defence will change their approach to the luminol prints now. Massei certainly seems to be giving them every encouragement to do so.
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I tell you what, you write to granny then.


No, I can't be bothered. I see it as pointless to argue an assertion being made by a non-expert random poster on a message board which is not even being supported by Raffaele's, Amanda's or Meredith's defence teams (nor the prosecution, nor Judge Massei). Therefore, I see no purpose in indulging one big red herring.

There's every reason why it can't of been made by Amanda stepping on the bath mat.
 
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What I find odd is that her motivation for doing the bathmat boogie in the first place is, apparently, to keep from dripping ---from hair and body--- onto the floor of the bathroom, the hallway, and then her bedroom. Okay, so she has boogied to her bedroom, found her towel, and has dried off. But then she turns around and does the same awkward boogie back to the bathroom? But the original motive for the boogie has vanished. And she can't be reluctant to walk barefoot, since this whole procedure began in her bedroom where she disrobed and walked barefoot to the bathroom.

"I used the mat to kind of hop over to
my room and into my room, I took my towel, and I used the mat to get back
to the bathroom because I thought well, by now...."



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Well, none of this bath mat story is credible. Not on any level.
 
Fulcanelli said:
So..she exited the shower...saw all the blood on the mat and then promptly put her feet on it and used it to dry her feet and then waddle off on it? Nobody would do that.

Sheesh, does that girl lie.
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But you must admit it is such a weird story to make up without a reason to deflect from evidence pointing to her. How does it help to mention a bathroom mat? It doesn't explain away any of the evidence pointing to her? I know she used the menstrual blood thing, 'ew' in her words, to explain away not being overly worried about blood, but this is all too much information for the normal hearer. I do agree, if this was a 'ew' moment she really wouldn't have stuck her feet on it. She knew what it was and I actually think the shower and shuffle probably never happened at all. The shuffle may be something she did historically and just an embellished story she made from drawing on the past.
 
christianahannah said:
A print distorted through the mat - that is interesting. The mat would work somewhat like a sock on the foot. I wonder what a sock print would look like?
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Yeah, it definitely seems to be something that Bongiorno was hinting at during Amanda's testimony, emphasizing that she was pressing down on the mat with her foot. And it would make sense of the very blurred, distorted shape of the footprints in the corridor, in contrast to the much clearer footprint in AK's room.

GB: Do you remember how you slid with the bathmat? When you took it from the
bathroom to your room, did you have both bare feet on it or just one foot.

AK: Sometimes I...heh heh...by mistake, I put my foot on the floor like this,
but I tried -- I slid along trying to kind of make little jumps with the
bathmat, but I didn't quite succeed.

GB: But it can be said that you were pressing on the bathmat with your foot?

AK: Yes.
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Fulcanelli said:
Why would it be damp? There possibly might be the odd drip on the floor, the but the surface isn't going to be covered in a 'layer' of water. And note, the lack of luminol prints heading to the shower, which is where she'd have been heading if she was returning the mat..
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If she had put shoes on before returning the mat would the shoe prints show up?
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
Well then, thats makes sense if they all came from the blood she stepped in on the mat going to her bedroom, I believe they also said it was a mixture od blood and water too.
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Yes, but she was on the mat, not walking on the floor, you need to walk on the floor, with wet feet, to leave luminol prints on it. Neither does it explain how blood, that was on only a small area of the mat coated the whole sole of her foot, from heel to toe, from instep to instep.

And it does not account for Raffaele's luminol print.
 
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43degreesNorth said:
But you must admit it is such a weird story to make up without a reason to deflect from evidence pointing to her. How does it help to mention a bathroom mat? It doesn't explain away any of the evidence pointing to her? I know she used the menstrual blood thing, 'ew' in her words, to explain away not being overly worried about blood, but this is all too much information for the normal hearer. I do agree, if this was a 'ew' moment she really wouldn't have stuck her feet on it. She knew what it was and I actually think the shower and shuffle probably never happened at all. The shuffle may be something she did historically and just an embellished story she made from drawing on the past.
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I have a few ideas of maybe 'why' she made up the story, but they're rather tentative.
 
Fulcanelli said:
No, since there would have been no blood on the soles of the shoes. And shoes of course would further rule out her walking on the floor in bare feet.
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Are you saying that putting on shoes after she had dried off and dressed would have affected the bare feet images (placed there by walking from shower to bedroom)?
 
Fulcanelli said:
Yes, but she was on the mat, not walking on the floor, you need to walk on the floor, with wet feet, to leave luminol prints on it. Neither does it explain how blood, that was on only a small area of the mat coated the whole sole of her foot, from heel to toe, from instep to instep.

And it does not account for Raffaele's luminol print.
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Your right, it doesn't explain the heal part of the print, so I'm curious, how do you think the prints on the mat and hallway got there?
 
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